Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 June 22

June 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 22, 2019.

Village/Union Council jourah
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Village/Union Council jourah → Village (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Village/Union_Council_jourah&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I have no idea what the intended purpose of this redirect is. signed,Rosguill talk 21:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Union Council is a low-level administrative division in some South Asian countries. We don't have an article about any union council or village named "Jourah", and the redirect uses a rather unhelpful disambiguator anyway, so wouldn't be needed even if we had such an article. – Uanfala (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
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Crown of England
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  MBisanz  talk 20:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Crown of England → List of English monarchs (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crown_of_England&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Potential retarget to The Crown or Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom. The current target isn't particularly closely related to the crown; it's just a list of individuals who wore or embodied the crown. The Crown discusses the history of the concept, including its origins in England before the union with Scotland, so I think it would be a better target. However, Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom could be a good target too, since it covers the literal crown, including the headgear worn by English monarchs before the union with Scotland. So what's the best place? Nyttend (talk) 22:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Without a specific history section at The Crown, I prefer Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom. I'm not 100% sold on the idea that any retarget is needed, though. Disambiguate, maybe? --BDD (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate, the current target is not incorrect as "crown" is used as a metonym for the monarchy, although Monarchy of the United Kingdom might be a better target, but it is obviously also used for the physical object. A disambig listing the current target, Monarchy of the United Kingdom, The Crown and Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom would seem to cover all the bases. Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Bumblejumper
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Cliffjumper.  MBisanz  talk 20:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Bumblejumper → Lists of Transformers characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bumblejumper&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bumblejumper (Transformers) → Lists of Transformers characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bumblejumper_(Transformers)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As per Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 June 3, "Bumper" and "Bumblejumper" refer to the same character. I'm not convinced that deletion was the right call, but there's no reason why these should be handled any differently. PC78 (talk) 18:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Cliffjumper which is the only place we have any useful coverage. Deletion is preferable to keeping though.Thryduulf (talk) 09:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Flying reptiles
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Flying and gliding animals. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 09:16, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Flying reptiles → Pterosaur (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flying_reptiles&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pterosaurs are not the only flying reptiles, there are various extant types of flying and gliding reptiles as well as flying dinosaurs and of course dragons. PC78 (talk) 17:56, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Flying and gliding animals, which discusses the subject. The article has separate sections for existing and extinct reptiles, so I wouldn't suggest making it an R to section. - Eureka Lott 01:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Good call, I'd be happy with that. PC78 (talk) 09:58, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Retargeting seems like the better solution. FunkMonk (talk) 10:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ’’’Keep’’’ - Dinosaurs are not reptiles. No extant reptiles can fly, only glide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NessieVL (talk • contribs) 19:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Phylogenetically dinosaurs are reptiles, as are birds. If one considers crocodiles and pterosaurs reptiles, then one must also consider dinosaurs reptiles. I don't know what taxonomic system would label dinosaurs non-reptiles except maybe that of David Peters.
 * Not that I have a say but I would support a retarget. 140.122.57.53 (talk) 20:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, gliding flight is a form of flight. PC78 (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget per EurekaLott. Thryduulf (talk) 09:06, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Founder's seat
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Makru language
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  MBisanz  talk 20:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Makru language → Mehek language (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Makru_language&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Maybe I missed it, but can't find this mentioned in the target article.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 17:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep. Papuan languages are often referred to by village and other locality names. Makru is one of the names listed in Ethnologue. Foley (2018) lists Makru as one of the areas where Mehek is spoken. Sagotreespirit (talk) 09:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep per Sagotreespirit, although it would be best if that was added to the article. Thryduulf (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Socialist Party (Italy, July 2007)
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Pseudoegyptology
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When waiting is filled
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * When waiting is filled → Stranger in a Strange Land (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=When_waiting_is_filled&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This doesn't seem to be an appropriate redirect – not mentioned at the target; even after a quick search, I couldn't find a quote containing this. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It a line from the book—"“You will sleep, when waiting is filled"—but we don't make every sentence in a book into a redirect on the off-chance someone enters it into the search box. &#8209; Iridescent 15:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete A phrase from the book not significant enough to mention in the article, as compared to the redirect Water brother. Schazjmd   (Talk)  15:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipidya
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  MBisanz  talk 20:21, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipidya → Wikipedia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipidya&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo Abote2 (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, people who write or type in the face of spell-correct, and with the level of the education system (cursive isn't being taught in most schools), might be lucky to get the name this right. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete very implausible. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible.  Edgeweyes (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Only plausible on Colemak, and just barely. The "y" key is above and to the right of the "e" key. While it gives the redirect a reason to exist, it won't hurt to let it go. Invalid OS (talk) 12:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How many people use Colemak? And how many Colemak typo redirects do we have? UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:46, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per implausibility.  I apologize in advance if this comes across as hostile, but that's one of the dumbest rationales I've heard.  Trying to link the lack of cursive taught in schools with the plausibility of this spelling error is just asinine.  See this very short blog post about the Golden Age fallacy.  Even if you had some concrete evidence about the spelling ability of the general public declining, and even if you evidence linking that to the education system, this would still be implausible, because it doesn't follow any sort of typical phonetic pattern that someone might be trying to follow.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (and per stable long-term use, surprise answer below). My dumbness exceeds my asininess, but just by a little. A family curse. By the way, here is the edit count for the last ninety days. Anyone looking for this title since June 11 can be ignored, that's when this delete request went up. But yes, I may be wrong, and the people that stumbled into this spelling before that may have been a little bit tipsy or are just into new ways of spelling words. In any case, this spelling has views, it is being searched for, and the people who spell it this way have been directed towards 'Wikipedia' ever since this page was created in (back in a minute with the surprise answer) March of 2006. I have socks younger than that. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Of no use to native English speakers, but phonetically plausible for many of those for whom English is a second language. This also happens to be the correct name for wikipedia in Quechua and Aymara, but we don't have any relevant articles to redirect to. – Uanfala (talk) 16:41, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per "phonetic spelling" argument above. I remember handwritten signs at Wikimania 2016 that said "Welcome Wikipidians". Deryck C. 12:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, as this is a plausible phonetic spelling per above. Thryduulf (talk) 09:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Gilling (textiles)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Heckling (flax).  MBisanz  talk 20:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gilling (textiles)">Gilling (textiles) → Combing (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilling_(textiles)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think this redirect should ever have been created. I should have been left as a redlink. Gilling (textiles) is used in only one article, the article on Worsted, where it explicitly says: "Pasture wool was not carded; instead it was washed, gilled and combed" so it renders two wikilinks to combing, when the context strongly implies "gilling" is a process distinct from "combing"'. If gilling is a distinct notable topic then Gilling (textiles) should point to a distinct article on that topic. If gilling is not a notable topic, there should be no Gilling (textiles) wikilink, including no redirect. And, until that article is created, this should be a redlink. The redirect was clearly created in error. Geo Swan (talk) 01:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I do think the redirect is justified- though I am out of my comfort zone when it come to animal fibres- Lancashire did cotton. https://www.woolwise.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/.../Wool-482-582-08-T-10.pdf gives a complete description of drafting with a pin giller. With in the textile field the topic is notable and has multiple potential references. It is just that a separate article has not yet been written. It is wl-ed from sliver (textiles) too. I had hoped that a hobby weaver would have picked up the link and written an article. The redirect is correctly placed- as it most mentioned in the Combing lead. There is a problem with two wls in one sentence with the same target but redlinking is not the answer. Any further proposals? ClemRutter (talk) 07:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to heckling (flax) which explains the origin of the process. Andrew D. (talk) 08:38, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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Full translation of the Behistun Inscription
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Taking the AfD, the relevant discussion about importing the page history to the English Wikisource (which resulted in a successful import), and this discussion into account, I see that the largest common denominator is to delete the soft redirect that was left behind after the AfD. Deryck C. 13:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Full translation of the Behistun Inscription → s:The Sculptures and Inscription of Darius the Great on the Rock of Behistûn in Persia/Annotated/The Persian Text (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Full_translation_of_the_Behistun_Inscription&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Convert to wikisource redirect per WP:SOFTTEMP or delete. Plain soft redirect is. Doesn't really meet the criteria for soft redirecting to a sister project outlined at WP:SOFTSISP. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 16:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikisource redirect. pretty much works for me. I would advise against deletion since this is a matter currently being discussed on WP:AN. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as soft redirect. What the nom forget to mention was that this page was removed by an AFD discussion on WP:NOT grounds. A template that invites recreation is therefore not appropriate.  It is also not helpful that it suggests searching Wikipedia for an article that is not going to be found. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 18:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFTSISP does not proscribe using soft redirect, it explicitly offers it as a possibility. I note that most of the pages in the Wikisource redirect category actually started out as soft redirects.  The only reason the soft redirect category is empty is that they have been systematically converted to the Wikisource template – very likely including some equally inappropriate ones. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 18:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Behistun Inscription. It's unusual to point to an External links section, but "hard" links are preferred to soft ones when practical. I've added a Wikisource link there, and there are a couple of other links to various English translations. This will do the most good for readers. --BDD (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's circular. It's a nonsense to redirect to an article that links to the redirect – in three separate places! <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 15:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I would not recommend adding such a link. This should remain unlinked in mainspace. --BDD (talk) 16:11, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. It doesn't violate WP:CIRCRED since it aids navigation by linking to the bottom of the article. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 03:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * pinging AFD participants. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 15:49, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * pinging ANB discussion participants. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 15:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Is someone really going to come to Wikipedia and search for "Full translation of Foo" rather than just searching for Foo? This seems to be the only page in all of Wikipedia that begins with "Full translation of . . . ." so I have to conclude it is a highly unlikely search phrase. Much more likely is that someone will just search for Behistun Inscription, so once the situation with the article at Wikisource stabilizes, mention of that Wikisourse page on the Behistun Inscription page would be quite helpful, but I don't see why we need to do gymnastics to figure out a redirect target for a never-likely-to-be-used search phrase that doesn't really need a redirect at all.  So, Delete (once AN, Wikisource and possible DRV issues have been resolved). Agricolae (talk) 16:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The links to Full translation of the Behistun Inscription are mostly placed below quotations from said translation. Would it be permissable for those links to send the interested reader to the page on Wikisource directly? Then it doesn't matter what happens to this redirect... Furius (talk) 19:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I imagine that wouldn't be too great for the outside links as sometimes likes to mention. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 20:09, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The links I saw were: 1) in See Also sections - these should be removed or replaced with a Wikisource pointer - you don't use See Also for a redirect, particularly one that points off Wikipedia; 2) references to the Behistun Inscription that were inexplicably piped instead to the Full Translation page; 3) awkward/unnatural piping of common phrases so that the same sentence could be linked to both the Full Translation and the Behistun Inscription pages and (as with the previous set) are entirely unnecessary given that the Behistun Inscription page has a Wikisource pointer and External Links to other translations, so just like pointing to the soft redirect, pointing to Behistun Inscription brings the reader one click away from the source, but has the advantage of being a full page of information; 4) similarly awkward/unnatural linking of common phrases in lieu of using a citation for the sentence, not the way we are supposed to provide verifiability; 5) one example in which a footnote consisted entirely of the link without further information, in violation of WP:CIRCULAR and 6) used under quotes or within more detailed footnotes. Only the last of these really have any value at all, and I don't see why we should treat these any different than quotes from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle or the Codice de Roda or the Epic of Gilgamesh, none of which we cite by linking to a soft redirect page.  Had this page never been, there would be no question of creating such a redirect page just to cite the source, and that should guide how we deal with a page that the AfD basically concluded should never have existed. Agricolae (talk) 23:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I have begun retargeting some of these to Behistun Inscription, starting with those that should be pointing there independent of the outcome of this discussion, so you won't find all of the types I talked about any more. Agricolae (talk) 20:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I would be fine with a delete and retarget of the incoming links. It is the inappropriate template that I object to. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 23:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * Hmm. Agree with Agricolae that it's not something we would ever create. But since it did exist it might be reasonable to do something more than just deleting it (I originally tagged it for speedy after it was transwikied). A template similar to (modulo the concerns raised about its contents and phrasing above) would be quite reasonable IMO. But the incoming links should then be changed to point at Behistun Inscription (top level) and a normal link to Wikisource placed in its last section (sisterlinks go in the last non-empty section iirc, not extlinks as such): there is little value in mainspace links to a soft interwiki redirect (it's a potential search target, or target of links from offsite, more than internally useful on enwp). I would also not object to just deleting it outright (with the same result for incoming links etc.). --Xover (talk) 09:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This should have been A5d instead of leaving this implausible (per Agricolae above) redirect behind. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 20:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * I do not oppose deletion. --BDD (talk) 14:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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Bernando LaPallo
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Reno, Arizona
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of ghost towns in Arizona.  MBisanz  talk 20:19, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Reno, Arizona">Reno, Arizona → Reno, Nevada (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reno,_Arizona&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Reno, AZ">Reno, AZ → Reno, Nevada (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reno,_AZ&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I understand Reno, Utah redirecting to Reno, Nevada, since Nevada split off from the Utah territory. But Reno, Arizona? Never was Reno in the Arizona Territory, or the State of Arizona.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 08:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * apparently there was a Reno, AZ at one time, so yeah, this seems inappropriate. Dave (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect both to List of ghost towns in Arizona. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 18:42, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see evidence that "Camp Reno" was ever known as simply "Reno". The proper redirect would be Camp Reno, Arizona, but that is better off as a WP:REDLINK per WP:GEOLAND unless an article can be written (note other articles at Category:Ghost towns in Arizona). Fort McDowell, Arizona also has context for a potential article. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:03, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. My only point was to imply that having Reno, Arizona redirect to Reno, Nevada is quite inappropriate. In addition to the reason stated in the nomination, if someone did search for Reno, Arizona they probably meant this ghost town, even though not named identically. It appears either the list article or Fort McDowell would be appropriate redirect targets, as well as creating new redirects for Camp Reno, Arizona. Dave (talk) 22:14, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to List of ghost towns in Arizona per Nihonjoe. I understand Tavix's argument, but it is very plausible that someone will have misremebered or misheard the ghost town as just "Reno" given the prominence of Reno, Nevada, so overall I see it as a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:16, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you really think that it would be more plausible that someone would misremember the name of an obscure encampment that has received next-to-no coverage over misremembering the state that Reno, Nevada is in? -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per Tavix. From the source given, Camp Reno was a temporary military encampment. The stores mentioned lightly suggest some some degree of permanence, but really, I'm not even sure this meets WP:GEOLAND. Redirects for hypothetical alternate names are really a bridge too far. --BDD (talk) 17:51, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget Above I commented, but did not!vote. In trying to find more information to get me off the fence and on one side of this debate, I did find these:  . These would meet Wikipedia's criteria as reliable sources, and the first link, while acknowledging the proper name is "Camp Reno", truncates the name to Reno in a few places in the article. That's enough to convince me that referring to this area as Reno is at least occasionally done by those interested in Arizona history. Dave (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Relativity drive
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  MBisanz  talk 20:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Relativity drive → RF resonant cavity thruster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Relativity_drive&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Used by inventor briefly during a 2006 PR spree to refer to his failed invention. An uncommon term for a fringe concept, which does not involve relativity at all. – SJ + 21:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, the term is used in sources and it is used exclusively to refer to this concept so it is correct and unambiguous. Being uncommon is not a reason on its own to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 08:11, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There's just a single source that uses it in the article, though (it's from 2006), and it's just in that reference title rather than the body. Being uncommon really is reason enough—it sounds a lot like WP:RFD #8 to me. If "relativity drive" isn't actually novel or obscure, we should be able to demonstrate that. --BDD (talk) 18:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per BDD. If this is used in sources exclusively to refer to this concept, that should be reflected in the article. It is not. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * The New Scientist is hardly unreliable or obscure, and there are many discussions that stem from or reference this article, including Hansard, a essays (notably including this one (PDF)) and literally hundreds of others. Wired also uses the term but I'm uncertain if that is related to the New Scientist article or not. That the main source is from 2006 is not at all relevant - people finding the articles, essays, debates, etc. from that period will use this term to find our article today. This is nowhere close to R#DELETE #8. Thryduulf (talk) 09:34, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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