Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 18

October 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 18, 2019.

Two wheelers in India
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Transport in India. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Two wheelers in India → Automotive industry in India (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Two_wheelers_in_India&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not all two-wheelers are automotive. Readers trying to find information about non-automotive two-wheelers, such as bicycles, will not find what they are looking for. Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Transport in India. PC78 (talk) 08:15, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Transport in India per PC78. Two-wheelers are discussed in the lede and in their own section there. As far as I can tell, it's all about motorized two-wheelers, but works on non-motorized ones would not be out of scope for the article, and the search term itself is agnostic regarding motorization. --BDD (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Marysville station
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Marysville station → Marysville, California (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marysville_station&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Primary target is not the station in California; my search is netting me lots of results for stations in Marysville, Washington. Redirect to Marysville (disambiguation) or (my preference) delete. Zerach (talk) 02:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It could be redirected to Coast Starlight, which has some information. If there's an article that mentions a station in Washington, it can be disambiguated - the article about the place just mentions one that has been proposed. Peter James (talk) 18:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Disambiguate. I have provided a draft. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:13, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. Narky Blert (talk) 12:04, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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Leftist errors
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 * The result of the discussion was move Leftist errors (Yugoslavia) to Leftist errors  . While no particular outcome has an outright majority, there is consensus that the status quo should not remain, and most participants in this discussion are open to compromising between the three possibilities (ultra-leftism, Leftist errors (Yugoslavia), disambiguation at base title). In the spirit single transferable vote, I'm adopting the proposal to move Leftist errors (Yugoslavia) to the base title and targeting the other redirect there. Deryck C. 11:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Leftist errors → Ultra-leftism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leftist_errors&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Leftist Errors → Left communism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leftist_Errors&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These redirects ought to point to the same place. Leftist errors redirects to Ultra-leftism which has a hatnote to Leftist errors (Yugoslavia) but does not otherwise mention the term, but the capitalised version Leftist Errors redirects to Left communism which has no mention of the term. To me the choice is either (a) retarget the second to the target of the first, or (b) move Leftist errors (Yugoslavia) to the base name and retarget the capitalised version there. I think I prefer (b). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:29, 26 September 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support (b) - move Leftist errors (Yugoslavia) to Leftist errors. I am creator of this article and I support (b) alternative as per nominator's rationale.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * A. Redirect both terms to ultra-leftism. Just because the only page we have on this topic is the Yugoslav one does not mean that that is in fact the primary meaning of the term. It is not. Srnec (talk) 22:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * A, a Google Scholar search would suggest that the most common usage of this term is in the context of analyses of the history of the Chinese Communist Party, where it's used analogously to the pejorative definition described at Ultra-leftism. However, I think that a properly-sourced mention of this alternative term needs to be added to that target, otherwise it seems like an inappropriately non-neutral redirect. signed,Rosguill talk 22:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * A per Srnec, left errors have applied to almost all communist forces at some stage. Both should redirect to ultra-leftism. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to give the "disambiguation" proposal time for potential discussion.
 * B - while "leftist errors" might refer to historic analyses of [Chinese] communism, the Yugoslav policy is the only topic that actually has "leftist errors" as a title. Add to that article a hatnote of the sort "for Marxist critiques of far-left groups, see ultra-leftism". Also note that our article on ultra-leftism mentions that it's a term rarely used in English, suggesting that something with that actual title (the common English translation of the native title) is a more appropriate primary redirect. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:15, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a closer's nightmare! A default, no-action "no consensus" preserves an inconsistency no one wants. Is disambiguation an option? --BDD (talk) 01:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that disambiguation is a suitable compromise. signed,Rosguill talk 17:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 20:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Anything that doesn't preserve the inconsistency though I have a weak preference for b. Disambiguation or (a) are both better than the status quo. Wug·a·po·des​ 04:43, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe a better approach than disambiguation would be a short article on the term itself in Marxist discourse, which could naturally link to both current targets. I don't think I'm the person to write that article, but could take a shot at it if no one else will. --BDD (talk) 15:56, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to nom's first recommended target article, per nom's and others' discussion. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The move-and-retarget (i.e. Leftist errors (Yugoslavia) -> Leftist errors) makes the most sense to me, given that's where our content seems to be. If there's broader usage about China or in the generic context, it can be added to that article or created at Leftist errors (China) or something, but we shouldn't be persisting because something could exist.  A disambiguation would be fine, I suppose, but seems non-ideal (although better than the current situation or simply retargeting). ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 11:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Acid terror
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Seshie
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Seshie → Session musician (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seshie&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No indication that this is a slang term with any actual use. Not mentioned in the target, essentially no page history, and internet search results mostly returns articles about people named Seshie. I would suggest deletion. signed,Rosguill talk 18:04, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * If so, let me know; it was just something I saw on Urban Dictionary. Star651 (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless this is some kid slang, I've been tracking session musicians for . . ..... maybe 50 years and have never come across the term. Carptrash (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:R. No evidence of real usage of the term. There is an entry in MacMillan Dictionary, but that is user-generated content as well. Politrukki (talk) 18:38, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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Bank of East Asia Canada
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Bank of East Asia. --BDD (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Bank of East Asia Canada → Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bank_of_East_Asia_Canada&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Bank of East Asia (Canada)">Bank of East Asia (Canada) → Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (Canada) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bank_of_East_Asia_(Canada)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Doug Mehus (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Bank of East Asia where it is mentioned. Also added Bank of East Asia (Canada) to the nomination. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Bank of East Asia. Per this edit summary, seems as though this redirect is a former name. Also, see Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (Canada), a R from history. Steel1943  (talk) 15:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, see Articles for deletion/Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (Canada). Steel1943  (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * With respect, I think our policy on keeping redirects is far too conservative. Often, extraneous redirects with myriad parenthetical qualifiers get created and then, when a merge like this happens, you end up with half a dozen or a dozen more articles redirecting to the target merged page's section. I think we need to consider the low number of hits in the past 30 days/year. Besides, redirects are easy to re-add if someone really felt this was a useful redirect. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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List of Trans World Airlines accidents and incidents
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * List of Trans World Airlines accidents and incidents → Category:Trans World Airlines accidents and incidents (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Trans_World_Airlines_accidents_and_incidents&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Recently created cross-namespace redirect that meets WP:R criterion 6. This may be a good topic for a list article, but I don't think it should exist as a CNR. While other "List of" redirects to category space exist, they seem to be from Wikipedia's early days or pages with a substantive history (e.g., List of loop knots or List of German hip hop musicians). I don't think we should encourage new CNRs of this kind. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Agree - I dont see why it cant be an actual list, I will have a look at that later but will not touch it until this discussion is closed. MilborneOne (talk) 08:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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The godmother weeds episode
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The godmother weeds episode → List of Weeds episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_godmother_weeds_episode&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect title as it uses lower case but also incorrect "disambiguation" with "weeds episode". A more correct redirect is The Godmother (Weeds episode). Gonnym (talk) 14:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The correct redirect exists and would be the first option to show up when typing this in the search box. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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GloNET
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . Speedily deleted by Justlettersandnumbers. (non-admin closure) James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 18:47, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * GloNET → Netcad (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GloNET&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:32, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the redirect and the page. Fails GNG. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 13:41, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * We are discussing the redirect here, not the target article. Notability is mostly irrelevant at RFD; feel free to nominate the target for deletion separately however. Geolodus (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I have nominated the target article for deletion, if it is deleted, the redirect then must be tagged for speedy deletion per WP:G8. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 00:09, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * TY, - whatever works best. I was taking baby steps but if a giant leap works, I'm ok with that, too. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme  Talk 📧 02:10, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No prob! Absolutely nothing wrong with playing it safe. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 02:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: I Googled both. They are totally unrelated. GloNET is an Indian fair. Netcad is a Turkish company. As a precaution, I browsed the Netcad website, looking for a product or utility called GloNET. Found nothing. <span style="font-family: 'Ink Free', sans-serif;">flowing dreams (talk page) 06:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Vanamala(actress)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:45, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Vanamala(actress)">Vanamala(actress) → Vanamala (actress) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vanamala(actress)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB. Malformed redirect with a missing space before the parenthesis; leftover from a page move but the article was only at this title for about 10 hours. PC78 (talk) 12:37, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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Skinwalkers (Smallville episode)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 11:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Skinwalkers (Smallville episode)">Skinwalkers (Smallville episode) → Smallville (season 2) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Skinwalkers_(Smallville_episode)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not the episode name, it is Skinwalker (Smallville). As the singular form will be found in search anyways, better to get rid of this so it won't get incorrect usage. Gonnym (talk) 09:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: Incorrect name, and unlikely to be a typo. -- <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  09:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: I would agree with that. It's the wrong title.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  15:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It's close enough and couldn't refer to anything else, so it seems pretty harmless. PC78 (talk) 12:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RKEEP 2. Useful search term and possible link target for those who have not memorized the Smallville episode list. Wug·a·po·des​ 04:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as harmless and potentially useful. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 18:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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