Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 15

November 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 15, 2019.

Berhows school shooting
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Berhows school shooting → Saugus High School shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berhows_school_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Berhow school shooting → Saugus High School shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berhow_school_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Betts restaurant shooting → 2019 Dayton shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Betts_restaurant_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bett restaurant shooting → 2019 Dayton shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bett_restaurant_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

See also Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_October_8 and Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_15. Please nuke the whole set of new redirects created by this user. --- Coffee  and crumbs  23:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Crusius Walmart shooting → 2019 El Paso shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crusius_Walmart_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Betts restaurant shooting
 * Bett restaurant shooting
 * Crusius Walmart shooting --- Coffee  and crumbs  23:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Crimes are not named after the perpetrator. WWGB (talk) 04:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note Other than Berhows school shooting none of these redirects had been tagged, I've done that now and added the correct formatting above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Bett restaurant shooting is a . Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I know it's not standard procedure to name an event after the perpetrator but as an alternate name a syntax of the shooter and a syntax about the institution targeted in the attack seems logical. The existance of other such wiki examples seems enough to brand it an alternate name. You may keep the ones that's after a move and delete the ones before a move (Bett restaurant shooting - Berhows school shooting).TheAngelSeper (talk) 21:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Absent evidence of real-world usage, these are on-wiki invented neologisms, not legitimate alternative names. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Berhow school shooting
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Berhow school shooting → Saugus High School shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berhow_school_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is not an alternative name that has been used by reliable sources, and it violates WP:BLPCRIME. See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 8. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – Definitely violates WP:BLPCRIME as well. --- Coffee  and crumbs  21:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Crimes are not named after the perpetrator. WWGB (talk) 23:00, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is not the custom here to label a shooting with the person's name and it is not being used in popular media either. -- Fuzheado &#124; Talk 03:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep As per above. TheAngelSeper (talk) 21:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Absent evidence of real-world usage, this is an on-wiki invented neologism, not a legitimate alternative name. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:UFA/BOT
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  / retarget. Essentially the same situation as below. --BDD (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * UFA/BOT → Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:UFA/BOT&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused shortcut, I don't know that UAA was ever known as UFA, but it certainly hasn't been for at least a decade. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:37, 29 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Similar to the one above, this does get some uses (although not as many) and there is no actual problem with this shortcut so deletion will not benefit the project in any way. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete as unused (unlike the ~150–200 annual page views for "Wikipedia:AIVU" above, this shortcut receives less than 10), or retarget to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per 's well cited rationale above. Would support retargeting, but arguably, delete is better as it's not clear how often this is used. --Doug Mehus T · C  02:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 18:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I would also support retargetting but not deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I see no reason this should be deleted when WP:UFA exists. Retarget to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:AIVU/BOT
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus , but retarget to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot given the intent. --BDD (talk) 14:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * AIVU/BOT → Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:AIVU/BOT&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused, nonsensical shortcut. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - stats show this is used, and it's not in the way of anything else so deletion would not bring any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 08:51, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot, which seems to have been the redirect intention.— Searingjet // talk // contribs 17:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:25, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per below or Retarget (prefer delete per  below) to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot, per, for now. I've just noticed that shortcut recently while reading part of a WP space article. This should be without prejudice to re-nomination in 12 months if it is still under-used. --Doug Mehus (talk) 00:05, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as unused (unlike the ~150–200 annual page views for "Wikipedia:AIVU" above, this shortcut receives less than 10), or retarget to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 18:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I see no reason this should be deleted when WP:AIVU exists. Retarget to Usernames for administrator attention/Bot. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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Blut & Kasse
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Even if this group only technically currently appear on one discography target, there's no reason to assume that would continue. Hence there's a general consensus that readers might be better served by the search function, with the view that other appearances may pop up elsewhere on Wikipedia. ~  mazca  talk 00:26, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Blut & Kasse">Blut & Kasse → Sido discography (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blut_%26_Kasse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

NN musical act which is mentioned in passing only in two discographies, this one and Ufo361 discography. Pointing to one discography and not the other is disengenious to readers, better to let them use the search function. Richhoncho (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I don't see it mentioned in the target article at all. I do see the mention at Ufo361 discography. --BDD (talk) 21:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Ufo361 discography given the above, "weak" because I suspect the act could pop up in another article at any point. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 14:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that this group could pop up in another discography anytime. Artist to artwork redirects should be used sparingly. Deryck C. 11:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete' as a performer-to-performance redirect, where the performer is associated with more than just one performance. These types of redirects can be surprising for readers, and can lead to confusing/misleading linking within articles. It is better to let readers navigate through the Search function and keep the title a red link (incidentally, anyone who currently searches for this title will see Ufo361 discography as the only search result, so deletion will not hinder navigation). -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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I forbid
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 28%23I forbid

The Batman (2018 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Batman (2018 film)">The Batman (2018 film) → Batman in film (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Batman_(2018_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a 2018 film. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  05:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as not released in 2018. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 16:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, as misleading. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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The Darkest Places
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Panic (MxPx album). (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The Darkest Places → Supergirl (season 2) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Darkest_Places&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is not the episode's name. There's no source this was ever the name. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  04:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Panic (MxPx album) as as this is the lead track from that album, and nowhere else on Wikipedia is this used other than as part of a sentence. A Google search brings up a partial title match for a non-notable book about unsolved mysteries and lists of places that are good for stargazing/astronomy. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Panic (MxPx album) per Thryduulf. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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