Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 25

October 25
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 25, 2019.

Lugash
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 6%23Lugash

Primitive Korean peninsula language
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 5%23Primitive Korean peninsula language

List of Red Dead Redemption characters
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was restore  article. As noted, this WP:D-R was not done without some consensus, but only a few comments on this list specifically. AfD should be the next step if editors want to remove this. --BDD (talk) 16:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)


 * List of Red Dead Redemption characters → Red Dead Redemption (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Red_Dead_Redemption_characters&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of characters in Red Dead Redemption → Red Dead Redemption (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_characters_in_Red_Dead_Redemption&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not such list on the target page. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 08:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete both . The former has some history as a largely unsourced fan-crufty list but I don't see any value in keeping it. PC78 (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm inclined to say restore the article and take to AfD if necessary. List of Red Dead Redemption 2 characters also exists and on the face of it appears to be reasonably well sourced, so perhaps there is merit in a separate list for the first game. PC78 (talk) 10:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 19:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Weakly in favor of restoring the article given PC78's most recent comment. Other than that not really sure what's best as "List of..." type titles are helpful search terms and should take the reader somewhere useful. Wug·a·po·des​ 21:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Restore per PC78. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:51, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * For more context, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 121 (and courtesy pinging User:Soetermans, who is on wikibreak). I am not fond of this manner of deletion via redirection, but at least it did not happen absent any discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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Fight (Brooke Candy song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:27, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Fight (Brooke Candy song) → Brooke Candy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fight_(Brooke_Candy_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at target, at Brooke Candy discography or any other pages related to the artist. Appears to be a track of a cancelled album, Daddy Issues, which does not have an article. Richhoncho (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Unreleased song from a cancelled album, with no suitable target. Not a useful redirect. PC78 (talk) 10:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Phuoc Tay
   Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 8%23Phuoc Tay

Adwaita (the tortoise)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep "(tortoise)", delete "(the tortoise)"  . Deryck C. 12:27, 7 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Adwaita (tortoise) → Adwaita (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adwaita_(tortoise)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Adwaita (the tortoise) → Adwaita (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adwaita_(the_tortoise)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems excessive Sun Creator(talk) 17:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * In 2011 I created the redirect Adwaita (tortoise) – unaware of the existence of Adwaita (the tortoise) – in preparation of a possible dab page for Adwaita, there also being Adwaita (Vedanta), Adwaita (software) & Adwaita (theme), Adwaita Mallabarman and Advaita Acharya, aka Adwaita Acharya (and possibly other people with a name spelled "Advaita" here but also in some sources "Adwaita"). I don't recall why I did not follow through then, but a dab page might still be in order. --Lambiam 18:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Adwaita (the tortoise) and keep Adwaita (tortoise) as a plausible disambiguator. signed,Rosguill talk 23:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the one, keep the other per Rosguill. "Adwaita (the tortoise)" was only a title for a few days in 2006, whereas "Adwaita (tortoise)" is a typical R from unnecessary disambiguation, per other members of . --BDD (talk) 16:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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ホオジロクロガメ
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:15, 6 November 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="ホオジロクロガメ">ホオジロクロガメ → Black marsh turtle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%83%9B%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B8%E3%83%AD%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%AC%E3%83%A1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Черепаха черная болотная">Черепаха черная болотная → Black marsh turtle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0_%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Schwarze Dickkopfschildkröten">Schwarze Dickkopfschildkröten → Black marsh turtle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schwarze_Dickkopfschildkr%C3%B6ten&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Dickhalsschildkröte">Dickhalsschildkröte → Black marsh turtle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dickhalsschildkr%C3%B6te&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from a foreign language WP:RFOREIGN Sun Creator(talk) 17:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've combined these nominations for convenience. --BDD (talk) 17:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've combined a couple others. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:10, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both, as page creator. These were made when I was unaware of the policy.-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  17:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Unlike most WP:RFOREIGN redirects, these are actually mentioned at the target article. I'm not sure that's appropriate because Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment In this case no. But plenty of topics on Wikipedia do not come from English-speaking countries and are more familiar in their native names which might be less ambiguous. In other words, the English name is the translation. Just because names not in English are mentioned, does not make it a violation of WP:NOTDIC. Both WP:UEIA and WP:RFOREIGN discuss when non-English names can be mentioned in the article, and indeed encouraged. I've went ahead and removed the Japanese, Russian, and German names from the article, but kept and sourced the native Indonesian name.-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  02:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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Guiding hand
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 12:28, 7 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Guiding hand → Morality (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guiding_hand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear meaning, not mentioned at the target article. I found two topics that would at least merit MOS:DABMENTION: an anti-Bill Clinton film, at Arkansas Governor's School, and a Boy Scout painting at Norman Rockwell. Not sure if disambiguation or search results are the way to go. --BDD (talk) 14:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete search results, I think, are the way to go. There's so many things this could mean that it would be hard to curate a list of things readers might be looking for. Better to give them search results and let them find what it is they want. Wug·a·po·des​ 16:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Applied Cryptography
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 5%23Applied Cryptography

Practical Cryptography
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 5%23Practical Cryptography