Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 21

February 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 21, 2019.

Park Street, Cambridge
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Park Street, Cambridge → Jesus Lane (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Park_Street,_Cambridge&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect target is an article on a different street that happens to intersect Park Street, but the article doesn't mention that fact at all (nor should it). Redirecting to the Cambridge article wouldn't be helpful. Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 21:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep – I added mention of the street and the ADC Theatre there under Jesus Lane. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: even a complete lack of a mention isn't a reason to delete a redirect. It isn't misleading, spam, abusive, highly unlikely, or any of the other standard reasons to get rid.  Now that the redirect target mentions it, it is a nailed-on keep.  Lithopsian (talk) 21:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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ATTINGAL PARVATHIPURAM GRAMOM - SREE MAHA GANAPATHY TEMPLE
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * ATTINGAL PARVATHIPURAM GRAMOM - SREE MAHA GANAPATHY TEMPLE → Sree Maha Ganapathy Temple (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ATTINGAL_PARVATHIPURAM_GRAMOM_-_SREE_MAHA_GANAPATHY_TEMPLE&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RCAPS UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely capitalization -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Cogency
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Cogency → Logical reasoning (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cogency&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in given target article. Hildeoc (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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THE TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . DELETE ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 02:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * THE TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY → Tyranny of the majority (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=THE_TYRANNY_OF_THE_MAJORITY&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RCAPS, this subject has no affinity with all caps. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * DELETE PER ABOVE AND FOR WP:SHOUTING. Narky Blert (talk) 11:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Flow arts
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 02:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Flow arts → Category:Physical activity and dexterity toys (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flow_arts&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete no indication of how this redirect relates to its cross-namespace target. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I made the redirect, have been involved in "flow arts" since before 'flow' was a common term. In those days, 'Dexterity Play' was a common term for playing with toys that require or build dexterity, and the articles in the category are articles involving 'toys' and 'props' used for dexterity play AKA flow arts. If we had an article on flow arts, then we would not need a redirect, we would refer to the category in the article. right now it may be nearly impossible to have an NPOV article on flow arts. Try it and see. User:Pedant (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I would have no problem with retargeting to List of skill toys, which is the target for the dexterity play redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * would be awesome if someone made sure the list has all the toys/props/tools/gear/arts included in the category from which the redirect was made. Otherwise I think this one is solved/done and ready to archive the discussion. Thanks to anyone involved! User:Pedant (talk) 01:30, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That is separate maintenance that is unrelated to the redirect discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete. From my understanding, List of skill toys is not going to be what someone searching "flow arts" expects to find. Properly a red link. --Bsherr (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC) Delete Per nominator; makes no sense. --Geolodus (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I have to agree with what has already been said here. A loose necktie (talk) 04:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Robert de La Salle
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 02:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Robert de La Salle → René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_de_La_Salle&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

blanked this redirect saying "no citation can be found to support this - it is not his name". I haven't researched this and I myself have no opinion - this is a procedural nomination. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 20:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * This redirect page mixes part of a name and part of a title, of which there are numerous variants. This page name used to be an alternate title of the article itself, and challenged [citation required]. I cannot find a scholarly citation that states his name thus, so I deleted the errant name. Robert La Salle for example, was another person, a prominent resident of New Orleans in the 1800's but not notable enough to have a wiki article. Is that the same name as Robert de La Salle? I'd say it is, and that it's just another wayward misspelling. The page name is not the name of anyone and shouldn't point, well, anywhere. Sbalfour (talk) 21:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep, whether it is incorrect or not it is used in various sources (e.g., , , , etc) so it's very likely people will use this search term when looking for the Wikipedia article about him. What matters for redirects is that they are useful search terms, not necessarily correct (see Category:Redirects from incorrect names), correcting misconceptions, etc is the job of the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 13:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf's identification of sources that use the form. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thyrduulf. It doesn't matter if the name is correct or incorrect, readers could be searching for this name, and the primary objective is to point them to the right place. Any confusion can be cleared up in the article. Narky Blert (talk) 09:40, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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Ica/ica-refactor
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ica/ica-refactor">Ica/ica-refactor → ICA (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ica/ica-refactor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Temporary title left over from move. I have several similar cases. Would it be helpful for me to continue listing these singly, together or not at all; or do they qualify for a speedy G6? Certes (talk) 16:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as housekeeping. I would G6 pages like this as 'unambiguously created in error'. Narky Blert (talk) 12:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as housekeeping -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Temperance/redirs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Temperance/redirs">Temperance/redirs → Temperance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temperance/redirs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Temporary page left over from round robin move. Certes (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as housekeeping. (The one time I left a page behind like that, I spotted it and embarrassedly WP:G7ed myself.) Narky Blert (talk) 12:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * delete as housekeeping -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Havoc/disambiguation2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Havoc/disambiguation2">Havoc/disambiguation2 → Havoc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Havoc/disambiguation2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a helpful search term. Non-musical forms of havoc are available. Certes (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as housekeeping. Narky Blert (talk) 12:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Swinging/Archive 1
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Swinging/Archive 1">Swinging/Archive 1 → Swing (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swinging/Archive_1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a search term for target. Talk:Swinging/Archive 1 has significant content and should be kept, but the mainspace redirect can go. Certes (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per Certes, not a valid search term. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 16:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Czechs/First Archive
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Czechs/First Archive">Czechs/First Archive → Czech (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Czechs/First_Archive&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Title not relevant to target. No significant history or talk page. Certes (talk) 15:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - not a relevant search target. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 16:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing. Looks like someone wanted to make a talk archive for the page. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:52, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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History.com/games.do
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="History.com/games.do">History.com/games.do → History (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History.com/games.do&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Closed online games page not covered on Wikipedia Certes (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing at best since we don't cover the game and it no longer active in the first place -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Henry VI or Henry VII
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:40, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Henry VI or Henry VII → Henri, Count of Paris (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_VI_or_Henry_VII&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful "either/or" redirect, where the reader could more easily look up the option they seek. Makes other Henrys harder to find. See also WP:XY. Certes (talk) 15:15, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and as an unrealistic search term (unlike e.g. James VI and I, which is a good article title). Narky Blert (talk) 12:06, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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List of First Ladies and Gentlemen of Brazil
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 March 1%23List of First Ladies and Gentlemen of Brazil

Glory God and gold
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . This has been here for three and a half weeks, and I don't think we've reached a good consensus.  The keeps have stronger arguments, although I don't find them to be particularly strong arguments for the current target, just not to delete them.  A potential retarget candidate makes a good point (and is perhaps the reason why this is a no consensus keep rather than leaning keep) but has been untouched for over two weeks.  We could relist this, but I don't think we're getting anywhere beyond the status quo. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 02:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Glory God and gold → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glory_God_and_gold&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Glory, God and Gold">Glory, God and Gold → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glory,_God_and_Gold&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * God glory and gold → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God_glory_and_gold&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * God gold and glory → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God_gold_and_glory&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="God, Glory and Gold">God, Glory and Gold → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God,_Glory_and_Gold&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="God, Glory, Gold">God, Glory, Gold → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God,_Glory,_Gold&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="God, gold and glory">God, gold and glory → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God,_gold_and_glory&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Gold, God and glory">Gold, God and glory → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gold,_God_and_glory&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The 3 G's → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_3_G%27s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The 3 Gs → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_3_Gs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Three G's → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Three_G%27s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The three G's → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_three_G%27s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Three Gs → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Three_Gs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The three Gs → Imperialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_three_Gs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither God, gold, glory (in any order) nor the three G's appear in the target article, which may be confusing for someone looking for specific information about either of these phrases. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. These redirects might cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:32, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep unless there are competing uses. It's anecdotally ascribed to various sources that early European seafarers sought new oceanic trade routes to Asia and Africa ("gold") at a time when all of the major overland routes were controlled by Muslims ("god"), and of course for their own achievement ("glory"). I'm having trouble finding a reliable source for this but see this (which might be someone's homework). The search for new routes to Asia led Columbus to crash in the west Indies, which has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. (Perhaps European colonization of the Americas would be a better target) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Confusion not a common description or alternate name OrlandoCityFan (talk) 20:38, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Funny, this makes me think of "The Virginia Company" from Pocahontas (n.b., the phrase isn't used at Virginia Company or London Company). I understand the current targeting, though also how they could be confusing for readers. Glory, God and Gold is apparently a book by Paul Wellman, though that seems like it would be a huge WP:SURPRISE. --BDD (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, (at least for those that are spelled out); a Google Books search brings up multiple relevant results: . It seems a common enough phrase summing up the motivations for imperialism. Huon (talk) 14:25, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Age of Exploration. Most searches point to a number of school presentations for that part of the exploration (European settlements in the Americas), although the imperialism article discuses early imperialism 15-19th century. Here's encyclopedia.com  and National Humanities Center website    AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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LLoyd Bridges
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . So, this is delete, but only because all the non-delete ones were struck a week ago.  I initially was going to relist this, despite seeing consensus, and got so far as to write the following:

This is probably overly-pedantic, and I apologize for that, but the items "officially" nominated here have changed a few times over the course of this discussion. While there does appear to be a consensus about what to do (as evidenced by the nominator's strikes)

In the end, there's a consensus here about what to do — had the nominator not struck all the LL titles, my close of that would have resulted in the same outcome as this close — so I felt it improper to relist this in the face of a consensus for action. ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 02:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * LLoyd Bridges → Lloyd Bridges (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLoyd_Bridges&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLywarch Hen → Llywarch Hen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLywarch_Hen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLyron → List of Marvel Comics characters: L (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLyron&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLoyd R. Woodson → Lloyd R. Woodson (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLoyd_R._Woodson&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLoyd N. Trefethen → Lloyd N. Trefethen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLoyd_N._Trefethen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLoyd George → David Lloyd George (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLoyd_George&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLoyd Bitzer → Lloyd Bitzer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLoyd_Bitzer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="LLifén">LLifén → Llifén (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLif%C3%A9n&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LLandaff Oratory → Llandaff Oratory (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LLandaff_Oratory&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="LIght Year (Isakov song)">LIght Year (Isakov song) → Gregory Alan Isakov (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIght_Year_(Isakov_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIght-emitting diode physics → Light-emitting diode physics (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIght-emitting_diode_physics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIfe under Ottoman rule → Culture of the Ottoman Empire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIfe_under_Ottoman_rule&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="LIberty (sternwheeler)">LIberty (sternwheeler) → Liberty (sternwheeler) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIberty_(sternwheeler)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="LIbélula viblandi">LIbélula viblandi → Villamil Libélula Viblandi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIb%C3%A9lula_viblandi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIbelula viblandi → Villamil Libélula Viblandi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIbelula_viblandi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is not accurate: capitalising Viblandi is indeed correct, but Villamil is not correct: the surname of the engineer is either "Cantero" or "Cantero Villamil", according to the Spanish naming convention.

Now, it is also not clear whether adding the surname at the beginning is adequate. Which Wikipedia convention supports this change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Espigaymostaza (talk • contribs) 16:54, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * LI xianting → Li Xianting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LI_xianting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of bird species described in the 2000s → List of bird species described in the 2000s (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_bird_species_described_in_the_2000s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of the orchids of the Philippines → List of the orchids of the Philippines (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_the_orchids_of_the_Philippines&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="LIst of museums in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania">LIst of museums in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania → List of museums in Pittsburgh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_museums_in_Pittsburgh,_Pennsylvania&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of largest employers in the United States → List of largest employers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_largest_employers_in_the_United_States&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of Songs by The Darkness → List of songs recorded by the Darkness (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_Songs_by_The_Darkness&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of Schools in Kepong → List of schools in Kuala Lumpur (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_Schools_in_Kepong&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of New York City journalists → List of New Yorkers in journalism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_New_York_City_journalists&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Keep as New Yorkers in journalism or List of New Yorkers in journalism. Castncoot (talk) 21:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * LIst of LMS → List of learning management systems (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_LMS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of First Ladies and Gentlemen of Brazil → First Lady of Brazil (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_First_Ladies_and_Gentlemen_of_Brazil&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of European Formula 3 Championship drivers → List of FIA Formula 3 European Championship drivers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_European_Formula_3_Championship_drivers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of Boston Redskins seasons → List of Washington Redskins seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_Boston_Redskins_seasons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst of Battle of Normandy leaders → Invasion of Normandy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_of_Battle_of_Normandy_leaders&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * LIst Of World Heritage Sites in Nepal → List of World Heritage sites in Nepal (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIst_Of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_Nepal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

DElete STicky shift key creates typos. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * DElete. Sentence-case versions exist for all the lists except List of LMS, which would be ambiguous. Certes (talk) 13:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ...but there may be a case for keeping the ones beginning with LL as this is a single letter in Welsh, Spanish, etc. as we do with Dutch IJ in IJmuiden etc. Certes (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I intentionally left off any double Ls that had any close connection to Welsh, Catalan, etc., such as Lluís del Milà → Luis de Milán. None of the above (David Lloyd George arguable exception) have such a connection. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * rElist, it took me a moment to see the concern, so I would like more eyes on this; there is a broad array of relevant wikiprojects that need notifying and someone ought to read MOs;CAPs for the rule on this. cygnis insignis 15:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm neutral on whether to keep these, but if they are, the US employers one should be retargeted to List of largest employers in the United States. Smartyllama (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all LI's. Keep all LL's. Not only is there the single Welsh letter, but also, younger users (as happened in one of my classrooms the other day), might mistakenly capitalize both of the LL's in certain names (although in that instance, the child typed in LLoyd Bridges, and they couldn't understand why there was no article on him.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 16:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom, including the "LL" redirects. Steel1943  (talk) 16:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirects for this kind of typographical error are unnecessary. When no page is found, the error will be noticed by the user, or the search results will indicate the correct page. --Bsherr (talk) 17:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. STicky FIngers on shift keys do create typos, which is why the redirect was created back in 2012 (before the WP search engine would ignore such a typo). These days such redirects are not needed; however, they are harmless. My instinct says "keep", but not really averse to deletion.  Paine Ellsworth , ed.  put'r there  17:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep the "LL"s. At worst, keeping them is harmless. And as noted above, such typos do occur. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:33, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep all/ without prejudice to smaller nominations - there are too many different redirects with different (alleged) problems. Thryduulf (talk) 15:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep on LL. I don't know much about Welsh, but I know it has an affinity for initial double L, and perhaps it's plausible (at least) to capitalise both of them.  It's potentially a different situation from the English names beginning with LI, so we ought to be able to look at them separately.  Please withdraw the LLs, and renominate them if you disagree with the keep-the-LLs reasons given above.  The concept that no Welsh topics were nominated is incorrect; for example, our knowledge of Llywarch Hen is heavily dependent on the Bonedd Gwŷr y Gogledd, a Welsh document, and as a sixth-century Brythonic figure, he's closely connected to the Welsh even aside from the language of the earliest sources.  Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * LLs struck as requested. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 11:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Spunti e ricerche; → Spunti e ricerche (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spunti_e_ricerche;&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Semi-colon makes this an implausable redirect and of no real use. PC78 (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete this WP:COSTLY typo. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:52, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per above. --Bsherr (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 11:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Spunge (album">Spunge (album → Spunge (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spunge_(album&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Missing closing bracket makes this an implausable redirect and of no real use. PC78 (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete this WP:COSTLY typo. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete (not useful Certes (talk) 16:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the essay linked by Shhhnotsoloud. --Geolodus (talk) 18:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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