Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 28

February 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 28, 2019.

Template:Vutsemip
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:28, 8 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Template:Vutsemip → Template:pp-semi-usertalk (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Vutsemip&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused template redirect. 5+ years old. no need for it.  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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Mao Buyi
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Give Jack a Kong Dong
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  per G3. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Give Jack a Kong Dong → Jack (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Give_Jack_a_Kong_Dong&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects to the disambiguation page Jack. An Internet search has zero results. So does not seem a meaningfull search term. And no ambiguity at all. LittleWink (talk) 18:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nominator. --Geolodus (talk) 10:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Narky Blert (talk) 13:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Lux Haney-Jardine
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  per G7 by . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Lux Haney-Jardine → Perla Haney-Jardine (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lux_Haney-Jardine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target. Possibly not even the same person. Jalen D. Folf  (talk)  02:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete it. I created this years ago. Her biography was more thorough at the time and included the name of her brother, who was also an actor. Since he no longer acts in any mainstream movies, he is not notable by any standard, so I recommend the redirect’s removal.GuyHimGuy (talk) 06:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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Prime Minister of the Commonwealth
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 01:41, 9 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Prime Minister of the Commonwealth → Prime Minister of Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prime_Minister_of_the_Commonwealth&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Commonwealth Constitution → Constitution of Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commonwealth_Constitution&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Constitution of the Commonwealth → Constitution of Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Constitution_of_the_Commonwealth&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Parliament of the Commonwealth → Parliament of Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parliament_of_the_Commonwealth&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These were created by an WP:SPA trying to insert "Commonwealth" in a few Australian related topics, and also left these redirects behind. The problem is that per Commonwealth, Australia is far from the only Commonwealth that has a Parliament, Constitution, and Prime Minister, so these redirects are vague. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete a quick search reveals results about the Commonwealth of England and Prime Minister of Dominica, alongside other topics. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:48, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget Prime Minister of the Commonwealth to Head of the Commonwealth as a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep the others as Australia's constitution is overwhelmingly the primary topic for those phrases. Hatnotes can be used to point to List of national constitutions and Commonwealth of Nations (and maybe Commonwealth (disambiguation)?) on the constitution article. A hatnote would be needed on the parliament article as well to the various parliaments during the English interregnum (List of Parliaments of England is possibly the best place to target). Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That's way too many hatnotes for something this minor, and you haven't even covered all the bases. Constitution of Massachusetts, Constitution of Virginia, Kentucky Constitution, Constitution of Puerto Rico, etc. As for the Prime Minister redirect, why would you want it targeting the Queen? If anything, Commonwealth Chair-in-Office seems to make the most sense since the office is usually a prime minister (or equivalent). Even Commonwealth Secretary-General would make more sense to me. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * There wouldn't be four hatnotes on one article - there would be 2 or 3 on one, and one on another. While those other Commonwealths exists and do have constitutions, these are not search terms used to find information about them. As for the Prime Minister redirect, Head of the Commonwealth is an article that is about the position not a redirect to Elizabeth II. If you actually read my rationales and do some very basic research you'll find this is actually perfectly logical and matches what people are most likely to be looking for. At RfD we are supposed to use evidence to assist readers in finding the topics they are actually looking for, not hinder them because of our own theories and prejudices. Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Head of State vs. Head of Government. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how that relates to this discussion? Someone searching for "Prime Minister of the Commonwealth" is most probably looking for the Head of the Commonwealth so we should redirect the search term to that article. That the person who is presently the head of the Commonwealth is currently also independently head of state of some (but not all) members of the Commonwealth is not relevant to this search term. Thryduulf (talk) 02:15, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Someone searching "Prime Minister of the Commonwealth", in all honestly, is probably looking for the current target since Australia is by far the largest nation that is called a "Commonwealth". If we accept the premise that someone is looking for a role in "The Commonwealth", then the proper target would be the position in the Commonwealth that is closest to what a prime minister does. That would not be Head of the Commonwealth, because it is a "head of state" figurehead role that is filled by the current queen or king. No, we are looking for a "head of government" type position that more closely matches what a Prime Minister does. Commonwealth Chair-in-Office is usually filled by a Prime Minister or equivalent, so that would be the best target if one is to accept that premise (which I don't). -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. These terms are either vague and might cause confusion, or they impede Search, or both. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B dash (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all as misleading redirects, except retarget Prime Minister of the Commonwealth to Head of the Commonwealth. Could live with a retarget to Commonwealth of Nations for most. But Australia isn't the Commonwealth, and none of those should point to Australian anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Australia isn't the Commonwealth, but it is a commonwealth and it is the primary topic for these terms where they are the formal title. Thryduulf (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose retargetting of Prime Minister of the Commonwealth to Head of the Commonwealth. The current Head of the Commonwealth is Queen Elizabeth II, who is not Prime Minister of anywhere. It's a hereditary office. Narky Blert (talk) 13:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As I've explained just above, Head of the Commonwealth is not a hereditary office and the fact that the current holder of the position is not a prime minister does not change that people will be looking for information about that office using this title. Your argument might hold water if the redirect targeted the Queen Elizabeth II article, but nobody has suggested doing that. Thryduulf (talk) 20:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Australia isn't the only Commonwealth with a Prime Minister, a Parliament, and a Constitution. As others have commented above, there's also the Commonwealth of Dominica and the former Commonwealth of England. I'm not convinced anyone other than the creator of these redirects would search "___ of the Commonwealth" without further disambiguation expecting to find "___ of Australia". Deryck C. 15:38, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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Famous architect
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to delete  as nobody wants to keep the redirect as it is. Deryck C. 15:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Famous architect → Frank Lloyd Wright (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Famous_architect&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:XY. Much as I admire his work, he is not the only famous architect. Perhaps retarget to List of architects. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 17:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to List of architects. Many are famous.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. The redirect might cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 08:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete "famous" tends to be subjective". -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of architects per TonyTheTiger. When people search Wikipedia for "famous" in contexts like this then a list of Wikipedia-notable architects is exactly what many of them will actually be wanting. For others, all the famous architects we have articles about (for whatever definition of famous) will be included on that list. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Southern Arabs
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