Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 June 18

June 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 18, 2019.

Wikipedia:Vanity
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Vanity → Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Vanity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ironically the redirect says Please do not use this shortcut, as the term can be considered insulting to the people it is applied to. So it is of no use as a shortcut and should be deleted Abote2 (talk) 23:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. The redirect was originally created for Wikipedia is not a vanity press and that no longer exists. Angela (talk) 11:16, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not useful for COI, perhaps could be recreated for something else in project space, such as a humorous essay, but clearly not needed now or any time soon. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:21, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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Fortescue (Harry Potter Portrait)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Fortescue (Harry Potter Portrait) → Magic in Harry Potter (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fortescue_(Harry_Potter_Portrait)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of "Fortescue" in target article. Appears from edit history of the redirect (this 2006 version) that it is one of the portraits in the headmaster's study, but as this isn't mentioned the redirect is unhelpful. Pam D  22:18, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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Stormi Webster
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Primitive Apostolic Christianity
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Primitive Apostolic Christianity → Early Christianity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Primitive_Apostolic_Christianity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Primitive Apostolic Christianity (disambiguation) → Early Christianity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Primitive_Apostolic_Christianity_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Primitive Apostolic Christianity (Sabbatarian) → Restorationism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Primitive_Apostolic_Christianity_(Sabbatarian)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. The term "Primitive Apostolic Christianity" does not occur at either target article (indeed it occurs nowhere in enwiki now that I've removed 2 invalid entries from disambiguation pages). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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ForeverAlone
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Controversial Reddit communities. I went ahead and retargeted this redirect since there exists a section in another article that is specifically about this group. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:47, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * ForeverAlone → Incel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ForeverAlone&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The ForeverAlone forum on reddit is not an incel forum. The "forever alone" phrase and meme are also not associated with incels. Lmbro (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:CEN
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to WP:CEN to Current events noticeboard and delete "T:CEN" as requested. There is much less interest in this discussion than I would expect, but the extended nomination statement seems to explain it well. Request granted after a week without opposition. Deryck C. 13:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * CEN → Template:Centralized discussion (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CEN&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * T:CEN → Template:Centralized discussion (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T:CEN&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

User suggested here that this redirect be retargeted to the new current events noticeboard (to which I agreed to nominate). It currently is using PCEN (which stands for Portal:Current events/Noticeboard) as the primary shortcut. This is instead of having a primary TLA.

This topic previously came up at the RFC when  swiftly ruled out WP:CEN as a shortcut option. I'll note that I later ruled out WP:CUR/N because WP:CUR, for the moment, CURrently links to Cleanup resources.

The only instance of this shortcut being used to mean WP:CENT explicitly is by 5.150.92.19 once here. Other than that and the aforementioned RFC discussion, that is pretty much the only time this shortcut has ever come up.

WP:CEN was created by now blocked user in 2013 (block was for unrelated reasons).

Regardless, WP:CEN should 100% not navigate to Centralized discussion (which already has T:CENT/T:CD). Since cited WP:CEN while creating T:CEN, I have nominated it here as well. T:CEN should not exist as a poor use of WP:PNS as it is redundant to T:CENT.

WP:CEN makes sense retarged to Current events noticeboard with a standard hatnote to WP:CD/WP:CENT. I mean, I would prefer to not have a hatnote for stylistic reasons, but my Connecticut accent is telling me it'll ( pronounced: Id-dill/rhymes with fiddle ) be necessary.

Therefore, I propose we retarget WP:CEN to Current events noticeboard with a hatnote to WP:CENT and delete T:CEN as unneeded. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC) &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to the noticeboard. It's fairly simple to make my case: see Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:CEN. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif"> qedk ( t  桜  c ) 20:05, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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Nitro Girl Naughty-A (Jamie ?)
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  . Ok, only after I deleted this did I see in the logs that it was deleted and restored in 2012. So, report me to arbcom for extremely slow wheel warring if you must, but it never should've been restored in the first place. It was done because the restoring admin did not belive it was recently created, ignoring the fact that it was at that time a redirect created by a page move, so it was in fact quite recent, totally implausible as a search term,(what does it even mean? term certainly isn't in the target article) and did not and still does not have relevant incoming links, so I'm just calling WP:IAR on this one and deleting as should've been allowed to stand in 2012. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Nitro Girl Naughty-A (Jamie ?)">Nitro Girl Naughty-A (Jamie ?) → The Nitro Girls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nitro_Girl_Naughty-A_(Jamie_%3F)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible (redirect ?) -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:TRUSA
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Somehow I didn't know about any of this, and I'm a bit shaken now. If anyone can give me a concise explanation of what's going on on my talk page, it would be appreciated—perhaps that's not possible! --BDD (talk) 21:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * TRUSA → Wikipedia:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:TRUSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure what the meaning of this is or why it redirects to this page Abote2 (talk) 09:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It means TRUst and SAfety, and so makes sense. ——  SerialNumber  54129  09:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Then it's very badly mistargeted. —Cryptic 10:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The redirect seems like a puzzling choice to me, but if other editors fond it useful, there's no harm in keeping it. Tazerdadog (talk) 10:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I have seen approximately 0 uses of TRUSA. T&S is the overwhelmingly popular abbreviation used instead, but even that aside this redirect should target Trust & Safety on meta and not WP:FRAM. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif"> qedk  ( t  桜  c ) 10:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget  Bad choice, this needs to be redirected to the actual page about T&S. A random newbie will have far greater need to reach T&S (when he types in the shortcut), rather than read the narrative of an internal drama. But, I've hardly seen TRUSA. T&S is almost always used. So, I won't oppose an outright delete, either. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 10:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've never seen it either; it took a couple of minutes to work out something that makes sense (alternatives: WP:TRoUSA redirects to pants, WP:TRoUnSed redirects to—err—rout; you get thepicture...) ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as unintuitive. WP:T&S would be a good shortcut for Trust & Safety, but should redirect to the proper location (meta:Trust and Safety?) -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or failing that retarget. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, second option retarget. — xaosflux  Talk 16:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Not an abbreviation that is in use to refer to the current target or anything else (there are no uses in project space I can find and all uses elsewhere seem to be the surname "Trusa"). WP:T&S would make sense as a soft redirect to Trust and Safety on Meta though. Thryduulf (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as both an unlikely search term and just a really lousy portmanteau. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i> v^_^v  Bori! 18:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the comment directly above. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see the benefit of retargeting it to anywhere. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:06, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Retargeting to Fram is obnoxious and is the kind of attitude that breaks the encyclopedia.  We don't give out redirects as brownie points but so people can find and research stuff, including critics.  They give three alternate names for themselves at the Meta page and none is this unused redirect. Wnt (talk) 13:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Are you really telling me that an arbitrator who hasn't found time to comment on the substantive issue has instead spent his time creating this redirect?!? <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">WJBscribe (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I keep reading it as T-R-USA. Very unhelpful. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per MJL and Jéské Couriano. I don't believe these sorts of shortenings are typically done in English as much as in Russian or Japanese. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 00:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:ASDA
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . What, no TESCO? --BDD (talk) 21:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * ASDA → Wikipedia:Requests for permissions (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ASDA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * WALMART → Wikipedia:Requests for permissions (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WALMART&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused shortcut, can't make any sense of what it could have stood for, no history worth preserving &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both looks useless. — xaosflux  Talk 11:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * cf. WALMART :)   ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with deleting WALMART as well. — xaosflux  Talk 13:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd settle for full unionization and $20 per hour :D   ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Added the other one ping too in case you don't agree with one of these. —  xaosflux  Talk 13:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete/neutral on the second one. Don't feel like thinking about it too much, but seems useless. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete both and add to WP:BJAODN. Worthy inclusion --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. The WALLMART one was created with the following edit summary: "WP:WALMART = forum shopping. Like we get moderately often at WP:RFPERM. It's intended to be a joke, as many of our shortcuts are." Neither looks particuarly useful or intuitive to me, though. The WALLMART one got exactly two pageviews last year, I can't access data for the other. PC78 (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:ASDA also got 2 pageviews last year, but on different days to the WALMART redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 17:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both per the above. Thryduulf (talk) 17:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete redirects are supposed to be helpful for navigating. Tdhese clearly aren't. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Evidently not useful and therefore not needed. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:08, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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