Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 3

January 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 3, 2019.

List of members of the Forbes 400 (2012)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . There were some merges involved here, which normally would be a reason to keep some of these, but in this case all the content has been RD1'd, so it would actually be good to remove the history here. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 16:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * List of members of the Forbes 400 (2012) → Forbes 400 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_members_of_the_Forbes_400_(2012)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * List of members of the Forbes 400 (2010) → Forbes 400 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_members_of_the_Forbes_400_(2010)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * List of members of the Forbes 400 (2008) → Forbes 400 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_members_of_the_Forbes_400_(2008)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete there is no data from any of the specified years in the target article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete we don't keep track of proprietary lists like that. Compare to Time 100 which has external links to the lists by year if someone really wants to know the list. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Bay St.Louis Hurricane of 1819
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 16:47, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Bay St.Louis Hurricane of 1819 → 1810–19 Atlantic hurricane seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bay_St.Louis_Hurricane_of_1819&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete Strange spacing makes this an unlikely search term. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - The appropriate 'Bay St. Louis Hurricane of 1819' does exist, and that's good. This version with the typo doesn't seem worth keeping to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Elements 185+
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . I'm not overwhelmed by the arguments based on WP:BALL, as these aren't articles, but the concept is certainly a valid argument applied to redirects, if perhaps weakened.  The remaining arguments sort of cut against each other, with two editors suggesting (at least some) redirects should have their targets unified, while one participant gave a rationale for keeping those targets divergent.  This close is weakish for elements <= 218, where the keep arguments have more merit, but the creations are not a significant problem — the example of 218 was created twice in ten years (and reverted once more after that) — and any mentions are trivial mentions about number, not really about the (theoretical) element.


 * With luck proper funding, hopefully we'll have to recreate some of these! ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 18:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Element 185 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_185&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Unoctpentium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unoctpentium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 186 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_186&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unocthexium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unocthexium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 187 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_187&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unoctseptium → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unoctseptium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 188 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_188&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unoctoctium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unoctoctium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 189 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_189&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unoctennium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unoctennium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 190 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_190&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennilium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennilium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 191 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_191&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennunium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennunium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 192 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_192&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennbium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennbium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 193 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_193&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unenntrium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unenntrium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 194 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_194&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennquadium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennquadium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 195 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_195&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennpentium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennpentium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 196 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_196&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennhexium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennhexium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 197 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_197&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennseptium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennseptium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 198 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_198&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennoctium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennoctium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 199 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_199&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unennennium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unennennium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 200 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_200&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilnilium → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilnilium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 201 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_201&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilunium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilunium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 202 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_202&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilbium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilbium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 203 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_203&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biniltrium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biniltrium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 204 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_204&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilquadium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilquadium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 205 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_205&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilpentium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilpentium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 206 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_206&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilhexium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilhexium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 207 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_207&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilseptium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilseptium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 208 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_208&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biniloctium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biniloctium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 209 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_209&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Binilennium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binilennium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 210 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_210&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunnilium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunnilium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 211 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_211&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biununium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biununium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 212 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_212&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunbium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunbium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 213 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_213&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biuntrium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biuntrium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 214 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_214&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunquadium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunquadium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 215 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_215&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunpentium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunpentium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 216 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_216&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunhexium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunhexium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 217 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_217&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunseptium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunseptium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 218 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_218&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunoctium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunoctium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 219 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_219&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Biunennium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biunennium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 220 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_220&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibinilium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibinilium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 221 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_221&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibiunium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibiunium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 222 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_222&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibibium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibibium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 223 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_223&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibitrium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibitrium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 224 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_224&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibiquadium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibiquadium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 225 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_225&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibipentium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibipentium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 226 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_226&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibihexium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibihexium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 227 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_227&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibiseptium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibiseptium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 228 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_228&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibioctium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibioctium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 229 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_229&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bibiennium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibiennium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 230 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_230&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bitrinilium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bitrinilium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 231 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_231&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bitriunium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bitriunium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Element 232 → Extended periodic table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_232&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bitribium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bitribium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bitritrium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bitritrium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bitriquadium → Systematic element name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bitriquadium&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Discussion (Elements 185+)
The largest hypothetical element with a non-trivial mention at Extended periodic table looks to be Element 184/Unoctquadium. There are a couple more trivial mentions of higher elements later on in the article, such as the 2p1/2 shell is expected to join around element 185 and the 2s shell around element 245. However, after 184 there is a diverge in targets that I think should be fixed along with figuring out what should be the "upper-limit" for redirects of this nature. Any redirects that are kept should be retargeted to Extended periodic table. That being said, I think it may be better to delete this lot due to the lack of any significant discussion of any of these elements. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. I quote WP:BALL — Individual items from a predetermined list or a systematic pattern of names, pre-assigned to future events or discoveries, are not suitable article topics, if only generic information is known about the item. Lists of tropical cyclone names is encyclopedic; "" is not, even though it is virtually certain that such a storm will occur. Similarly, articles about words formed on a predictable numeric system (such as "septenquinquagintillion") are not encyclopedic unless they are defined on good authority, or genuinely in use. Certain scientific extrapolations are considered to be encyclopedic, such as chemical elements documented by IUPAC before isolation in the laboratory, provided that scientists have made significant non-trivial predictions of their properties.  Even with ununennium through unbibium, there's a lot we don't know because they would have a totally new electron shell; we can say some about them (otherwise we wouldn't have WP:GAs on all four of them), but Category:Hypothetical chemical elements makes it seem to me that not a lot has been said about higher-numbered elements (otherwise they would probably have articles by now).  In this case, I don't think we ought to make it seem as if we have articles about higher-numbered elements: a red link will encourage the creation of an article should the situation warrant it, while a blue link will make it seem as if an article already exists.  Red links sometimes aren't a huge deal of encouragement with minimally notable topics, e.g. the historic sites I typically work with (they pass WP:N, but they're obscure, and only a few people write about them), but lots of people will be writing about an element should it get enough hypothetical coverage to warrant an article.  Nyttend (talk) 04:42, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but ensure redirects are consistent per Tavix:
 * Arguments about article notability do not apply to redirects.
 * If "lots of people would write about" a subject, then we neede't worry about any inhibitory effect blue links might have.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:36, 27 December 2018 (UTC).

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Could use more discussion
 * Retarget to extended periodic table up to element 210 (biunnilium) as there are non-trivial mentions of a few elements in this range in WP:RS, and delete all those thereafter per WP:BALL, as Aufbau (justifying up to 218) is almost certainly incorrect and there is no need to go up to 245, 274, or 999 when there is no clear stopping point and there are many consecutive elements without any useful mention. ComplexRational (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all. The targets cannot be essentially a search dump for these terms. If they aren’t mentioned and do not exist, they are WP:CRYSTAL. Steel1943  (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 19:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: The redirects within the cot were untagged; I've now tagged them. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 19:44, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all - As stated above, there's no clear stopping point, and the application of WP:BALL seems pretty clear here. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment As the creator of these redirects, I would like to comment that part of my rationale for creating them was in fact to discourage the creation of new articles about these elements. There have been quite a few sites giving Aufbau-based extrapolations of the periodic table to extremely high-numbered elements, one of the more detailed being Apsidium that went to 232 last I remembered (hence the upper limit), and this is a topic that tends to attract "periodic table fans" who don't know better that these aren't reliable sources. The end result is that articles end up getting created (link is to element 218, the end of period 9 according to extrapolated Aufbau) with non-notable extrapolations that are not only unlikely to be right but also have no possible support from reliable sources. These elements would certainly be notable if serious predictions from such sources popped up, or indeed if they were synthesised, but we are really far away from that happening: it took us almost 70 years just to finish off the seventh row with 26 new elements (neptunium through oganesson), and since we would need another 66 to get to element 184, I doubt any one of us discussing this now will live to see element 185 become a notable topic. So if we do decide to delete the redirects, I would suggest protecting the names up to a certain amount (218 would do) to discourage the creation of non-notable articles.
 * My logic in having the targets diverge past 184 was that if someone is searching for element 168, say, there is a lot of information about it available at Extended periodic table, and this is the right target whether the searcher types "element 168" or "unhexoctium". But if one is searching for element 218, there isn't any information anywhere (not everything is known). So I thought that if one was searching "biunoctium", you might want systematic element name to see how such names are constructed, but for "element 218" the only reasonable target is a discussion of how far the table can go, i.e. Extended periodic table, because it's not a IUPAC systematic name. So I was thinking about a possible difference between wanting information about the hypothetical element and the temporary name for it that could be encoded in the search term. If the redirects are to be kept, I would prefer them to be harmonised according to the targets of "element X", as searching "element 218" should not lead you to systematic element name. Double sharp (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

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<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Next FIFA World Cup → 2018 FIFA World Cup (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_FIFA_World_Cup&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a WP:COSTLY redirect due to the maintenance burden. The 2022 World Cup is now next, and has been for several months now, but the redirect has still not been updated. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, also seems like an unlikely search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:12, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. This isn't worth keeping. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. |2018_FIFA_World_Cup|2022_FIFA_World_Cup|2026_FIFA_World_Cup A brief comparison of the last WC and the next 2 WCs does not provide clear evidence either. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  07:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  07:17, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Fix the targeting and then Keep. This is a common search term, the maintenance burden is light, and this is consistent with redirects to future events that we already have: Next Danish election, Next Finnish parliamentary election, many, many others. UnitedStatesian (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GiantSnowman 11:17, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Namelessness
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Namelessness → Anonymity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Namelessness&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is misleading. To be anonymous is not to be "nameless", but rather being anonymous is to have a name but not reveal it, or in extreme cases, not have a name but not reveal that there is no name. Either way, the redirect is not exclusive with its target, and has the potential to mislead readers. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep the lead paragraph of the article discusses the differences between namelessness and anonymity. As there doesn't appear to be an article dedicated to the concept this is the best place to target the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 18:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: Although being anonymous and nameless are not the same it seems plausible "namelessness" would most likely refer to "Anonymity" when most reader's search this; also per Thryduulf's points. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:15, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as referenced in the text as its derivation. If there was a template for R from derivation or R to derivation (not sure which), it would've been useful here. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  07:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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MLive.com
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2022 Games
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:13, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * 2022 Games → 2022 Winter Olympics (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_Games&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Winter Olympics are not known simply as "Games". As a descriptor, this can be seen as vague because there are several other games that take place in 2022 (eg: 2022 Commonwealth Games, 2022 Asian Games). -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:29, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, especially since we do not have 2014 Games or 2018 Games. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:15, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY - could mean 2022 Winter Olympics, 2022 Asian Games, 2022 Commonwealth Games (as above), or even 2022 video games (nonexistent but we have 2019 video games) or 2022 FIFA World Cup. This is also probably too vague a search term to warrant disambiguation. ComplexRational (talk) 21:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe retarget to 2022 in sports? It contains a list of sports events that would occur that year. feminist (talk) 05:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
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List of Dragon Ball Z/GT dubbed episodes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="List of Dragon Ball Z/GT dubbed episodes">List of Dragon Ball Z/GT dubbed episodes → List of Dragon Ball Z episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Dragon_Ball_Z/GT_dubbed_episodes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:XY per List of Dragon Ball GT episodes. Steel1943 (talk) 08:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The series don't have a combined list of episodes. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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States by population
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of states by population. Participants are split, but I find the retarget rationales quite convincing, especially in light of the delete !voter's emphasis on the importance of the word "states." ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:17, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * States by population → List of countries and dependencies by population (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=States_by_population&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is not about states. Steel1943 (talk) 07:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete There is a List of states and territories of the United States by population, but a historical list for said subject also exists. Thus, WP:XY applies. Furthermore, the US is not the only country with administrative subdivisions called "states", even though no similar population lists exist for such countries. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 14:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of states by population. It's a dab, but any other state lists by population can be added. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix. Nobody using this search term will be surprised to end up there, and it should contain every relevant list we have - if it doesn't then (a) they can be added and (b) this is not a problem with the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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Population 2006
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Population 2006 → List of countries and dependencies by population (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Population_2006&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No 2006 data in target. Also, "Population" is not exclusive to countries and dependencies; it could also refer to cities, states, and other uses of "population". Steel1943 (talk) 07:46, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Originally inteded to be a data colletion of each nations population for the year 2006 specifically. If you look through my editing history on the page, you can se it contained data. Same goes for any other article about population for a specific year. If the same data is found elsewhere they redirect is fine by me :) --Mattfolk (talk) 09:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment It was redirected in May 2006 by as "unsourced, orphaned, [and] redundant". Jiang further remarked that "not all the figures [we]re 2006 est[imates] anyways". Personally, I believe that a list of this type would be indiscriminate, so delete. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d  c&#x0304; ) 14:11, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of towns and cities with 100,000 or more inhabitants; this page and at least one of its subpages sources United Nations estimates from 2006. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  17:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That option would be unhelpful because the concept of "population" is not exclusive to towns and cities. Steel1943  (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. This is longstanding, but I don't see any relevant pages that this fits.  Data "as of" isn't enough, 2006 should be covered, as with 2005 below. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 14:57, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Most populated
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Most populated → List of countries and dependencies by population (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Most_populated&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This phrase is not exclusive to its target. It could also refer to cities, states, providences, etc. Steel1943  (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - A wide variety of other things can be described as heavily 'populated' and brag about certain figures: video game servers, amusement parks, trendy restaurants, and so on. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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List of countries by population (2005)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of countries by population in 2005. Good find, Deryck! -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="List of countries by population (2005)">List of countries by population (2005) → List of countries and dependencies by population (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_population_(2005)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No 2005 statistics at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 07:41, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep if there are no 2005 statistics, then the best place to send a reader is to the page with the statistics in general --DannyS712 (talk) 03:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. In the unlikely event someone searches for this, the last thing we should be doing is directing them to an article that doesn't even contain what they are looking for. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 11:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget List of countries by population in 2005. Is this a better target? Deryck C. 13:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That's the redirect in question, no? Did you mean to post a different link? ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 13:45, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I've corrected the link above. Deryck C. 14:45, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'd support retargeting there. I guess I'm surprised we have it, but it is perfect! ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 14:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Other Criteria Books
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn , now that the redirect has been mentioned in the target article.  Steel1943  (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Other Criteria Books → Damien Hirst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Other_Criteria_Books&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 07:38, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 14:07, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Added mention of Other Criteria Books to the article.--Shortride (talk) 01:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: I’m okay with this now being withdrawn. Is that okay, Rubbish computer? Steel1943  (talk) 18:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Absolutely . Cheers, Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Desexualization
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Afusat Saliu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The consensus is that this is an extension of the 2014 AFD. A few years have passed and no content from the article at this title is preserved in the current version of femal genital mutilation, so it should be appropriate to delete this redirect and the article history at this title. Deryck C. 13:15, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Afusat Saliu → Female genital mutilation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Afusat_Saliu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Articles for deletion/Afusat Saliu, the result was to merge the article into this redirect’s current target. However, at the present time, the subject of this redirect is not mentioned in the target article. In addition, it seems that the subject of this article was the mother of children attemption to escape the subject of thebtatget article, and thus probably fails WP:ONEEVENT as even a mention. Steel1943 (talk) 07:24, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  07:24, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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Other Practices of FGC
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:25, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Other Practices of FGC → Female genital mutilation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Other_Practices_of_FGC&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target article is unclear on what "other" refers to. Steel1943 (talk) 07:19, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 10:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - "Other" than what? Deletion is totally the right call here. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: The "Other" refers to the previous content, which appears(?) to be an attempt to write an article on supposed non-abusive/non-mutilating reasons for FG cutting? None of that content is included in the the target, so there does not appear to be an attribution issue to deleting this. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:12, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
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500 Easy Pieces
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Deryck C. 13:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * 500 Easy Pieces → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=500_Easy_Pieces&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Per this page’s history, the subject of this redirect seems to represent a TV commercial for Butterfinger, but it’s not mentioned there either. Steel1943 (talk) 06:11, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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List of advertisements featuring The Simpsons characters
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Deryck C. 13:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * List of advertisements featuring The Simpsons characters → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_advertisements_featuring_The_Simpsons_characters&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of the Simpson characters in advertisements → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_the_Simpson_characters_in_advertisements&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of The Simpsons television advertisements → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_television_advertisements&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of The Simpsons TV ads → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_TV_ads&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of The Simpsons TV ads by product → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_TV_ads_by_product&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no such list(s) in the target article or in The Simpsons (franchise). (However, List of advertisements featuring The Simpsons characters is a R from merge from 2009, but the former content is seemingly nowhere to be found.) Steel1943  (talk) 05:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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The Circus (Simpsons TV ad)
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Deryck C. 13:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Circus (Simpsons TV ad)">The Circus (Simpsons TV ad) → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Circus_(Simpsons_TV_ad)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article or in The Simpsons (franchise). Steel1943 (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Quigibo & Quijibo
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Repeal of alcohol prohibition
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 * The result of the discussion was converted to dab  . WP:BOLDly converted this one to a disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Repeal of alcohol prohibition → Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Repeal_of_alcohol_prohibition&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Prohibition repeal is not exclusive to the United States; it has also happened in Canada. Steel1943 (talk) 04:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Direct election of Senators
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Deryck C. 13:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Direct election of Senators → Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Direct_election_of_Senators&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect could be considered ambiguous since the United States is not the only country with senators. (Also, a related redirect, Direct election of United States senators, exists.) Steel1943  (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Black voting rights
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Black suffrage. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Black voting rights → Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_voting_rights&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect is not exclusive to its target; its target is just essentially a subtopic if this redirect’s topic. This redirect’s subject seems like a candidate for WP:REDLINK. In addition, I reviewed Voting rights in the United States (a possible retargeting option), and I did not seem to find a section that details the subject enough to warrant a retargeting. That, and the redirect may be vague anyways since the United States is not the entire world. Steel1943 (talk) 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget Voting rights in the United States Black suffrage which does contain relevant information. I'm also wary of the public-relations backlash that could happen if we have a log entry that says "[Wikipedian] deleted Black voting rights". Deryck C. 13:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, USA and South Africa are the only countries where suffrage for poor people pre-dates suffrage for ethnic black people, making "black voting rights" a meaningful topic. So some kind of disambiguation or set indexing may be possible as well. Deryck C. 13:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Black suffrage While I'm theoretically fine with either the current target or 's suggestion, this seems to be most accurate and overwhelmingly the most comprehensive, even if a bit difficult to navigate. ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 13:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Deryck C. 14:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Bill of Rights Article 13
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 13:18, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Bill of Rights Article 13 → Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_of_Rights_Article_13&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is not part of the United States Bill of Rights; the aforementioned subject represented "amendments" 1–10. Steel1943 (talk) 04:03, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, obvious inaccuracy. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 14:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I just stumbled upon the section at United States Bill of Rights. It seems that the original "13th article" of the original draft of the US Bill of Rights eventually became the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution. At the present time, I’m not sure if that’s enough to retarget this redirect, given that there seems to be no precedence for similar redirects. Steel1943  (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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12th Amendment USC
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 13:18, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * 12th Amendment USC → Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=12th_Amendment_USC&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"USC" does not seem like an initialism that is used for the United States Constitution. It seems that some cases of "USC" referring to United States law refer to "United States Congress". Steel1943 (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't see where the amendment for the school is notable. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Intrastate Coal and Use Act
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to State legislation in protest of federal law in the United States. --BDD (talk) 22:20, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Intrastate Coal and Use Act → Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intrastate_Coal_and_Use_Act&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article and apparently not directly related to the target. Per third-party searches, if no alternative target exists, this redirect’s subject may be notable enough for its own article (delete per WP:REDLINK.) Steel1943  (talk) 03:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 14:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to State legislation in protest of federal law in the United States The material was split in late 2015 and moved there, where it now exists as a perfectly good target. ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:06, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
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Plead the third
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . It was a good one, though. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Plead the third → Third Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plead_the_third&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

To "plead the fifth" is notable, but when it comes to "pleading" United States constitutional amendmends, it does not seem as though the "plead the ..." has notable use for any other amendments. Steel1943 (talk) 03:43, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable concept; rdr's history indicates it was based on a webcomic joke. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:24, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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27 words
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * 27 words → Second Amendment to the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=27_words&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Yes, this amendment has 27 words, but this doesn’t seem to be an alternative name for the target. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as plausible search term: does get some use as an alternative name for the amendment. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:22, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per UnitedStatsian. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 16:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Google search also brings up a couple of mainstream media articles using the term, so appears plausible as a redirect title. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 16:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Diversity clause
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Art. II
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Article Two. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Art. II → Article Two of the United States Constitution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Art._II&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It is not clear nor guaranteed that this redirect refers to its target. I was considering retargeting this redirect to Article Two, but there’s no guarantee that all cases of the abbreviation "Art." in this case refer to "Article". Steel1943 (talk) 03:24, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 11:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Article Two as more likely (art. short for article, II = 2) --DannyS712 (talk) 03:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Article Two and add a hatnote to ART Ii Biennale, which is the only other use I can find that is not a partial title match of a sequel. Thryduulf (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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10 amendmets
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * 10 amendmets → United States Bill of Rights (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=10_amendmets&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely misspelling of "amendments". Steel1943 (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Essential liberty
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Essential liberty → United States Bill of Rights (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Essential_liberty&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, thus the connection is unclear. Due to this, there is a chance that readers will be WP:ASTONISH-ed when arriving at the target page when looking up this term. Steel1943 (talk) 03:17, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Steel, or, alternatively, weak retarget to Ben Franklin (this needs some explaining: he had a famous quote that "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." (bolding added). Ben Franklin is the top result when searching for essential liberty on google (see here) and clearly has extensive coverage relating to the quote) --DannyS712 (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Although the term is highly associated with Franklin, I'd rather us just let people use the search engine. Numerous later individuals and groups have used similar language in political arguments. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Bill.of.Rights
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Bill.of.Rights → Bill of rights (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill.of.Rights&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term due to use of periods. Steel1943 (talk) 03:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 11:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. This seems useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Bill of responsibilities
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Bill of responsibilities → Bill of rights (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_of_responsibilities&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not seem to be an alternative name for he target. This redirect once targeted Human responsibilities, which is now a redirect towards Moral responsibility. Steel1943 (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 11:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - responsibilities = things you are supposed to do (responsible for). rights = things you are able to do. There is no reason that this should redirect to bill of rights --DannyS712 (talk) 03:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Bill of Rights (disambiguation)
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Salaciousness
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Salaciousness → Obscenity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salaciousness&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

An unmentioned redirect that may have been eligible for WP:X1 if it were still active. Steel1943 (talk) 02:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Well the redirect and target are synonyms to an extent, so it's not implausible, however none of the potential topics that might use this term seem to use it as far as I can tell, meaning there is no good target. If Salacious were a soft redirect then I'd consider redirecting there, but that's also a redlink. Thryduulf (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:KILL
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Pick your criteria: WP:G3, WP:G10, WP:SNOW, perhaps even WP:G7 since the creator of the redirect just tried blanking this discussion. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:46, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * KILL → Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:KILL&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems highly insensitive to be redirecting this to a page about deceased Wikipedians. Perhaps there is a more appropriate target, but I doubt it, and think that deletion is the most appropriate course of action here. IntoThinAir (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as vandalism. Steel1943  (talk) 02:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete with fire. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:39, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, would this come under G10? Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 11:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Turpiquilum
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . I am so gonna win Scrabble tonight. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Turpiquilum → Obscenity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turpiquilum&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and I’m not finding a definition for this term in general via third-party search engines. Steel1943 (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - The term apparently exists and has been used in print (see here), but it's such an obscure piece of language that the actual meaning is unclear. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as not a dictionary. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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European race
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * European race → Caucasian race (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_race&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's no such thing as the "European race". News searches bring up various races and rallies in Europe. This term is occasionally used in literature, but mostly in fringe contexts:. FYI, the first RfD discussion is here: Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 25. Looking at the page history: the redirect's creator was blocked in 2008 for disruption in race-related articles:, and has not returned.

--K.e.coffman (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. First RfD closed with a claims of consensus for the current redirect, but this reads to me like thinly-veiled white supremacy. jps (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - The past several millennia of conflict between European groups of differing skin colors, ethnic backgrounds, tribal loyalties, etc make it rather patently ludicrous to talk about a single, well-codified 'European race' coming into existence. It gets even more insane when peculiarities such as the 'one drop rule' get applied. In the absence of reliable source commentary using this term, deletion seems like the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Are there any RS supporting this concept?Slatersteven (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete There are several European races even according to 19th Century literature: The Races of Europe (Ripley). --Pudeo (talk) 00:52, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I followed that link. Then I followed some of the links in that article. Now I am depressed. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:44, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is a fashionable misnomer (at least among a certain sort of people) redirecting to an older, less fashionable but at least notable, misnomer. If it should redirect anywhere it should redirect either to White people (as that is what people actually mean by the term although we probably don't want to endorse that) or else to Ethnic groups in Europe (a reasonable option suggested on the first RfD which was ignored). The latter would offer the best chance for anybody falling down this particular rabbit hole to actually learn something useful but I still think the best thing is to get rid of it completely. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:44, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Negligible page views, just one every other day, so unlikely search term. No links to the topic other than a redirect hatnote which I'm removing. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ethnic groups in Europe, an article that lists races of Europeans. feminist (talk) 02:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ethnic group and Race (human categorization) are two separate articles/subjects. Steel1943  (talk) 05:05, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe Demographics of Europe? feminist (talk) 05:11, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably better just to DAB it like Asian race, if there are disambiguation options for this. Steel1943  (talk) 05:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, and per my comment above. Steel1943  (talk) 05:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
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