Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 24

November 24
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 24, 2019.

Fetus deletus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Fetus deletus → Abortion (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fetus_deletus&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

...is this really the purpose of Wikipedia? Potentially fails WP:R criterion 3. Utopes (talk) 21:50, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Google tells me this is a meme, but offers no evidence that it has gained notability (it doesn't even have its own page at Know Your Meme) and there is (and should be) no mention of it in the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. About as valid as "yeet" redirecting to "throw."  Triacylglyceride (talk) 13:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Triacylglyceride, what are you opposing? The deletion of the redirect or its existence? --Paul_012 (talk) 15:30, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeet has been speedily deleted seven times (G1, G7, A3, A11) and has been salted since 2015, but it has never been a redirect, to throw or anywhere else. Wiktionary wikt:yeet includes this as a word originating on the internet and popularised in 2014 that has several definitions, including "To throw an object a long distance or with a sudden or forceful motion." with citations from 2018 and 2019. So this could be a !vote to keep it as a popular culture redirect, or it could be a !vote to delete it as "yeet" would not be a good redirect to "throw" as other definitions of the word are a type of dance and "to move quickly". Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable neologism. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – meme that is unlikely search term. UnnamedUser (open talk page) 22:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
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Draft:Untitled Terminator film
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Draft:Untitled Terminator film → Terminator: Dark Fate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Terminator_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Terminator (upcoming film) → Terminator: Dark Fate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Terminator_(upcoming_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Terminator reboot → Terminator: Dark Fate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Terminator_reboot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled sixth Terminator film → Terminator: Dark Fate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_sixth_Terminator_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article namespaces of these redirects were deleted at RFD. These ones should be deleted too. Mysticair667537 (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Some of these had content that was merged into the article, and must be kept for attribution. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I looked at the edit history on these four redirects and they have no merged content in them. Mysticair667537 (talk) 16:10, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake. I was looking at Draft:Terminator (2019 film), which has not been nominated. Sorry for the confusion. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as housekeeping and as useful as Untitled Star Wars film AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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Remaining redirects with "langauge"
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 4%23Remaining redirects with "langauge"

Fire starting
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 4%23Fire starting

Ignition device
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ignition (disambiguation). (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Ignition device → Fire making (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ignition_device&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Perhaps retarget to Ignition interlock device, else delete per WP:XY. The target makes no mention of the term, and it could just as well mean a safety match or a spark plug (which according to my Internet search seems a common crossword answer for this clue) or almost anything capable of starting combustion. 94.21.78.76 (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ignition switch is also a potential target for this. - Eureka Lott 18:42, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As are Ignition system and Ignition coil. So retarget to Ignition (disambiguation) (possibly the Ignition (disambiguation) section), where I'll add Ignition interlock device. Thryduulf (talk) 14:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I can support that retarget option, but since this was previously an article about fire starting, it probably would be best to omit a section link. - Eureka Lott 19:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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Media propaganda
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The issue of what to do with the target article falls outside the scope of this RfD, but it can and should be discussed elsewhere (e.g. the article's talk page), and the redirect can be renominated if appropriate. (non-admin closure) ComplexRational (talk) 21:03, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Media propaganda → Propaganda through media (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Media_propaganda&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as WP:XY. There was an RfD discussion at the end of last year resulting in a speedy "retarget", but not to address the XY issue (it used to target Ethnic stereotype).

There are possible targets Propaganda and Propaganda through media (and perhaps others), hence XY. I will argue elsewhere that since all propaganda requires a medium through which to propagate, the very title "Propaganda through media" is ill-conceived, but considering that there are no incoming links in article space, and that it never gets more than a couple of hits per day, deletion is the best option for this redirect.

User:MarioGom has suggested by that the target be merged or deleted, but that has not been formally proposed. 94.21.78.76 (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as the target most closely matches what someone is likely to be looking for using this search term (if they wanted the general propaganda article they almost certainly wouldn't qualify it, and it's linked in the very first sentence of the target anyway). Thryduulf (talk) 14:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep You can find a lot of references to propaganda in the media when do a search given the current concern over propaganda in the social media, it is therefore a likely search term. Perhaps the target article is not well-conceived (it is primarily about propaganda in the social media), but deleting the redirect serves no useful purpose at all. Arguably it can be redirected to Propaganda instead, although people searching for "media propaganda" would likely have a more specific issue in mind, e.g. propaganda in broadcasting, news media, or social media.  There is an entry for Media of propaganda in Encyclopedia Britannica under Propaganda, perhaps the target article can be rewritten in that vein, or simply change it to "Propaganda in the social media", but that is a separate issue from the redirect. Hzh (talk) 13:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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Religious vilification
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3%23Religious vilification

Arsura River
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . by restoring the disambiguation page. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 17:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Arsura River → Pruteț (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arsura_River&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Arsura" is not mentioned at the target Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Restore the disambiguation and all articles that made up the disambiguation, and retarget the diacritic versions to the restored articles respectively per the result of discussions at Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 25. I see the cleanup from those indiscriminate redirections is still ongoing. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Restore etc per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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Spindle (fire making)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3%23Spindle (fire making)