Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 27

July 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 27, 2019.

Amadeus
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 4%23Amadeus

Фaхpудин
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted per CSD G7 by RHaworth.  (non-admin closure) – Sonicwave  talk  22:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Фaхpудин → Fakhr al-Din (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A4a%D1%85p%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:FORRED (from Russsian). Also, the and the  are Latin. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 21:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. signed,Rosguill talk 23:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Apparently I created this redirect in January 2010. I think it was to cater for the Serbian form of the name as given in the article Fahrudin Durak. I agree that it serves no useful purpose. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Ф29 phage
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 04:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Ф29 phage → Bacillus phage phi29 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A429_phage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Ф6 phage → Pseudomonas phage Φ6 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A46_phage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects begin with a Cyrillic ef Ф instead of Greek phi Φ.–LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, as an English speaker with a Cyrillic keyboard installed but not a Greek one, I could see myself trying to search for something this way. signed,Rosguill talk 23:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rosguill. The two gyphs are nearly identical (probably are identical in some fonts) and so I can easily see myself picking the wrong one out of a collection of non-Latin symbols, especially if the source is seen without the context of any other symbols that significantly differ between Greek and Cyrillic. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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2020 democratic
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:35, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * 2020 democratic → 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_democratic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2020 dem → 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_dem&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too vague. I let approved a few similar ones, 2020 dems and 2020 democrats which I felt couldn't realistically refer to anything else, but these are both very unlikely search terms and could potentially refer to other topics, as neither "democratic" nor "dem" are generally used as nicknames for the Democratic Party as a whole. signed,Rosguill talk 19:35, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I would redirect both to Democratic Party or delete. --Comment by <b style="color:#14866d">Selfie City</b> ( talk about my  contributions ) 19:56, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - 2020 democratic what? campaigns? financing? victories? losses? Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: too vague; this could also mean 2020 Democratic National Convention, Political positions of the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primary candidates, 2020 Democratic Party presidential debates and forums or 2020 Democrats Abroad primary. I would also support the deletion of 2020 dems and 2020 democrats for the same reason. – Sonicwave talk  20:08, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Black science man
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Black science man → Neil deGrasse Tyson (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_science_man&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Proposing to delete. "Black science man" referring to Tyson has been an internet meme for several years, typified by memes such as this. A subreddit called /r/BlackScienceMan featuring these memes has 9,000 subscribers. However, I don't think a meme of this sort can be justified on an encyclopedia. The term is rather offensive on its face, suggesting that Tyson is the only notable black scientist. It's also not (and shouldn't be) mentioned in the article. Ostealthy (talk) 17:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - unecyclopedic, and inaccurate, as there are many other black men in science. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. This would be a fine redirect to an article with an encyclopaedic mention of the term, but there isn't. Indeed the only other use of this exact phrase on en.wp is User:Bedsidelamp's "profile" at Teahouse/Guests (an inactive project page whose purpose isn't explained or obvious to me) - and I'm not certain Bedsidelamp is even referencing Tyson. Thryduulf (talk) 23:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: too vague and not mentioned in target article, in addition to the above points. – Sonicwave talk  19:37, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:22, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Change to a redirect to List of African-American inventors and scientists. JRSpriggs (talk) 05:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ...Except "science" and "invention" are not exclusive to each other in the least. Steel1943  (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not understand your comment. How is it relevant?
 * Taking away the redirect does nothing to disabuse people who have read the subreddit of any belief they might have that there are few, if any, African American scientists. Indeed, it might lead them to believe that there are no real African American scientists, if the link disappears. My suggested new target provides a list of notable African American scientists (and inventors, who have similar capabilities) to disprove their scepticism. JRSpriggs (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Steel1943  (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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Kidwelly satanic child rape cult
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  by User:GeneralizationsAreBad per  G7. (non-admin closure)  ——  SerialNumber  54129  08:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Kidwelly satanic child rape cult → Kidwelly sex cult (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kidwelly_satanic_child_rape_cult&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I just moved Kidwelly satanic child rape cult to Kidwelly sex cult because that is how the case is described by sources. I think we would be justified in deleting the original title, for the same reason as with the Norwich case below: the title is lurid and unencyclopedic. However I did leave it as a redirect and I am nominating it for RfD, in part so as to have a paper trail. MelanieN (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the Norwich case. Lurid as you say, and if it's not even accurate...WP:TNT can apply to redirects I suppose. ——  SerialNumber  54129  17:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Just plain awful. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. SarahSV (talk) 21:31, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.  Mini  apolis  23:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. Steel1943  (talk) 19:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Requested that this automatically generated redirect page be speedily deleted using the G7 template. My search for pages containing this title found no relevant results, so it is no longer needed. Despite an assertion here to the contrary, all reliable sources I have seen suggest the page title is accurate. Tots &#38; little ones matter! (talk) 01:38, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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March 2019 Seattle Shooting Spree
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * March 2019 Seattle Shooting Spree → Poway synagogue shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=March_2019_Seattle_Shooting_Spree&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not really a valid redirect as it happened in April and wasn't a "spree". Praxidicae (talk) 14:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete regardless of whether or not it can be considered a spree the shooting happened in late April making this a highly unlikely search term.--64.229.166.98 (talk) 21:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as redirect to an unrelated event. Seattle event itself seems not to qualify as a standalone article per WP:NOTNEWS due to its being a random act of violence and crime. StonyBrook (talk) 07:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: not related to the target page (wrong date and location). – Sonicwave talk  20:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Norwich child rape and sadistic abuse ring
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 * The result of the discussion was WP:IAR deleted.  There is zero possibility that this discussion will reach any result other than delete, and it serves no useful purpose whatsoever to keep an actively disruptive redirect in place for a week just for the sake of process. If anyone wants to complain about me, WP:ANI and WP:ARC are thataway. &#8209; Iridescent 16:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Norwich child rape and sadistic abuse ring → Norwich sexual abuse ring (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Norwich_child_rape_and_sadistic_abuse_ring&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was the original title for the article. It was objected to at AN as being lurid and inappropriate for Wikipedia. The article was moved to a more neutral title. IMO this inappropriate redirect should not be kept. MelanieN (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Absolutely agree. As the bod who moved the page (twice), I say that this is completely unlikely as a search term and the more so for not being a name that is encountered in the sources. Thanks to for picking this up; apologies, I forgot that not being a proper page mover, I would leave this redirect behind. Would it be easier if I just stuck  on it?  ——  SerialNumber  54129  15:19, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good thought, but it technically doesn't qualify for U1 or G7. I wish it did; I would rather not have this title sitting around for a week while we discuss it. Maybe it can qualify for SNOW at some point. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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နု
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 11%23နု

Neurotypical syndrome
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 11%23Neurotypical syndrome

JODIE WELLS
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * JODIE WELLS → My Sister Jodie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JODIE_WELLS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Jodie Wells is already a proper redirect and serves the purpose. No need for WP:ALLCAPS here. Not surprisingly, it's view stats are awful. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is an, there was an article at this title for about a year. Thryduulf (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, there was an article at this title for four hours, not a year. It was then redirected two minutes after being moved, where it has remained for over a decade. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination and above comment. – Sonicwave talk  23:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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Roberto Esquivel Cabrera
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Roberto Esquivel Cabrera → Human penis size (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roberto_Esquivel_Cabrera&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Debunked record claim (according to the user who removed the target section in May 2017) held by a person who is mentioned nowhere on Wikipedia. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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Emil Johansson (athlete)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 04:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Emil Johansson (athlete)">Emil Johansson (athlete) → Emil Johansson (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emil_Johansson_(athlete)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect to a DAB page with no relevant entry (except perhaps for Emil Johansson (tug of war), if tug-of-war can be considered to fall within sport of athletics; which in my opinion it does not). There is an incoming link from Athletics at the 2019 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival; a competition whose name suggests that the sprinter is extremely unlikely to pass WP:GNG or WP:NTRACK as yet. I propose deletion, to encourage article creation if and when justified. Narky Blert (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment in US English "athlete" can mean both a person who competes in the sport of athletics, or a sportsperson more generally. We should thus defer to American English speakers regarding whether the tug of war competitor would/could be called an athlete (as a British English speaker I genuinely don't know). Thryduulf (talk) 23:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've only ever seen the qualifier (athlete) on people who've competed in track and field. There is a well-defined array of qualifiers for US competitors in other sports, all the way from e.g. (baseball) to (left-handed pitcher, born 1899). Narky Blert (talk) 20:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That doesn't necessarily mean it would be an implausible search term for someone partially but not intimately familiar with Wikipedia's article titling guidelines. Thryduulf (talk) 21:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the exact reasons above are why I created the redirect. Page disambiguators must serve as a way of distinguishing between different topics. Footballers, boxers, tug-of-war competitors and ice hockey players are all athletes, thus the disambiguator is not a suitable one – Emil Johansson (sprinter) is the better redlink target for the track athlete. I've made numerous changes of this type for several years, changing the page handle from "(athlete)" to the specific track discipline when other athletes of the same name exist to ensure we don't confuse readers or editors with ambiguous disambiguation handles. The "(athlete)" handle is only really useful if there are no other biographies for sportspeople of that name (e.g. Sarah Cowley). SFB 23:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per Thryduulf. In American English, this is a r from incomplete disambiguation, and could refer to any of the four people listed on the disambiguation page. It's also a r from move, since it's the former title of Emil Johansson (tug of war). - Eureka Lott 19:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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List of racist attack on africans in india
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * List of racist attack on africans in india → Ethnic relations in India (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_racist_attack_on_africans_in_india&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Typo + 2 miscapitalizations. See also Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_September_7 regarding a similar redirect. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:08, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and the previous discussion. This was the original title of the article that became the redirect discussed in September last year, I'm not sure why it wasn't picked up at the time. Thryduulf (talk) 23:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above; not mentioned in the target article. – Sonicwave talk  18:02, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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Apulia First
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 11%23Apulia First

Loool
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Loool → LOL (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loool&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Uncommon variation of LOL, stats confirm that very few users (if any) have found this redirect to be actually helpful. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:35, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - unnecessary. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:26, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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