Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 17

July 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 17, 2019.

USSR 2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . With a relist not generating any new participation and nobody holding a particularly strong opinion, I think it's time to take an executive decision. I see the consensus here is that the Russian equivalent of this abbreviation seems to consistently (but not officially) refer to the redirect target, but the English abbreviation doesn't have a consistent target and a few competing topics were presented. So I'm closing this as a rough consensus to delete. Deryck C. 17:52, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * USSR 2 → Union of Sovereign States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USSR_2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I get the connection, but this plan was never referred to as USSR 2 signed,Rosguill talk 17:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I could've sworn I've seen this project mentioned as “СССР-2” in some Russian-language sources, but I can't find them now. I have nothing against deleting it. Dr. Fatman (talk) 11:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On the Russian Wikipedia, "СССР 2.0" redirects to their article for the Union of Sovereign States, though it doesn't seem to be used in the article. Not having known about the Union before, I might've expected this to go to Commonwealth of Independent States, but there doesn't seem to be any warrant for that. --BDD (talk) 15:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment the search results I'm seeing talk about a "USSR 2" or more usually "New Soviet Union" all date to the 21st century and are in the context of Russian expansionism 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018. I can't find a single good article about that though, but aspects of it get mentions in Post-Soviet Russia, Foreign policy of Vladimir Putin, History of Russia (1991–present), Foreign relations of Russia, Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation and probably other places. If there was a single good place then I'd definitely say disambig between the current target, CIS and that, but as it is I'm unusure. Thryduulf (talk) 20:12, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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What wp is not
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President Snowflake
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Snowflake (slang), delete, and delete respectively. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * President Snowflake → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=President_Snowflake&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * T-rump → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T-rump&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Commentary, not redirect material. — the Man in Question (in question)  20:34, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The Trumpster → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Trumpster&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

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 * Retarget President Snowflake to Snowflake (slang) as there is a special section about the politicization of the term. Delete the rest as not used. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all. I have no objection to President Snowflake being retargeted as suggested above, but the history should be deleted first (may qualify for WP:CSD as exisiting solely for the purpose of disparaging a living person).  Gnome de plume (talk) 15:19, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget President Snowflake I object to the deletion of the history, though. Per that article: CNN commentator Van Jones called Trump "President Snowflake" based on his response to the FBI's Russia probe in May 2017. It's just like Crazy Bernie which at one point was redirected to Bernie Sanders. That isn't a BLP violation though because it's essentially a quoted insult. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 07:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget President Snowflake to List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States without deleting this history as it is listed there with multiple sources and links to the Snowflake (slang) article that user:MJL probably means. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * lol yeah that's what I meant. Don't know what happened there to me. I couldn't words right probably.. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 20:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Just so it's clear, I'd like President Snowflake to be retargeted to Snowflake (slang) still, but List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States is a good second choice. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:46, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States is the best target for all of these, but if there is a consensus to target President Snowflake directly at the slang term article then I'm fine with that as a second choice. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget President Snowflake to Snowflake (slang). Direct readers to the most available, relevant information.—Bagumba (talk) 04:37, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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Fuck a duck
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect  to wikt:fuck a duck. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Fuck a duck → Fuck (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuck_a_duck&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Now meaningless. — the Man in Question (in question)  22:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:NOTURBANDICTIONARY.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per, , , and . There are plenty of books with this phrase and it is used in current lingo. AmericanAir88(talk) 20:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing sources. Based on your sources, it seems to me it would preferably be retargeted to a nonexistent article about List of expletives in the English language or similar. As it currently stands, no one searching "fuck a duck" would be hoping to simply be redirect to the "fuck" page, especially since there is no mention of the phrase in the target article. Therefore I still favor a delete, as a form of deletion to encourage article creation. — the Man in Question (in question)  20:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I see where you are getting from, but deletion does not seem to encourage creation. Deletion shows users that the page has been created and been removed. This phrase is common within our crazy modern society and wikipedia adjusts to lingo changes. We will see how this turns out, I do see your point. AmericanAir88</b>(<b style="color: darkred">talk</b>) 21:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you are right about encouraging article creation, but this is based on Reason for deleting #10. — the Man in Question (in question)  21:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to Wiktionary wikt:fuck a duck where interested readers can find lexical information about the term. There isn't at present any encyclopaedic information about it on Wikipedia, but if that changes the soft redirect can be revisited. Thryduulf (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per WP:NOTSLANG. The sources that AmericanAir88 identified above enforces that this will likely never go beyond a dictionary definition.—Bagumba (talk) 20:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * But the stats show that many people look for it on Wikipedia, so we should provide them with a link to the dictionary entry on Wiktionary via a soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to Wiktionary. On second look, fits criteria at WP:POINTWIKT (part of policy NOTSLANG) and documentation at Wiktionary redirect. Thanks  for the slight nudge.—Bagumba (talk) 10:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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Air pollution in Iran
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Health in Iran. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 14:33, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Air pollution in Iran → Healthcare in Iran (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Air_pollution_in_Iran&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No related content on target page (was removed in November 2015) Dawnseeker2000  05:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Note – the target section was removed a while back in this huge uncommented deletion. Maybe that material should be restored?  Or some of it? Dicklyon (talk) 06:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The content was split off as Health in Iran, presumably because this is not closely related enough to the intended topic. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 14:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Health in Iran. That seems to be where the content ended up. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Environmental issues in Iran is the more natural target IMO (note that its See also section includes this redirect). The article needs a lot of work, but puts a lot of emphasis on air pollution. --BDD (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Health in Iran per Ivanvector. The other article has less content and only mentions air pollution in passing, so a redirect there makes less sense. Both articles link to each other in any case. PC78 (talk) 21:36, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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Il Talismino
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . This is problematic, because the redirect was never tagged. As of this writing, it still points to The Talisman (ballet), though the nomination suggests it points to the disambiguation page Il talismano. This made it difficult for me to assess the non-delete votes, though by no fault of those voters. For now, I'll have it pointing to the disambiguation page, which I've improved a bit. Let the dust settle, and reapproach if necessary. --BDD (talk) 18:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Il Talismino → Il talismano (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Il_Talismino&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

deletion, unlikely misspelling In ictu oculi (talk) 09:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. — the Man in Question (in question)  17:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:31, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Procedually, the nomination is problematic. This used to redirect to The Talisman (ballet), until nominator had blanked it at 09:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC), before this nomination (09:17).   reverted it back at 15:00, 9 July (UTC).  As far as I can see, it's never been targeted to Il talismano as stated in the nomination. As far as the real target of The Talisman, it looks it might be translated from Italian. As the composer was Italian Riccardo Drigo, it seems that WP:R No. 8 does not apply: In particular, redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. It talismano was at "The Talisman (ballet)" until it was removed by In ictu oculi at 09:21, 9 July (UTC), after this nomination. At worst, redirect to Il talismano for disambiguation. A one-letter misspelling is not implausible.—Bagumba (talk) 13:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 10:19, 7 December 2006‎ Mrlopez2681 Redirected page to The Talisman (ballet). Can you please link to the policy that supports a one-off Wikipedia editor misspelling of an Italian word being preserved for "keep". This was clearly created in error, a repeat of that one-letter misspelling is totally implausible. We have here a simple i/a error on a single bad link from 2006 in a single article. A Google Book check confirms that this an unlikely error - evidenced by the fact it has not been repeated - I am not aware of any policy or guideline that we are obliged to preserve unlikely spelling errors. It was made in 2006, it went unspotted, but why do we now in 2019 need a redirect from a one off misspelling of a rare Italian word to anywhere? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The fact that a misspelling is not found in books is proof that a human won't misspell it in a search window? Good night.—Bagumba (talk) 16:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. In fact the autocomplete function of top right search box is more likely to cause a mispelling. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:05, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Comment I've left notification with the redirect's creator, Mrlopez2681, regarding this RfD (though they edit irregularly).—Bagumba (talk) 16:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Il talismano. There is a bit of usage in the wild, including, and it's doing no harm. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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Long Thai name of Bangkok
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . I believe only the initial redirect was tagged. If any others are, you can let me know or remove them yourself. --BDD (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Krung-devamahanagara amararatanakosindra mahindrayudhya mahatilakabhava navaratanarajadhani puriramasya utamarajanivesana mahasthana amaravimana avatarasthitya shakrasdattiya vishnukarmaprasiddhi">Krung-devamahanagara amararatanakosindra mahindrayudhya mahatilakabhava navaratanarajadhani puriramasya utamarajanivesana mahasthana amaravimana avatarasthitya shakrasdattiya vishnukarmaprasiddhi → Bangkok (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Krung-devamahanagara_amararatanakosindra_mahindrayudhya_mahatilakabhava_navaratanarajadhani_puriramasya_utamarajanivesana_mahasthana_amaravimana_avatarasthitya_shakrasdattiya_vishnukarmaprasiddhi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect that was generated by a bot more than ten years ago which has never been linked to. The only probable use would be in the search box, but even the spelling is not the most well-known; that would be "Krung thep mahanakhon amon rattanakosin mahinthara ayuthaya mahadilok phop noppharat ratchathani burirom udomratchaniwet mahasathan amon piman awatan sathit sakkathattiya witsanukam prasit". See the Wiktionary talk page on: Talk:Unsupported_titles/Thai_name_of_Bangkok. « « «  SOME GADGET GEEK  » » » (talk) 18:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There's consensus at this point to delete the single redirect nominated. I'm relisting because I'm not clear on whether the editors who mentioned any of the variants wanted them deleted as well.
 * Delete per nom. The redirect is listed as lol. signed,Rosguill talk 18:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. This redirect was created as the diacritic-less version of Krung-dēvamahānagara amararatanakosindra mahindrayudhyā mahātilakabhava navaratanarājadhānī purīrāmasya utamarājanivēsana mahāsthāna amaravimāna avatārasthitya shakrasdattiya vishnukarmaprasiddhi. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope you'll all indulge me in changing the section heading of this one. --BDD (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayutthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udom Ratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanu Kamprasit, Krungthepmahanakornamornratanakosinmahintarayutthayamahadilokphopnopparatrajathaniburiromudomrajaniwesmahasatharnamornphimarnavatarnsathitsakkattiyavisanukamprasit, Krungthep Mahanakhon Amonrattanakosin Mahintharayutthaya Mahadilokphop Noppharatratchathani Burirom-udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amonphiman Awatansathit Sakkathattiya Witsanu Kamprasit, Krungthepmahanakornamornratanakosinmahintarayutth..., Krungthepmahanakornamornratanakosinmahintarayutthayamahadilokphopnopparatrajathaniburiromudomrajaniwesmahasatharn, Krungthepmahanakornamornratanakosinmahintarayutthayamahadilokphopnopparatrajathaniburiromudomrajaniwesmahasatharnamornphimar- navatarnsathitsakkattiyavisanukamprasit, Krungthepmahanakornamornratanakosinmahintarayutthayamahadilokphop nopparatrajathaniburiromudomrajaniwesmahasatharn amornphimarnavatarnsathitsakkattiyavisanukamprasit, Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit, Krungthep mahanakhon amon rattanakosin mahintara ayuthaya mahadilok popnopparat ratchathani burirom udomratchaniwet mahasathan amonpiman avatansathit sakkathattiya visnukamprasit, Krung thep mahanakhon bovorn ratanakosin mahintharayutthaya mahadilok pop noparatratchathani burirom udomratchanivetmahasathan amornpiman avatarnsathit sakkathattiyavisnukarmprasit, Krungthepmahanakhon Amonrattanakosin Mahintharayutthaya Mahadilokphop Noppharatratchathaniburirom Udomratchaniwetmahasathan Amonphimanawatansathit Sakkathattiyawitsanukamprasit and Krungthepmahanakonbowornratanakosinmahintarayudyayamahadiloponoparatanarajthaniburiromudomrajniwesmahasatarnamornpimarnavatarsatitsakattiyavisanukamphrasit are all extremely unlikely to ever be typed in the search box by anyone. Apart from the first four, none have any incoming links. Some are tagged &#123;&#123;R from long name&#125;&#125;, which isn't really accurate because it's a ceremonial name that is not used practically by anyone anywhere to refer to the city. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep all It's the historical, ceremonial name as described at Bangkok. Granted, there's multiple variants because there are many forms of Thai romanization. And people cut and paste these days, moreso than typing manually.  It justs looks silly if a modernized encyclopedia couldn't recognize such a name, esp. if it's a conscious decision regarding a non-Western country.Redirects are cheap!—Bagumba (talk) 21:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment re: bots For the record, the (different than the nominated one) was not by a bot, but a retired editor with over 1,000 edits: .—Bagumba (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete It does not serve any purpose to have this as an article name. No one will ever type it. Any search for a part of it will find the right target. &minus;Woodstone (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above and how we have frequently treated long redirects in the past here. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all Extremely long redirects are defeating the point of a redirect, which is to be something that would plausibly be typed in the search box.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep all - arguments about being a valid search term are invalid. As I understand it these redirects are correct, excepting that some may be R without diacritics which is still a valid and useful category of redirect, and if someone does type it, they'll be taken to the subject they're looking for. There is no reason at all to remove valid encyclopedic information just because some in the west find it unsightly. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No precedent There is no guideline cited by the "deletes". Precedents for long place name redirects from Western countries include Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg in the United States that redirects to Lake Chaubunagungamaug and Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch in Wales to Llanfairpwllgwyngyll.—Bagumba (talk) 12:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Ivanvector and Bagumba. Lack of links from current revisions of pages on the English Wikipedia (the only thing whatlinkshere shows) is explicitly not a reason to delete a redirect. Being typed into the search box is not the only reason for a redirect to exist. Thryduulf (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep all mainly per Ivanvector and Bagumba. It's not implausible that someone might find the full name and google it. And if you google it, the first link is actually one to the redirect. So it might be useful for people not using the search box but a search engine and that is all WP:R requires. Regards So  Why  19:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Comment. Someone mentioned Krungthepmahanakhon Amonrattanakosin Mahintharayutthaya Mahadilokphop Noppharatratchathaniburirom Udomratchaniwetmahasathan Amonphimanawatansathit Sakkathattiyawitsanukamprasit before, and I just want to point out that it's mentioned in the article (letter-for-letter). I'd be a strong keep on that one. For the rest, I just want to point out they aren't mentioned in the article (but maybe could be?) &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The others are variant Romanizations. They are plausible search terms, but not worth repeating in prose (esp. at that length).—Bagumba (talk) 20:34, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. If we have an article on a subject that has an official name, that official name always needs to be a working page.  Maybe it's the article's name, or maybe it's the name of another article that's the primary use, or maybe it's a disambiguation page, or maybe it's a redirect to the article that goes by some other form of the name.  But the important thing is that we should never convert such a page into a redlink unless we're deleting the article itself or unless there's been a mistake and the claimed full name isn't.  See WP:NOTPAPER; this is a great example of a useful redirect (long full name) that wouldn't be worth printing as a "redirect" in a printed book.  Nyttend (talk) 01:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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SMT3
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Blue walls
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FIPA (software)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="FIPA (software)">FIPA (software) → Foundation for Intelligent Physical Agents (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FIPA_(software)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading disambiguator, the target is an organization associated with software, but it is not itself software. signed,Rosguill talk 16:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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Gulel (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 09:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gulel (film)">Gulel (film) → Aparna Sen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gulel_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article now (and neither at the time of creation of the redirect). Apparently, Gulel was an early working title of Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara (at least that's what an earlier version of the article suggests), but a google search (admittedly a very perfunctory one) didn't come up with any reliable sources making the connection. – Uanfala (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. I also couldn't find anything to support that connection. There are some sources from around 2003-2009 about an on/off Aparna Sen film project named Gulel, but with no mention in the target article I don't think this is a useful redirect. PC78 (talk) 19:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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Bobby Jaffers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 09:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Bobby Jaffers → The Invisible Man (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bobby_Jaffers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Fictional character that isn't mentioned in any Wikipedia article. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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Lay Phone
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 09:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Lay Phone → Lei Feng (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lay_Phone&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think this is a plausible redirect or alternate form, and I think this form of the name is rather silly and thereby unencyclopedic. As such, and given the lack of substantial edit history, I believe this redirect should be deleted.– John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:06, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a play on the Mandarin pronunciation,, as . –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 07:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. — the Man in Question (in question)  22:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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Energy card
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 31%23Energy card