Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 4

January 4
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 4, 2019.

Anglican Church
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 13%23Anglican Church

4TFD
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 15:25, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

The acronym most commonly associated with For the Fallen Dreams is FTFD as noted in the article and evidenced by a quick Google search. There's no sourced use of 4TFD to refer to the band. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:19, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * 4TFD → For the Fallen Dreams (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4TFD&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 4tfd → For the Fallen Dreams (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4tfd&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 *  Keep - Keep per WP:CHEAP unless there is another use for these redirects. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – There's no evidence that this is a term used by anyone. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 02:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not an official name or acronym for the target. Steel1943  (talk) 20:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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Rangerboard
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Rangerboard → Power Rangers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rangerboard&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In-universe concept not mentioned in the target article. This page was formerly an article for a month that was merged and redirected to its target in January 2006 per Articles for deletion/Rangerboard, but that content seems to no longer be at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete fan club name apparently https://www.rangerboard.com . Doesn't seem to be a fictional concept in the show itself. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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RangerTalk
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * RangerTalk → Power Rangers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RangerTalk&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rangertalk → Power Rangers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rangertalk&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Possible in-universe concept that is not mentioned in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as fan club naming. This also messes up "ranger talk" which is what is what National Parks Service calls talks given by park rangers. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Pets of Sham-Fu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Pets of Sham-Fu → Prest-O Change-O (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pets_of_Sham-Fu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not seem to be an alternative name for the target’s subject. There seems to be some sort if "Sham-fu" concept regarding the target article’s subject, but not the phrase as defined in the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete implies a list of pets that Sham-fu might have had. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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List of Bugs Bunny cartoons in alphabetical order
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * List of Bugs Bunny cartoons in alphabetical order → List of Bugs Bunny cartoons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Bugs_Bunny_cartoons_in_alphabetical_order&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such sorted list in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – No such list at the target and is otherwise an unlikely search term. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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That's all Folks!
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Porky Pig. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 09:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="That's all Folks!">That's all Folks! → Merrie Melodies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That%27s_all_Folks!&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="That's all, folks">That's all, folks → Merrie Melodies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That%27s_all,_folks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * And that's all folks → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=And_that%27s_all_folks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * That's all Folks → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That%27s_all_Folks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * That's all folks → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That%27s_all_folks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These all should target the same article. Porky Pig, maybe? Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to Porky Pig, which seems to contain the most detailed info about the phrase and its usage. Agree that at the very least all should have the same target. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:05, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Porky Pig - I was a little confused in the beginning seeing this phrase redirecting to two different articles and none of them to this character. While it was used for the closing of the shows, it is much more related to the character who spoke those words. --Gonnym (talk) 19:28, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Porky Pig as his catchphrase and also explained as a closing statement for multiple programs. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Looney Tunes logos
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Looney Tunes logos → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Looney_Tunes_logos&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such list or section in the target article. The redirect was an article for a month prior to WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT in 2006. Steel1943 (talk) 21:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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That's Looney Tunes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * That's Looney Tunes → Bugs 'n' Daffy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That%27s_Looney_Tunes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not seem like a alternative name for the target, and I’m not finding a good alternative target for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Bear (Looney Tunes)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Bear (Looney Tunes)">Bear (Looney Tunes) → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bear_(Looney_Tunes)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article or List of Looney Tunes characters. Inn addition, the subject of this redirect seems to be a different subject than the one at The Three Bears (Looney Tunes). Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Looney Tunes CDs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Looney Tunes CDs → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Looney_Tunes_CDs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There does not seem to be such a list or item in the target article. (The redirect is a R with history as it was an article for about 3 months in 2007 prior to WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT.) Steel1943  (talk) 21:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't really see a discography section for Looney Tunes albums put on CD. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:33, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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The Bugs & Daffy Show
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 15%23The Bugs & Daffy Show

Bugs Bunny: Truth or Hare
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 22:11, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Bugs Bunny: Truth or Hare → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bugs_Bunny:_Truth_or_Hare&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. The redirect was an article for less than two days before WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. Steel1943 (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find a mention on this in any related article, but if its worth anything, here is an explanation of what it is . Also valid for the next redirect. --Gonnym (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Daffy Duck: Tales from the Duckside
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Daffy Duck: Tales from the Duckside → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daffy_Duck:_Tales_from_the_Duckside&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Daffy Duck: Tales from the Duckside">Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Daffy Duck: Tales from the Duckside → Looney Tunes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Daffy_Duck:_Tales_from_the_Duckside&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target article. The content at the article-namespace page was active for less than 2 days before being redirected. Steel1943 (talk) 20:58, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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St. Louis Music, Inc.
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 09:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="St. Louis Music, Inc.">St. Louis Music, Inc. → LOUD Technologies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._Louis_Music,_Inc.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

proposing deletion, as there is no St. Louis Music article. synthfiend (talk) 20:33, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep company is mentioned in the target article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep company is mentioned; see LOUD Technologies. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  17:29, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Crate Amplifiers
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 15%23Crate Amplifiers

Riot Girls (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 15:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Riot Girls (film)">Riot Girls (film) → 2018 in film (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riot_Girls_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Loved (2018 film)">Loved (2018 film) → 2018 in film (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loved_(2018_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These films aren't mentioned at the target. Given that 2018 is now over, I don't envision more additions being added to that list. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as are not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 20:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete didn't get released in 2018. Riot Girls is by Jovanka Vuckovic, but Jovanka Vuckovic does not have an article. Not sure what Loved refers to. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:18, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Restyling
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 17%23Restyling

Unknown artist
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Anonymous work. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:34, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Unknown artist → Anonymity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unknown_artist&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Unknown Artist → Anonymous work (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unknown_Artist&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I have no opinion about where these two redirect should be redirected, other than they should target the same target. I’m unable to determine which target is more helpful for our readers. Steel1943 (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect both to Anonymous work as that article clearly states unknown creator or author in its lead section, which is more relevant to the context of artwork per WP:LEAST. ComplexRational (talk) 23:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment this is a common designation by media players to refer to files that lack the tags for the artist field, I'll not that we have Unknown Album → Unknown, which should probably also be nominated. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:31, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect both to Anonymous work as the article is specific to artwork, literature, and publications. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 23:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Toneladas
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 17%23Toneladas

Slogan:Human life begins at conception
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . To deal with the edit history of Slogan:Human life begins at conception, I went with 's suggestion. Since there was a cut-and-paste move on 26 March 2004, I could merge all pre-move edits to Human life begins at conception, which continues to redirect to Beginning of human personhood. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Slogan:Human life begins at conception → Abortion debate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slogan:Human_life_begins_at_conception&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Slogan: Human life begins at conception → Abortion debate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slogan:_Human_life_begins_at_conception&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 18, and the fact that "Slogan:" is an unlikely search term. Some discussion would be appropriate because this is quite old for a redirect. feminist (talk) 02:32, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The page history shows that the content was moved somewhere else, and the date of the move, 26 March 2004, may well predate the introduction of the "move" feature.  (I can't find when it was introduced, but before it was, the only way to move a page was cut-and-paste, and many people continued cut-and-paste moving after it was enabled.)  The history continued here, the page kept on 2018 December 18.  Unless the previous discussion gets overturned by a later discussion, we need to keep this redirect because it's part of the other page's history.  See the wording at Copied, which applies here: The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists.  All this being said, if someone wants to preserve the history some other way, I'm fine with deletion, since obviously it's not a good title.  Nyttend (talk) 03:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * PS, content from the recently kept redirect got merged into the United States anti-abortion movement article, which is still in existence. The nominated redirect is part of that article's history, so we have to keep the 2004-and-earlier revisions somewhere, and history-merging them with the recently kept redirect would be a bad idea, as there's an overlap and we'd get some confusing diffs.  The only acceptable choices, as far as I can see, are keeping this where it is, or moving it to some other title (e.g. Talk:United States anti-abortion movement/Attribution history) without a redirect.  Nyttend (talk) 03:12, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...Please do not move this history to a subpage of a talk page. That was the way such tasks seemed to be done back in the early years of Wikipedia. But now, it confounds matters since it’s not actual talk page content. Steel1943  (talk) 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Move to Human life starts at conception without leaving a redirect, and retarget to Beginning of human personhood (to match result at Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 18), and update any Copied templates after the move occurs, and/or add the templates if they do not exist on the proper talk page(s). This option will resolve the nominator’s concern since the nominated title will be deleted, and seemingly resolve the "keep" option above me since the edit history will be retained. Steel1943  (talk) 19:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Just so the closing admin's clear — since my only big concern is retaining the history somewhere, I'm fine with this idea, since it keeps the history and gets rid of a badly titled redirect. Nyttend (talk) 04:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Needs more input: there's agreement by two editors to keep this, not delete it, but at a new target. That seems fine, but whether it should be retargeted as well should also be considered.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete revisions from 2004-03-26 and on (unimportant redirect edits) and merge the rest to Human life begins at conception (or tag Human life begins at conception with ). This page seems to have continued under that title with no overlapping history, and if we merge the two redirects, then there are fewer places to check for the full history. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I added a related redirect to the nomination. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The related redirect can in my opinion be deleted. Unlike the originally listed redirect, the related redirect doesn't contain any history which needs to be kept for attribution purposes. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:33, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Time zones and time offsets
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to UTC offset. Note that there's a proposed merge for that page and the other suggested target. --BDD (talk) 16:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Time zones and time offsets → Template:Time zones and time offsets (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Time_zones_and_time_offsets&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

See WP:R. Stefan2 (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to List of UTC time offsets which is almost certainly what someone using this search term will be looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to UTC offset, which most closely matches the redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:12, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment The target's been deleted, but since people are advocating retargeting, this shouldn't be speedy-deleted on "non-existent target" grounds before this discussion concludes. I've given the redirect indefinite full protection, hoping that the redirect-deleting bot has been programmed to ignore protected redirects (since they're often special cases).  Please ping me when this discussion concludes, and I'll be happy to unprotect it.  (I'll be happy to make any requested edits before then, and of course admins should feel free to edit through protection.)  My rationale says **Any** good-faith unprotection request needs to be accepted, so you can also leave a note at WP:RFPP if I'm not around or you'd rather get someone else's input.  Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Another comment Someone showed me a better way to ward off the bot (it's exclusion compliant, so nobots suffices), so I've removed protection. Please be careful not to remove nobots unless this redirect should be deleted.  Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to UTC offset. feminist (talk) 07:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete per WP:XY, considering that Time zone and UTC offset (the target of Time offset, a redirect) are two separate articles. Steel1943  (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G8; Target was recently deleted. The redirect can be recreated with the suggested target with or without the current page's history. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  06:57, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:G8 does not apply to "plausible redirects that can be changed to valid targets". -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to UTC offset. I think List of UTC time offsets is more useful, but UTC offset is more appropriate and helpfully links there anyway. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Template:ThisDateInRecentYears2006Rev
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was restore/move (w/o rdr) per Deryck C.  . non-admin closure to avoid 4th (!) relisting (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Template:ThisDateInRecentYears2006Rev → Template:This date in recent years (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:ThisDateInRecentYears2006Rev&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:ThisDateInRecentYears2007 → Template:This date in recent years (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:ThisDateInRecentYears2007&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are old, outdated redirects that no longer serve a purpose. 2006 and 2007 are no longer "recent years". -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Since these redirects are R with history redirects, I’m comsidering moving the edit histories of redirects to titles without the title issues referenced in the nomination. Do you have any concerns with this? Steel1943  (talk) 18:35, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Is the history needed for anything? It doesn't look significant to me, but I could be missing something. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:50, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Reviewing the edit history, I really don’t think I have an opinion either way other than just acknowledging that the redirects have edit history. It may be a case of "restore and send to WP:TFD", but I’m not strong on that option either. Steel1943  (talk) 19:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Move to template subspace. The years in the template names refer to the time at which the templates were revised, so it is irrelevant whether they're "recent" compared to today. It is normal for new versions of a template to be drafted on a separate page and then copied or moved to the live template later. These old drafts should be preserved in the subspace of the live template, e.g. Template:This date in recent years/2006Rev and Template:This date in recent years/2007. Deryck C. 12:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you provide some examples of this precedence? If this is a precedence, I’m surprised that I’ve never run across it or remember running across it. Steel1943  (talk) 20:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * See e.g. these template subpages. Deryck C. 23:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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City Gallery, Bangkok
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="City Gallery, Bangkok">City Gallery, Bangkok → National Gallery (Thailand) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_Gallery,_Bangkok&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading; the National Gallery is not referred to by this name. Paul_012 (talk) 11:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 20:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: Bangkok City Gallery and Thailand National Gallery, though located in the same city, refer to two separate art galleries within the city. Once notable, the other art gallery can be recreated as an article. After all, redlinks encourage article creation. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  07:05, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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Worms
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Gosh, what a can of worms this one was. I'll clean it up.   wbm1058 (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Worms → Worms, Germany (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Worms&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target of this redirect has been changed several times over the years with no actual discussion as to where it should point. I think the current target is the worst option. Worm or worm (disambiguation) would both make a lot more sense; I'm leaning towards the former. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 11:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support No reason why the German town would be primary, since Worm is about an everyday, worldwide thing. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 16:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * What course of action are you supporting? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Worm. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 20:28, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Support for the disambiguation - I don't know what people are looking for more frequently when opening "Worms" but directing everything to worm can be confusing if you didn't look for it. --mfb (talk) 03:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation per my draft. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Worm Clear primary topic per WP:PLURALPT.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 10:53, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate at this title. The singular does indeed have a clear primary topic, but it's not always easy to see to what an extent this extends to all the forms of a given word. The German city is well-known and so a reasonable contender as well: it also receives about 40% as many views as Worm. In the absence of any further considerations, it seems best to go for Shhhnotsoloud's draft dab page. There's no good reason to redirect to Worm (disambiguation) as in half of the relevant entries, "Worms" is a different lexeme from "Worm" (and not merely its plural), and most of the entries on that page are anyway irrelevant for a user searching specifically for "Worms". – Uanfala (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that that's also a good idea, we can then remove the plural entries from Worm (disambiguation).  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:15, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Furry conventions
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . This is without prejudice against recreation should a given convention be mentioned somewhere. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:03, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * AnthrOhio → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AnthrOhio&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Camp Feral → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camp_Feral&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Camp Feral!">Camp Feral! → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camp_Feral!&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * CeSFuR → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CeSFuR&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Feral!">Feral! → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Feral!&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * FurFright → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FurFright&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Furfright → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furfright&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Furloween → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furloween&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Furpocalypse → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furpocalypse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Furry Spring Break → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_Spring_Break&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * H-Con → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=H-Con&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * HerbstCon → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HerbstCon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Herbstcon → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herbstcon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Howloween → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Howloween&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Japan Meeting of Furries → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japan_Meeting_of_Furries&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Mephit Mini Con → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mephit_Mini_Con&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Morphicon → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morphicon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Rusfurence → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rusfurence&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Rusfurrence → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rusfurrence&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Texas Furry Con → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Texas_Furry_Con&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * TransFur → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TransFur&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Western PA Furry Weekend → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Western_PA_Furry_Weekend&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Zillercon → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zillercon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="ČeSFuR">ČeSFuR → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%8CeSFuR&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="РусФуренция">РусФуренция → Furry convention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%A4%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These conventions are not listed at the target. They're also not found at List of furry conventions, where I would expect them to be. Jalen D. Folf  (talk)  03:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all as not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 15:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep because they lead to information relevant to the titles in question, if only via external wikilink. All are real events that happened; some still run (e.g. Furpocalypse, mentioned in passing on the New York Post, regularly attracts ~1,400 attendees); most are plausible potential articles for the sake of WP:RFD#KEEP #7. Most of them were at furry convention at the time they were redirected (which I did in an attempt to avoid such pages being frequently created and deleted, which was the style of the time); the list was later moved to its own page, and subsequently trimmed of entries not deemed referenced by reliable sources (furry conventions of the era were notably wary of attracting media, thanks to coverage in Vanity Fair, CSI, et. al.). It's true that they are not currently in the list, but if coverage was found, they'd belong there until big enough for their own articles, and would still have an entry after. I guess the question is whether it's better to redirect to a page with generic information, or not redirect at all. WikiFur has a more comprehensive list, and a related timeline is linked from the shorter list here, so readers might plausibly access useful information on the conventions via these redirects, even though Wikipedia does not cover them itself. It's also not clear to me that there is a harm to these redirects (any more than for most of those previously listed). GreenReaper (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment An additional source that brought up in a previous related discussion is the book by Fred Patten: Furry Fandom Conventions: 1989–2015, which is already included as a "Works cited" source on the list of furry conventions.  Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  00:13, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all as unmentioned, and per WP:REDLINK for those with independent notability. Steel1943  (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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