Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 17

October 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 17, 2019.

Comptine
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comptine → Nursery rhyme (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comptine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems like a case of WP:FORRED. Comptine is the French term for nursery rhyme, but it's not clear that this is a term used in any variety of English. signed,Rosguill talk 23:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There's nothing inherently French about nursery rhymes so it's not reasonable to have an alt language link. Wug·a·po·des​ 04:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hindudesh
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Nabi Tajima (Q17686907)
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 * The result of the discussion was Already deleted I nominated it for WP:G7 (non-admin closure) — IVORK Talk 23:46, 20 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Nabi Tajima (Q17686907) → Nabi Tajima (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nabi_Tajima_(Q17686907)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm always a bit uncertain with these wikidata redirects, but I'm pretty sure I see them being consistently deleted whenever they're brought here. signed,Rosguill talk 23:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's quite improbable that one would search a Wikidata identifier outside Wikidata, or that the average reader searching here (on Wikipedia) is familiar with Wikidata. No particular affinity for this subject either. ComplexRational (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Straightfoward implausible redirect; should be speedyable as R3. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as implausible. (See also #8 at Redirect.) Geolodus (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * You didn't create this page, did. You simply moved it, which is an exception of WP:G7. I won't object to 's deletion because it's obvious this would have been deleted in due time, but please make note of this for future reference. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 00:16, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Brazier, Joseph
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 * The result of the discussion was Already deleted (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Brazier, Joseph → Joseph Brazier (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazier,_Joseph&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect for a sorting name assumes the article is about an individual. It is not - it is about a gunmaking firm. The individual the firm was named for is not covered in the article. Toddst1 (talk) 23:09, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Deleted as created in error. bd2412  T 23:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Smallville characters
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Baern (Smallville)">Baern (Smallville) → List of Smallville characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baern_(Smallville)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Aldar (Smallville)">Aldar (Smallville) → List of Smallville characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aldar_(Smallville)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Whitney Foreman → List of Smallville characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Foreman&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wes Keenan → List of Smallville characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wes_Keenan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Aethyr (Smallville)">Aethyr (Smallville) → List of Smallville characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aethyr_(Smallville)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article Gonnym (talk) 20:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Exile(Smallville episode)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Exile(Smallville episode)">Exile(Smallville episode) → Smallville (season 3) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exile(Smallville_episode)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect with typo - no space between name and brackets. Exile (Smallville) exists as a redirect. Gonnym (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:RDAB. PC78 (talk) 22:26, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Draft:Battle For Dream Island
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 * The result of the discussion was   speedy delete. MER-C 09:01, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Draft:Battle For Dream Island → Draft:Battle for Dream Island (series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Battle_For_Dream_Island&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is to the article for the series, but is holding up the move of the draft for the eponymous first season. I am hesitant to use a G6 for this purpose. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Holding up a move for which draft? PC78 (talk) 22:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User:LittleAwesomeApple/sandbox/Battle for Dream Island to Draft:Battle For Dream Island. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * We have some confusion because of inconsistent use of upper case in draft names. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the series have priority over the first season? In any case, "Battle for Dream Island" is the correct capitalisation so just move it to Draft:Battle for Dream Island. PC78 (talk) 14:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Procedural close if it's a move request to draft, Delete if considering if series/season draft, as currently stands, is notable for mainspace If you're asking for it to replace the redirect, then it should be handled at WP:RM/TR. The draft over at 's sandbox is unsourced so if it were to be submitted, it would be declined for no sources. If you're asking whether Battle for Dream Island is notable? Battle for Dream Island (mainspace article) was CSD A7 multiple times and deleted/page protected in mainspace back in 2013. Nothing's really improved in sourcing for Draft:Battle for Dream Island (series)  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom if I'm understanding correctly—that is, that the userspace draft is in better shape than the current target. I'm skeptical that the topic is going to meet WP:GNG, but it makes sense to consolidate draft work at the base title (within draft space). --BDD (talk) 20:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait, no. We'd really want the draft to be at Draft:Battle for Dream Island, but that's been salted after MfD. Pinging closing admin / salter User:MER-C. Maybe we're better off without any of this. --BDD (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I handed out a bunch of G4 speedy deletions (MFD 1 MFD 2). MER-C 09:01, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Kate Ashley
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Barring an article at the Kate name, the points made by the keeps are convincing. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 10:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Kate Ashley → Kat Ashley (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kate_Ashley&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ref #3 uses the spelling, but that is a self-published site. The question is whether Kate → Kat is an "implausible" typo (WP:R #8). I lean towards yes but am generally not competent on the topic of English given names and diminutives.

(Came here via Help_desk where a living Kate Ashley asks for deletion, but for a non-policy reason.) Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 14:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, definitely it is. Kate is a far commoner diminutive of Katherine than Kat is. I think it's very plausible that someone might type that by mistake. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment is it used anywhere else besides the one site? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm sympathetic to the actress who requested deletion, especially given the reception she received here, but this does seem like either a plausible error or alternative name for the Elizabethan figure. And anyway, I don't think it's a career-killer for an actress to have the same name as a Tudor-era woman! --BDD (talk) 20:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Kanisa
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of Christian terms in Arabic. I'm generally pretty sympathetic to FORRED concerns, but we've got a listing, so might as well make use of it, even if it does point to wiktionary. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 10:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Kanisa → Catholic Church (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kanisa&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a generic Arabic (and Swahili and probably several other languages') word for "church" pointing to one specific church. I suggest delete per WP:FORRED. Not suitable for disambiguation as every page containing this term is just a WP:PTM. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 14:10, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. This does not seem useful even for speakers of these languages. Geolodus (talk) 18:00, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Christian terms in Arabic as listed there. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Christian terms in Arabic per AngusWOOF. There's some interesting context there for such a brief definition. --BDD (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Bill Weasel
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to destinations suggested by AngusWOOF. --BDD (talk) 20:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Bill Weasel → List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Weasel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Colonel Rimfire → List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonel_Rimfire&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Ralph Phillips (Looney Tunes)">Ralph Phillips (Looney Tunes) → List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ralph_Phillips_(Looney_Tunes)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Obscure Looney Tunes characters, none of whom are mentioned at the target article so the redirects are of no help to the reader. None of these are former articles, hence none have any substantive history. PC78 (talk) 04:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget Bill Weasel to Foghorn Leghorn, Colonel Rimfire to Cool Cat (Looney Tunes), Ralph Phillips to Boyhood Daze, all of which have mentions of these specific characters. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:46, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a bit random. Bill Weasel is not mentioned at Foghorn Leghorn; Ralph Philips first appears in From A to Z-Z-Z-Z. PC78 (talk) 04:39, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait, I see the reference to "a weasel called 'Bill'" in the Foghorn article. PC78 (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 13:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy with a retarget to Foghorn Leghorn, Cool Cat (Looney Tunes) and From A to Z-Z-Z-Z (respectively) if there are no other opinions. PC78 (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Emergency Unit (Hong Kong)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 04:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Emergency Unit (Hong Kong)">Emergency Unit (Hong Kong) → Hong Kong Police Force (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emergency_Unit_(Hong_Kong)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirected to a larger topic - Hong Kong Police Force (HKPF), and that article does not conclude that subtitle. It should be rewritten or translated (zh:衝鋒隊 (香港)) rather than just redirect to a wrong page with no introduction. だ＊ぜ (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Redirects for discussion is not a place to request article creation. One lined mention is easy to do in the Hong Kong Police Force's article to fix this redirect to related topic. Matthew hk (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. The target article only has a single passing mention of the Emergency Unit (in the Vehicles section), so this is of negligible help to readers. It does communicate that the Emergency Unit belongs to the Police Force, but that's not much. Better to be upfront about this gap in the encyclopedia. --BDD (talk) 01:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete Exactly what BDD said. This isn't helpful. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 11:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Coalition Application
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Common Application. Seems we're all in agreement! ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 10:58, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Coalition Application → Common Application (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coalition_Application&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggested action: Delete unless someone intends to expand it into an article. Essentially, reason 10. I can see reason 7 as being a reason to avoid deleting it, but the redirect should not exist in its current state. Thtatithticth (talk) 05:54, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) The section this redirect refers to (now called "Technical Difficulties") makes no mention of the Coalition Application (though it did, briefly, at one point).
 * 2) The entire article barely mentions the Coalition Application.
 * 3) The Common Application is a competitor/alternative to the Coalition Application—redirecting there not only seems inappropriate, but would be highly confusing to readers.
 * Alternatively, the redirect link could be changed to the competition section, but I still don't think that it should link to that page at all. Thtatithticth (talk) 06:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose delete, open to changing target. I changed the redirect to point to the "Competition" section. The term is clearly bolded there so people following an incoming redirect can easily find it. Given the social impact and national news coverage, the Coalition Application is something people do search for, and they should arrive at a page with relevant information to the term.   The reason I created the redirect is that there was very little material on the Coalition Application, so it didn't seem justified to create a whole article about it. If people object to the appearance of describing something on the "turf" of a competitor, either this application could be spun out into its own article (and hopefully expanded as has happened to Universal College Application, but if it lives as a stub for a while so be it) or the list of competitors (and the redirect target) could be moved to "neutral ground" such as College application. -- Beland (talk) 15:18, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I concede; users should find something about their search query if it exists. For the same reason, I think it's better to keep the redirect pointed at the competition section rather than College application, as the former contains at least a short description of the Coalition Application while the latter doesn't even mention it. As for spinning it into an article, I failed to find reliable sources to start a stub, and can only suggest leaving it as a redirect in the hopes that somebody else eventually picks it up. Thtatithticth (talk) 07:13, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine to Competition section. I'd agree that generally, redirecting something to one of its competitors is not ideal, but this seems like the best we can do in this case. --BDD (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Primitive Korean peninsula language
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E Warren
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * E Warren → Elizabeth Warren (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E_Warren&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Elizabeth is not the only or even most prominent "E. Warren". A WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT is not possible due to the prominence of Chief Justice Earl Warren. I'm not sure how plausible of a search term this is due to the formatting, but this should either be deleted or retargeted to Warren (name). -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or Retarget to Warren (name) (and do the same with E. Warren) I'm not even American and before even reading Tavix's second sentence my mind immediately jumped to Earl Warren. Arguably within a 2019 US political context Elizabeth Warren is the most prominent, but unless she is elected POTUS (and perhaps not even then) that's not going to be true in the long term, and almost certainly is not true now outside of the United States. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 03:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as too vague, many possible E. Warrens. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 12:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Draft:A-Force (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Draft:A-Force (film)">Draft:A-Force (film) → Draft:Untitled Marvel female team-up film (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:A-Force_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Forgive me if I'm wrong (am I?) but redirects are normally intended to assist in navigation, and redirecting a title beginning "Draft:" with a hypothetical future title for the incomplete article that is currently still in the draft space doesn't seem helpful. Nothing in the current draft article actually implies that the future film will be titled A-Force, and even if it were this redirect would not serve any real purpose in either the long or the short run, since the title would ultimately be A-Force (film) anyway. Theoretically the draft title could be anything, even something that violates V, NOR, and CRYSTAL, and so the current redirect could just be made the draft page pending an actual title announcement, but I don't see any point having a draft article in the draft space with a separate redirect also in the draft space. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:50, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The point is to help editors who might wish to work on the draft, find it. But if this is an incorrect use of a redirect, then by all means delete it. It’s only meant to be temporary anyway.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 08:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. The film itself is hypothetical at this stage and the title A-Force is used in news sources: . Perhaps this would be a better title for the draft, but I don't see any reason to delete. PC78 (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per PC78. Real potential to be helpful here. Say I hear about A-Force and want to start making a draft. Do you think I'll look for "Untitled Marvel female team-up film"? This will help avoid parallel drafts and the wasted effort that would entail. --BDD (talk) 19:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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