Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 13

August 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 13, 2020.

National Mindless Eating Challenge
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 21%23National Mindless Eating Challenge

Kiwi (slur)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . — Wug·a·po·des​ 20:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Kiwi (slur) → Kiwi (people) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiwi_(slur)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. "Kiwi" isn't a slur. From the article: "its usage is not considered offensive". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Can this be kept as R from non-neutral name? What is the chance of readers mistakenly considering "kiwi" comparable to other demographic labels? feminist (talk) 02:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It implies that "Kiwi" is a slur, which is false, as far as I know. Nurg (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, either with feminist's suggested tag and/or R from incorrect name. There are plenty of national nicknames that aren't inherently slurs but could still be used as such depending on context, such as Yank. This is a plausible error for readers not especially familiar with New Zealand, and the target article will quickly correct them. --BDD (talk) 17:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 22:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not considered offensive as stated at target article, therefore not a slur. CycloneYoris talk! 22:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDD as a reasonable misconception. Note that the correct template would be R from incorrect disambiguation as the error is in the parenthesised portion of the title. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It isn't considered offensive as noted, so not a slur. Nothing currently links to Kiwi (slur), so there is no value in retaining it as a redirect (from an incorrect disambiguation). If someone erroneously believed Kiwi to be an offensive term for the people, they would easily find Kiwi (people). If we kept every incorrect disambiguation that somebody had created, then we could easily end up with an unnecessary proliferation of these, which would serve no useful purpose. Paora (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. 'Kiwi' isn't a slur.Chjoaygame (talk) 09:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - BDD's logic is sound, but this redirect had only 1 hit in the 90 days preceding the nomination; it's evidently not useful. Whether or not it is a slur is entirely irrelevant. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Kiwi isn't a slur, our own government websites (| 100% Pure and | NZ Story) used the term to advertise or inform foreigners about the term and why we call ourselves "Kiwis" NZFC  (talk) (cont)  10:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume this is heading for a delete. I won't raise a fuss but want to leave a final appeal: it may be very well known, even universally so, in New Zealand that "kiwi" is not a slur. But we're a global encyclopedia, and redirects are cheap, allowing us to be very helpful even when readers don't know what might seem obvious to someone else. Prime Minister of the United States is my go-to example of this. See also WP:POPE. --BDD (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Statements at WP:POPE (i.e "The Pope is Catholic", "Paris is in France") are true, so no problem there. The implication that the United States has a Prime Minister is false, but there is no implicit value judgement. Kiwi (slur) hints, if not implies, that "Kiwi" is a slur, which is arguably a kind of value judgement, in addition to being false. It would be like having President of the United States (criminal) as a redirect to President of the United States. We don't have "Yank (slur)" as a redirect, even though you earlier said that it could be used as a slur, whereas "Kiwi" could never be a slur (in my humble opinion) and we shouldn't cast such aspersions. Nurg (talk) 10:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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French Words and Phrases
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . — Wug·a·po·des​ 20:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * French Words and Phrases → French language (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_Words_and_Phrases&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in article. I suggest soft retargeting to Category:French words and phrases. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 12:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Seriously? The article on the French language doesn't mention any French terms? Hyacinth (talk) 19:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The closest we have is probably French language. Presumably the nominator means there isn't a single place that's truly about French words and phrases. --BDD (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Soumya-8974, I could be wrong, but I don't think we usually (ever?) soft redirect from mainspace to category space. Sometimes we do regular redirects, though some editors may object to them as cross-namespace redirects. --BDD (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 22:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to French language where multiple French terms appear. That seems to be a better target than the soft redirect suggested by the nom. CycloneYoris talk!</b> 22:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's badly capitalised. The correct version exists and targets French language, but French words and phrases used by English speakers targets Glossary of French expressions in English. At this stage changing these latter redirects should now be separate RfDs. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, no precise target. We have articles like Dictionnaire de l'Académie française (the official French dictionary), and Dictionnaire historique du français québécois is specifically about Quebecois French words and phrases contrasted against Parisian French, as well as Dictionnaire de la langue française about an older work, but none of these are exactly right. We should let the search engine handle this one. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shhhnotsoloud and Ivanvector. signed,Rosguill talk 16:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Zitat
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 21%23Template:Zitat

Eugenia Pierre
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 21:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Eugenia Pierre → Netball in Trinidad and Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eugenia_Pierre&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should be deleted to encourage article creation <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 15:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep, there's relevant information at the current target. signed,Rosguill talk 19:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 19:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rosguill. Sufficient information is found at target article. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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⨾
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Composition of relations. signed,Rosguill talk 20:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="⨾">⨾ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A8%BE&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Has been nominated by me for retargeting to Composition of relations some time ago, where, as opposed to the current target, the character is mentioned (Composition of relations). Pings to, who seem to have overlooked this fact, partly because I had not mentioned this in the nomination. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I would usually be inclined to close per WP:SILENCE, but given the recent previous discussion, it would be better to get further input.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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Mickey Mouse Silm
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Mickey Mouse Silm → Mickey Mouse (TV series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mickey_Mouse_Silm&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of "Silm", not really sure what this was getting at. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm assuming it's a questionable typo of Mickey Mouse slim, which was also created by the same user a few years earlier. However, I can't figure out what that is referring to, can't find either word in the article or any of the episode summaries, and can't see any noticeable context from when it was created. ~ mazca  talk 15:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Lemon Pledge Arena
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Lemon Pledge Arena → Climate Pledge Arena (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lemon_Pledge_Arena&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems like a joke name that hasn't gotten use in RS. Delete unless evidence of use can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – only brings up 284 results on Google, and just about every one of them seems to be comments on message boards or Reddit posts, not at all in RS. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:STFUALREADY
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * STFUALREADY → Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:STFUALREADY&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target does not mention anything about the "Wikipedia:STFUALREADY" thingy. So obviously, this redirect is very confusing. Seventyfiveyears at 16:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I had to read it several times (St. Fual Ready? Stuff You All Ready?) before I realized that it stands for "Shut The Fuck Up Already." --Guy Macon (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is there for the subtlety-impaired. As a project space redirect, it does not have to match with precise content. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as an appropriate a project space redirect. Useful for whenever someone tries to take all humor out of Wikipedia. Also, deleting a redirect does not stop someone from that phrase as a link: See WP:CRAMIITCLOWN. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per the two commenters above and the fact that this redirect has targeted its current target since its creation over 6 years ago. Steel1943  (talk) 06:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Now that I know this redirect exists, I might use it. Narky Blert (talk) 09:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as purely inflammatory and per WP:CIVIL. This is just a backhanded way to get in an attack at another editor.  If you really need to create shortcuts to do that, there's a problem. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 21:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Kong Hong
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 20%23Kong Hong

Prutas
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Pruta. signed,Rosguill talk 15:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Prutas → Fruit (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prutas&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the article, seems to be non-English redirect from Tagalog. Peter James (talk) 12:23, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to pruta, since the coins seem to be pluralised that way in English, and I just added two WP:DABMENTIONed Prutas entries there. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB page pruta per IP. Narky Blert (talk) 09:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Pruta as R from plural. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Amalie Boong
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Amalie Boong → Myrkur (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amalie_Boong&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect was created in 2017 by a user with no other contributions; no mention in article then or now. Boong redirects to List of ethnic slurs, it also occurs in Korean names and is a word with multiple meanings in Vietnamese, although the redirect seems to be unrelated to any of these and is probably either vandalism or an unlikely typo for Amalie Bruun. Peter James (talk) 11:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, seems far too distant from the actual spelling of Bruun to make it a plausible redirect. ~ mazca  talk 19:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mazca. This truly is an implausible misspelling. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. An odd contribution for a WP:SPA. -2pou (talk) 19:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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Minority leader of the Masssachusetts Senate
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Minority leader of the Masssachusetts Senate → Minority leader (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minority_leader_of_the_Masssachusetts_Senate&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misspelt and not mentioned in the article. There is also no correctly spelt version of this redirect. Maka the Two Star Meister (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, the hypothetical correctly-spelled Minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate would still probably be better targeted at Massachusetts Senate, but its absence certainly doesn't seem to be a problem. We definitely don't need a misspelled redirect for it. ~ mazca  talk 00:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete exactly per Mazca. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Sources of heat
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 20%23Sources of heat

Talk:2019-20 Scottish Conservative Party leadership election
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  by  per WP:G8. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Talk:2019-20 Scottish Conservative Party leadership election → Talk:February 2020 Scottish Conservative Party leadership election (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2019-20_Scottish_Conservative_Party_leadership_election&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The election was not held in 2019. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 00:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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