Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 4

November 4
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 4, 2019.

Vanze
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Vanze → NoCopyrightSounds (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vanze&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No known connection to this label. A previously sourced mention on the target was removed per WT:ALBUMS. Jalen Folf  (talk)  21:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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Champagne paragraphs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Champagne paragraphs → Treaty of Versailles (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Champagne_paragraphs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a bit of a confusing case. The creator of this redirect added the subsection that this redirect points to, but then self-reverted its addition. Thus, it's not clear whether they intend for this redirect to continue to serve some sort of purpose (the article as written makes no mention of Champagne in any context). German Wikipedia has an article about Champagne paragraphs, but that article's lone source is a primary source document (the treaty itself) that makes no mention of Champagne either. I wasn't able to find any mentions online or on Google Scholar. Thus, it's plausible that such a subject exists, and that it's related to the target, but we lack conclusive evidence, and meanwhile the article has nothing useful to provide a reader. I would suggest deletion. signed,Rosguill talk 20:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope the creator can shed some light here. Outside of Wikipedia, I just found one Google Books usage, though it strikes me as a pretty reasonable moniker for these paragraphs, Champagne being one of the best known of these sorts of products. The redirect is only useful with corresponding content in the article, though. --BDD (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete As things stand, we have a potentially novel (if logical) translation of a German term, referring to a topic not covered in the target article. Hate to say it, but unless content is added or we get more references, I don't see what else we can do. --BDD (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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Eric Gould Bear
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Eric Gould Bear → macOS version history (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Gould_Bear&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Eric Gould → macOS version history (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Gould&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Eric Bear → MacOS version history (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Bear&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Eric Gould Bear was originally an article about a user interface designer; he happened to have sued Apple, among other companies, for patent violations. There was a discussion about deleting that page at Articles for deletion/Eric Gould Bear; the conclusion was to redirect it to History of OS X, presumably because one of the comments in that discussion was to "Merge the bit about the patent infringement claims to History of OS X, delete the rest per WP:BLP1E.

Eric Gould was originally a redirect to Eric Gould Bear; it was turned into another redirect to History of OS X after Eric Gould Bear was, to avoid the double redirect.

However, History of OS X, now macOS version history, does not mention Eric Gould Bear or his suit, so these redirections no longer seem to serve a purpose. Guy Harris (talk) 20:38, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment added Eric Bear, which was also originally a redirect to Eric Gould Bear and was created by the same author. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:26, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hot cuts
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Firm Hand
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Firm Hand → Discredited HIV/AIDS origins theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Firm_Hand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Operation Firm Hand → Discredited HIV/AIDS origins theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Firm_Hand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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Bhrigu Nath Singh IIT Kgp
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Bhrigu Nath Singh IIT Kgp → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhrigu_Nath_Singh_IIT_Kgp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Prof BN Singh IIT Kharagpur → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prof_BN_Singh_IIT_Kharagpur&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Prof. BN Singh IIT Kgp → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prof._BN_Singh_IIT_Kgp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Prof. B.N. Singh IIT Kharagpur → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prof._B.N._Singh_IIT_Kharagpur&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Prof. B.N. Singh iit kgp → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prof._B.N._Singh_iit_kgp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * B.N. Singh iit kgp → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B.N._Singh_iit_kgp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Prof B.N. Singh → Bhrigu Nath Singh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prof_B.N._Singh&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirects from name, institution and titles, variously capitalised, all created by WP:SPA whose only significant contribution is the target article. Guy (help!) 20:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and WP:RFD, as highly unlikely/implausible redirects that are basically unused (less than 10 page views per year). -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:24, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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Grand Theft Horses
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  --BDD (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Grand Theft Horses → Red Dead Redemption (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Theft_Horses&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gta horse → Red Dead Redemption (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gta_horse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned on target page. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 08:54, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete Joke redirects? James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 14:40, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep for since this term has popped up in some news sources (Guardian, Mirror). Delete the other. PC78 (talk) 10:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep but create Grand Theft Horse to redirect to Greg Neri as one of his books. Add reception such as http://www.mtv.com/news/2460270/red-dead-redemption-is-basically-grand-theft-horseand-thats-a-good-thing/ and https://www.esquireme.com/content/31421-red-dead-redemption-online-is-gta-with-horses AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:20, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete Gta horse is perhaps obvious at this point. Despite the good reason PC78 gives, I think Grand Theft Horses should be deleted as unnecessarily confusing for readers. AngusWOOF brings up the almost identically named novel by Greg Neri and I don't trust readers wanting either will be too careful about the "s". I don't think either should have a hatnote, neither Grand theft horse redirects here, for the video game see RDR nor Grand theft horses redirects here, for the similarly named novel see Greg Neri seems particularly encyclopedic or of due weight. Another option would be to retarget it to Greg Neri per AngusWOOF, but generally I don't think it should stay targeted at Red Dead Redemption. Wug·a·po·des​ 04:38, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't really have a strong opinion about this redirect, but I do very strongly object to the idea that hatnotes need to be somehow encyclopaedic or of due weight. The only criteria for a hatnote should be whether it is likely someone searching for the other topic would arrive at the current page. If Grand Theft Horse and Grand Theft Horses both exist and lead to different pages then the potential for a reader to end up at the wrong target and thus confused seems very clear. Thryduulf (talk) 14:42, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Twelfty
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Long hundred. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 18:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Twelfty → 120 (number) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twelfty&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Weirdly redirects to the number 120 instead of the article "long hundred". I propose to retarget this to "long hundred". --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 18:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, the term is mentioned there in its more specific historical context. I'd also suggest adding a mention at 120 (number), though. ComplexRational (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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The Hold Over
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The Hold Over → K. Michelle discography (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hold_Over&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unable to find any mention at the target, nor at any of the albums listed by the artist. Unhelpful to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 17:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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Thomas Tobiasz
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Emma Sameth
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Emma Sameth → Bitbird (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emma_Sameth&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No known connection to this label. A previous mention was removed as it was found that the source to back a claim was unreliable. See also WT:ALBUMS. Jalen Folf  (talk)  15:13, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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Curent account balance
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Curent account balance → Current account (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Curent_account_balance&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

First, this has a typo in the title. Second, per WP:XY, this could refer to either day to day personal banking accounts or the current target which involves national economics. <b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b> <b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b> 13:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Current account balance exists and points to the same place. But Account balance points to Balance of payments, which is also about international trade. I would not expect them to have different targets. --BDD (talk) 16:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as an implausible search term due to the combination of the typo and the title that is longer the target article's title. The page was at this title for ~3 hours before it was moved, and the move history is preserved at Current account balance. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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Castejón–Bilbao railway
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 * The result of the discussion was move  article to Tudela–Bilbao railway. --BDD (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Castejón–Bilbao railway">Castejón–Bilbao railway → Casetas–Bilbao railway (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Castej%C3%B3n%E2%80%93Bilbao_railway&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No indication that the line is known by this name, or that it even passes through Castejón. Delete unless sources demonstrating this connection can be found. signed,Rosguill talk 15:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete per nom. This looks like a case of the article simply being created at the wrong name. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:23, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Move the target article? The article links to es:Ferrocarril Castejón-Bilbao, which appears to be a name for the railway in Spanish. However, all sources I can find from both the Spanish and English articles use Tudela instead of Castejón or Casetas. That, combined with the diagram showing the railway ending at Tudela makes me think that name should be used. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:15, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Move article to "Tudela–Bilbao railway" (1st choice) or "Castejón–Bilbao railway" (2nd choice), and keep all redirects with valid destination names. The issue at hand is analogous to a Wikidata:Bonnie and Clyde problem: Like all good passenger railways, the railway was built in stages. Bilbao is a dead-end terminus and also a major destination so it makes sense to be in the name, but you can pick any destination near the other end the railway to be the other representative destination in the railway's name. The candidates are Castejón for the first stop across the Rioja-Navarra border; Tudela for the first major interchange across the Rioja-Navarra border; these two options focus on the history of this railway line's construction. But one can also take Casetas / Zaragoza for the first station and first major interchange where one can branch off to a different railway line, based on modern train service patterns. All of these are valid and unambiguous ways to refer to the railway line so they are all valid redirect titles, but we must pick one article title, so I recommend following the cited sources and use Tudela. Deryck C. 11:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Move and keep redirects exactly per Deryck Chan. Thryduulf (talk) 12:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Yên Lạc, Bắc Kạn
<span id="Yên Lạc, Bắc Kạn"> <span id="Tân Mỹ, An Giang"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 17%23Yên Lạc, Bắc Kạn

Me and You (Marshmello song)
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  by Fastily per criterion G7. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Me and You (Marshmello song)">Me and You (Marshmello song) → Marshmello discography (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Me_and_You_(Marshmello_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Me & You (Marshmello song)">Me & You (Marshmello song) → Marshmello discography (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Me_%26_You_(Marshmello_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at target, seems to be an implausible alternative title for another redirect, You & Me (Marshmello song). Richhoncho (talk) 12:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * G7'd. Hayman30 (talk) 12:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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Acid storm
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Redirects with "langauge"
<span id="French (langauge)"> <span id="Java (programming langauge)">    <span id="Pascal (programming langauge)">  <span id="C (programming langauge)">                         <span id="CS-4 (programming langauge)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 11%23Redirects with "langauge"

The Blip
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