Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 22

September 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 22, 2019.

Boris J
 Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 4%23Boris J

Laicization
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 4%23Laicization

Suede knot
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 4%23Suede knot

Thatcher in the Rye
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 16:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thatcher in the Rye → Running through fields of wheat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thatcher_in_the_Rye&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This phrase has been used a few times, but to refer to a variety of subjects. Here is an example of a satirical article with this title that makes a joke which includes an allusion to the current target. It does appear to mostly be used as a nickname for Theresa May, so redirecting there might be appropriate (e.g., ). Other uses, however, are not even obliquely related, such as,. Thus, I would lean toward deletion, but am also open to redirecting to Theresa May. signed,Rosguill talk 18:52, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-encyclopaedic passing joke, which as a phrase is also used in completely unrelated material. If not deleted, keep current target which is at least understandable. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:49, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
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The Kidd Creole (Emcee)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 2%23The Kidd Creole (Emcee)

Tân Thạnh, Tân Thạnh District (town)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Tân Thạnh, Tân Thạnh District (town) → Tân Thạnh (town) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T%C3%A2n_Th%E1%BA%A1nh,_T%C3%A2n_Th%E1%BA%A1nh_District_(town)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete - Extremely confusing redirect name, no one can tell whether this is a district or a town Cn5900 (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The combination of the unnecessary comma-separated and parenthetical disambiguators makes this very confusing indeed. -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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Quảng Bình District
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Quảng Bình District → Quang Bình District (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_B%C3%ACnh_District&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete This redirect title will cause serious misunderstanding, since the district has never been name 'Quảng Bình'. A redirect like this will cause readers to think that 'Quảng Bình' is another name for 'Quang Bình District', while that's absolutely not true Cn5900 (talk) 17:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * There was some confusion between the two - I've now fixed various links to eliminate the problem - so this redirect can indeed be deleted. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. WP:XY incorrect name of either Quảng Bình Province or Quang Bình District, but not the correct name of anything. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, but only after fixing the cut-and-past move that occurred on 12 January 2018. I have made a request at Requests for history merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:10, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The history merge has been completed, so now this redirect can be deleted. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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The sun
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The rough consensus leans towards maintaining a redirect to the disambiguation page, because the inclusion of "the" makes it less likely for the star to be the primary topic. Deryck C. 16:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The sun → The Sun (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_sun&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should this redirect to Sun or The Sun? Interstellarity (talk) 14:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as R from other capitalisation. It could plausibly be a search string for any of the entries on the dab page. ComplexRational (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sun, for sure, the primary long-term 2006 redirect for the lower-case is Sun. 'The sun' or 'the sun' always refers to the star or its light and not a newspaper, album, or any of its upper-case namesakes. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * An equivalent case is the moon, which has redirected to Moon since 2005. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I would not be inclined to compare these, because The Moon (capitalized) also redirects to Moon, with the corresponding dab page at Moon (disambiguation). ComplexRational (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The only other uses of "The Moon" with articles are a card and song both of which seem to be obscure unlike the newspapers. Furthermore the term "moon" used to refer to other natural satellites is relatively common to using "sun" to refer to other stars with planets since our soler system alone has many moons and terms like "one of Jupiter's moons" aren't uncommon meaning a reader is more likely to use "The Moon" if they expect "Moon" to be about moons in general. That said when a lower case "s" is used for "The sun" Earth's star is usually meant even if less common than "The moon".  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:09, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep as R from other capitalisation, per ComplexRational.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Sun per my comments at the RM, while the Earth's star is a proper noun it is sometimes written as the "sun" (even if not technically correct) while if the newspaper was (which appears to be hardly at all) written like this it would be outright incorrect. Indeed as noted while the redirect has been changed a bit it was originally (and for most of its history) pointed to the star even though until 2009 "The Sun" was about the British newspaper. This may be an unusual case of WP:DIFFCAPS but I still think its valid. Given that there has been mixed opinions on where the upper case goes I think we can agree that the lower case can go to the star.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep thru alternative capitalization. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page)  21:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep – A lot of people would type "the sun" in lowercase while searching for any of the newspapers and other works bearing this title. As long as the title "The Sun" is a dab page (re-confirmed at a recent discussion), the lowercase spelling should not lead elsewhere. — JFG talk 18:04, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As noted per WP:DIFFCAPS this seems to be a case where caps can make a difference and land at different places. In addition "Keep" means leaving this to redirect to Sun (the longstanding title and title where it pointed at the start of this RFD and still points) so presumably you meant "Retarget to The Sun".  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:04, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , actually I'd moved it back to the longtime "Sun" after the RfD started because the close of the upper-case RfD did not mention lower-casing, or mandate that the lower-case should be kept at the controversial move it obtained during that discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * OK I see it was changed back after this RFD started so "keep" and retarget are indeed jumbled.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 13:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved it back to the controversially moved redirect so the comments align. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:15, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sun as the overwhelming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by usage. Among my first 100 Google Books hit I do not see a single usage of the "the sun" (or for that matter, "the Sun") referring to anything but the big yellow sky orb. Note also the sky and The Sky, The French, The Holy Spirit, etc. not pointing to the comparatively obscure proper nouns or disambiguation pages about them. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Its interesting that this redirect has been questioned since as noted until 2009 the upper case was about the British newspaper while now its a DAB, also the long-term significance criteria was added in 2011 which would favour the star in addition to DIFFCAPS which has been clarified in recent years.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 13:54, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect to The Sun. For the infrequent use in articles, I'd say that links to the sun may more likely be intended for the Sun, but careless links meant for the newspaper are certainly possible. The main usage, however, would be people entering "the sun" in the search box. The vast majority of people looking for that big object in the sky would simply type "sun", and the overwhelming majority of people looking for the newspaper would type "the sun". (I certainly never bother capitalizing anything when I'm searching.) To best serve the needs of our readers, the most desirable option is to offer them the dab page.The IP mentions Google Books results, but it's very different for a Google search, where Sun usage doesn't even appear in the top ten results. It would be generous to say that only about 40% of the top 100 refer to Sun, and that's including lots of incidental usage. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  21:10, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * based on my comments about WP:DIFFCAPS could you please clarify if you support the lower case redirecting to the star of DAB? Keeping in mind that as noted this seems a reasonable (but ususual) case of DIFFCAPS.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am neutral. Whatever the consensus agrees on, I agree. Interstellarity (talk) 18:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sun. 🌞 --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 17:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep seems useful. Fotaun (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Anyone typing in "the sun" with "the" is more likely than not looking for some other topic than the Solar System object. feminist (talk) 05:15, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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Andrea Sachs
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 4%23Andrea Sachs

Fleebagger
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Fleebagger → 2011 Wisconsin protests (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fleebagger&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The term "fleebagger" is not discussed in the article. While it is a real term used by some commentators to describe legislators who fled the state during this controversy, there's no evidence that it's continued to be a live term relating to this specific event, and without discussion in the article it should be deleted. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 05:39, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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Ms Nina
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 2%23Ms Nina

Un-Australian Idol
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Un-Australian Idol → Australian Idol (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Un-Australian_Idol&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect not needed, most likely created out of spite. Happily888 (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, makes about as much sense as redirecting non-apple to apple. 85.76.8.173 (talk) 10:39, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. No clear purpose; per nom, the most probable reason for creation would make this borderline G3-worthy. ComplexRational (talk) 14:52, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Obviously by criteria such as non-plausible redirect and attack page. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page)  17:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * delete as unlikely synonym -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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