Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 19

November 19
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 19, 2019.

Bad ass climber
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:32, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Bad ass climber → Aron Ralston (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bad_ass_climber&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This might reasonably apply to other climbers besides Mr. Ralston. I've found a few articles where he's described in similar terms, but no indication that it's his particular nickname. Cheers, gnu 57 22:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - non-neutral, generic term. -Zanhe (talk) 09:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - nothing specific to this particular climber. Onel 5969  TT me 11:47, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:NPOV violation that is not an alternative name of the target. Steel1943  (talk) 13:35, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment There is nothing wrong with having a non-neutral name for a redirect. So, this isn't a WP:BLP or WP:NPOV violation. As I understand it, from administrators like who commented at Creepy porn lawyer, our standards for neutrality and BLP issues are much lower with redirects. We even have a non-neutral tag by which we can tag redirects. Having said that, I don't see this being a common nickname for Aron Ralston. I suspect a fan of his redirected this positive view of him to his Wikipedia article. So, I'd tend to favour delete here. Also, per nom, who said it best as well, it's too generic:  there's lots of "bad ass climbers" and not a clear primary topic. As an alternative, we could, in theory, create a dab page? ;-) --Doug Mehus  T · C  01:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * read WP:RNEUTRAL. It's not that our standards are lower, it's just that different considerations can apply. It's not quite correct to say that "there is nothing wrong with having a non-neutral name for redirect", rather "some non-neutral redirects are appropriate". In this specific case it's definitely not a BLP-violation and while it is non-neutral that's not the most significant issue. The issue with this redirect is that it's a generic description that is not specific to the target - while he may be a bad ass climber it is not used as a nickname or similar for him and other climbers have an equal claim to the description. If we had a List of climbers described as bad ass or List of bad ass climbers or similar then this would make a fine redirect to it, but we don't so delete as ambiguous is the best course of action. Thryduulf (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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Chinese toys
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:32, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Chinese toys → 2007 Chinese export recalls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_toys&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a redirect from a broad topic to one particular incident involving toys manufactured in China. I think that a redlink would be more useful, since currently list of Chinese games and toys doesn't exist. (There's a short mention of traditional games and toys at Chinese culture, but it's really insubstantial). Cheers, gnu 57 22:32, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - misleading redirect. -Zanhe (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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Payback (loyalty card)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 29%23Payback (loyalty card)

Melky
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 16:36, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Melky → Melky Cabrera (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melky&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. "Melky" is ambiguous and is the given name of several notable people with articles. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Create set index article, as that is a valid alternative to deletion. I have drafted one. Geolodus (talk) 20:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Create set index as above. Cabrera isn't the primary topic for the name. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This redirect should be a dab page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:49, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Why not just make it that then? Your !vote is self-contradictory. Geolodus (talk) 07:32, 23 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Convert to given name page per Geolodus. - Eureka Lott 23:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Tiscali International Network
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 29%23Tiscali International Network

Electreon
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Electreon → Electric road (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electreon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suspect this is more likely to be accessed as a misspelling of electron, rather than Electreon technology. Oxon Alex   - talk  18:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is the exact spelling for Electreon technology, so the redirect is unambiguous and will lead readers to the correct target (per WP:R). There are other misspellings of electron that don't have or need redirects, and electron should appear in the search results as this is being typed. No need to keep an R from typo when a better target exists. ComplexRational (talk) 00:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as described in the article, but hatnote to Electron in case they made a typo. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:29, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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James Deel
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * James Deel → Eminem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Deel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. Was originally created as a redirect to Chaos Kid, then retargeted to his group, Soul Intent, then retargeted again to Eminem. Since Chaos Kid's article has been deleted, and the Soul Intent article only exists as a redirect to Eminem. The only other option here, is delete. Mysticair667537 (talk) 13:09, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, redirect appears to make no sense - no apparent connection.  PK  T (alk)  13:50, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete also confusing with James Dio. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Max Asher
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  ., can you get the draft ready now? (non-admin closure) ミラP 20:29, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Max Asher → Warrant (American band) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Max_Asher&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's a Draft:Max Asher that proposes that it be disambiguated. Currently it redirects to Warrant, but there is now an actor page that got through to mainspace and two other redirects to television shows that have a main character with the same name but no further information beyond that they are named in the cast. Should Max Asher point to the band member, the actor, or the disambiguation page in draft? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ,, who edited and/or reviewed the disambiguation draft.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:46, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate. Max Asher is a frequently occurring name. Ambrosiawater (talk) 08:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, obviously. Multiple persons of some notability with same name. Redirecting to a band that one of them played in was just weird. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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