Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 14

August 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 14, 2020.

Michael Walker (journalist)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 22%23Michael Walker (journalist)

List of Middle-earth rivers
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 22%23List of Middle-earth rivers

Gwathló
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Gwathló → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gwathl%C3%B3&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Enwiki has no content about this subject. Yes, there is an old merge in the history but the article in which it was merged to was deleted in the discussion at Articles for deletion/List of Middle-earth rivers (2nd nomination). The redirect currently at List of Middle-earth rivers was created after the deletion, so the history this redirect was merged into is no longer extant in an undeleted state anywhere. Hog Farm Bacon 23:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Greyflood
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Greyflood → Rohan (Middle-earth) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greyflood&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Only mention of Greyflood in enwiki is "Boromir lost his horse while crossing the Greyflood and travelled the rest of the way on foot", which doesn't really tell a reader anything about this river. It's a river, but I don't remember if it has any other names. If it has additional names, I guess this could be retargeted to where the river is detailed there, but I don't remember if this river had additional names. Hog Farm Bacon 23:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Tea bag movement
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 22%23Tea bag movement

Architecture of Cambodia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Culture of Cambodia. signed,Rosguill talk 16:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Architecture of Cambodia → Khmer architecture (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Architecture_of_Cambodia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose deletion because there is a lot more to Cambodia's architecture (the last ~500-600 years) than just Khmer architecture. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The target article is all we've got, and is also the target of Cambodian architecture. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes, BDD's retarget suggestion below is better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Culture of Cambodia. I've changed a misleading there to  . The same should be done for Cambodian architecture. --BDD (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Culture of Cambodia per BDD above (which has a hatnote link to Khmer architecture. Robofish (talk) 18:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Old law court of the order
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 23%23Old law court of the order

Justine Sacco
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 16:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Justine Sacco → Online shaming (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justine_Sacco&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Justine Sacco incident → Online shaming (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justine_Sacco_incident&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * HasJustineLandedYet → Online shaming (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HasJustineLandedYet&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Information about her was removed from the target in April (see Talk:Online shaming). She is mentioned in passing on a few articles like IAC (company), Sam Biddle, Michael Kulich, and So You've Been Publicly Shamed, none of which would make good targets. A different Justine Sacco is mentioned at Timeline of women in warfare and the military in the United States from 2011–present. I'd say the best option would be to delete; a disambiguation page would be a distant second preference. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 15:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget Justine Sacco to Timeline of women in warfare and the military in the United States from 2011–present, since there's some info on a Justine Sacco there. Delete the other two per nom. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Any wikilinks to Online shaming, for instance from the name "Justine Sacco" at IAC (company), will also need to have their  removed, since the target no longer exists. — Tonymec (talk) 18:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I have reverted the removal as I don't think it is appropriate to remove 60k+ bytes of content from an article with almost no discussion. I've started a thread on the talk page: Talk:Online shaming. -- King of ♥<b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 19:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The redirect is ambiguous and may cause confusion: Search is better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The content has been restored, so there is now a pretty clear target. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 16:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The redirect remains ambiguous: there is another use. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So you're fine with the other two then? (The US military officer hasn't been involved in any notable "incident" as far as we know, and the hashtag is unique.) Anyways, I still think this Justine Sacco is the primary topic. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 23:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep - the subject is now mentioned in the target article again, and while she is also mentioned elsewhere, this is the main place this incident is mentioned. I recognise the existence of the 'other' Justine Sacco, but this incident is arguably the primary use. Robofish (talk) 18:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Langage
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . — Wug·a·po·des​ 20:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Langage → Plympton (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Langage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It is more plausibly a misspelling of language. <S>Therefore, retarget.</S> Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 12:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget Google search gives results in French or asks if I misspelled the word. Langage is mentione din the target, but can be handled with a hatnote. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The redirect is currently tagged with R from subtopic. In addition, it seems that subjects which utilize the word "Langage" have a connection with the subject at Plymouth (which the subject of the nominated redirect's target Plympton is a suburb), including the subject at Langage Power Station. However, the problem lies in the fact that at the current time, the article Plympton does not mention the word "Langage" anywhere in it. Steel1943  (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ...Turns out this redirect is linked in Plymouth and identified as a settlement. My vote incoming... Steel1943  (talk) 21:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Plymouth Keep per Uanfala (Apparently, I cant read. Steel1943  (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC) ) (continuing to be a R from subtopic) or delete (per WP:REDLINK) per my comments above.  Steel1943  (talk) 21:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retargeting is out of the question: correct names always take precedence over typos. And I don't see what's the problem with the current target: Plympton prominently mentions in its lead Langage as a constituent part, and that's also where the redirect Langage, Devon is pointing. Maybe there's a case for disambiguating as the nearby power station is also apparently referred to as just "Langage", and the French word langage also occasionally crops up in English texts (see Langue and parole for context; though as far as I'm aware it's always discussed just as the French word and is not a term of art, so including it on the dab page is probably optional). I've drafted a dab below the redirect. – Uanfala (talk) 12:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Dabify per reasons given by Uanfala. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 18:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Uanfala. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Langage is an industrial estate next to Plympton - https://www.old-maps.co.uk/ doesn't show a village, and http://www.npemap.org.uk shows the name but it refers to a hamlet slightly further out where old-maps.co.uk shows Higher Langage and Lower Langage (probably farms). The industrial estate, hamlet and power station are all outside the boundary of Plymouth (of which Plympton is a part); administratively they are in Sparkwell but that article is a stub and doesn't mention any of them. It is often described as in Plympton or Plymouth but that is probably based on its postcode. A redirect to Language would be misleading. Peter James (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Uanfala and add a typo-catching hatnote at the target. We don't disambiguate for typos. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:23, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Uanfala has already drafted a dab at Langage, so clearly they are in favor of this decision. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * After Peter James's comment, I think we have good reasons not to keep: the current target doesn't seem any more relevant for the place than several other articles. In cases like these it's best to leave it to the dab entry to clarify what exactly Langage is, and to link to the articles (probably more than one) that are relevant. Oh, and we actually do sometimes disambiguate for typos (a subset of such dabs can be seen here), but there are no typos involved in this case here. – Uanfala (talk) 23:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sparkwell Yes indeed Langage is in Sparkwell parish so it should be redirected there, in terms of the point about misspelling all of those that are transcluded don't have anything that is spelled correctly by those titles, a Redirect-distinguish would take care of this.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Ram temple
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Rama. --BDD (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Ram temple → Ram Janmabhoomi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ram_temple&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ram Temple → Ram Mandir, Ayodhya (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ram_temple&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Rama Temple → Ram Janmabhoomi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rama_Temple&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  added by 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

These two redirects currently point at two different targets. <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 20:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Rama as R from list topic, since that section has a list of temples devoted to Ram/Rama. Adding to the nomination. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Worth noting that, though there are also temples devoted to male sheep (ram), e.g. ancient Egyptian temples at Mendes, temples to Rama appear to be the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT for "ram temple" based on reliable-source usage of that phrase (e.g. GBooks search for "ram temple" ). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Rama as suggested by the IP above seems the most sensible solution here. Robofish (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Presidential Podiums
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:54, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Presidential Podiums → President of the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Presidential_Podiums&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Surely this isn't exclusive to the United States? Was previously an article. TheAwesome Hwyh  21:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: trivial, obscure, vague and useless redirect term. Drdpw (talk) 21:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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The Enemy (Middle-earth)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Enemy (Middle-earth)">The Enemy (Middle-earth) → Morgoth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Enemy_(Middle-earth)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unneeded redirect. GimliDotNet (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Ambiguous, as Sauron could also be a topic. Hog Farm Bacon 21:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Tyelcormo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Tyelcormo → Fëanor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tyelcormo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused redirect from obscure term. GimliDotNet (talk) 20:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per mom, this doesn't seem to be used or mentioned anywhere. Hog Farm Bacon 21:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is Celegorm's Quenya name. I created the redirect when he had his own article, and it was mentioned (note, c vs k is just a spelling variant): now that he doesn't, and this name isn't mentioned at the target, there doesn't seem to be a point to it anymore. Double sharp (talk) 05:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Aerlinn
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Aerlinn → A Elbereth Gilthoniel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aerlinn&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is not needed. A vague redirect that has had very few views (not many people are searching Wikipedia for specific sindarian words) GimliDotNet (talk) 20:45, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. IIRC, this just means "hymn", so it's too vague to be of any real use. Hog Farm Bacon 21:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Aerandir
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Aerandir → Eärendil and Elwing (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aerandir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Enwiki has no content about this figure, who's rather minor in the backstory of the plot. Hog Farm Bacon 20:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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0-7852-6691-7
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 16:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * 0-7852-6691-7 → Janice Nicolich (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=0-7852-6691-7&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Apparently the ISBN number of a book about the subject's death. Not a good search term. Hog Farm Bacon 15:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete- this sort of thing really is not what Wikipedia is for. <b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b> <b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b> 17:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete since the target is apparently not the subject or alternative name of the target. Steel1943  (talk) 19:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep unless the redirect The Road To Forgiveness is bundled with this nomination somehow. The nominated redirect refers to the subject of The Road To Forgiveness, and is a R avoided double redirect referring to The Road To Forgiveness since they both target Janice Nicolich. Steel1943  (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Downgraded to "weak keep" from "keep" after reviewing BDD's comment below about precedence ... which I'm not sure if I agree with (I stick by the purpose of my original statement), but I am acknowledging there is precedence. Steel1943  (talk) 20:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ISBNs have come up periodically at RfD. My search was not exhaustive, but only found cases where they were deleted: ex. 1, ex. 2, ex. 3, ex. 4 (full disclosure: I was the closing admin on the last of these). --BDD (talk) 20:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- Horrible search term. Part of user:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )'s attempt to turn wikipedia into a second wikidata.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Joe Mcqueen"
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Joe Mcqueen" → Joe McQueen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Mcqueen%22&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The random " mark at the end makes this implausible. Hog Farm Bacon 15:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not a plausible search term. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- just doesn't make sense.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete" this as an implausible search term per above." It doesn't make sense to search up someone using that style." Regards, SONIC  678"  00:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Downright moron
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Downright moron → H. L. Mencken (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Downright_moron&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Only mentioned in the target as part of the quote "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron". I'm not convinced that's a strong enough connection to redirect this phrase to a single person. Hog Farm Bacon 15:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete it is from a direct quote, but I don't think this is a useful redirect, and something of a POV one (since it indirectly calls Mencken a moron - would be a BLP issue if he was still alive!). Robofish (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ambiguousand may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Drop and leave
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Drop and leave → Anchor baby (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drop_and_leave&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Only mention of this phrase in the target article is in a ref title. A Google search for this phrase brings up mostly dog training information and a specific type of tree felling. Not a common name for the subject. Hog Farm Bacon 15:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- as per nom, I've never heard this term used for anchor babies.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Obama austerity
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 16:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Obama austerity → United States budget sequestration in 2013 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obama_austerity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Confusing (term is not mentioned or explained on the linked page) and arbitrary (could as well go to United States debt-ceiling crisis of 2011 instead). HaeB (talk) 07:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak retarget to Budget Control Act of 2011, signed by Obama and identified at Austerity (with all other examples long before Obama). --BDD (talk) 14:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete. A derogatory politicized term not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Softlavender (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it necessarily derogatory? Though broadly unpopular, some people do support austerity policies, and this one is broadly attributable to Obama, even if he may not have wanted to do it. --BDD (talk) 14:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete - too unspecific to be helpful as a redirect, and somewhat POV. As the nominator says, there were other policies under the Obama administration which could be considered to be 'austerity'. Robofish (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Majority leader of the Masssachusetts Senate
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus / retarget  to Massachusetts Senate, since there's no support for keeping as is. --BDD (talk) 15:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Majority leader of the Masssachusetts Senate → Majority leader (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majority_leader_of_the_Masssachusetts_Senate&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect is incorrectly spelt, not mentioned in the article, and the correctly spelt version redirects to a different article (Stan Rosenberg). Maka the Two Star Meister (talk) 03:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Massachusetts Senate as a reasonably plausible error. Hog Farm Bacon 16:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this error. The correct version of the redirect Majority Leader of the Massachusetts Senate is misdirected too to Stan Rosenberg (as it inevitably would be given enough time), but that'll have to be a different RfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

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Bengt Johansson (athlete)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Bengt Johansson (athlete)">Bengt Johansson (athlete) → Bengt Johansson (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bengt_Johansson_(athlete)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect to a DAB page which lists no-one who could be classified as an athlete under our naming conventions (i.e. someone who participates in the sport of athletics). There is an athlete with that name - hammer-thrower sv:Bengt Johansson (friidrottare), who looks as if he might pass WP:GNG and is mentioned in Athletics at the 1999 Summer Universiade – Men's hammer throw. Delete, to remove confusion and to encourage article creation if justified. Narky Blert (talk) 08:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - 4 out of 5 of the people on the disambiguation page are athletes (even if they didn't compete in the sport of athletics, that doesn't mean they aren't/weren't athletes). A7V2 (talk) 01:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag as an R from incomplete disambiguation - The handball player, the ice sledge hockey players, and the wrestler could all conceivably be considered athletes. Hog Farm Bacon 01:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree that "athlete" has a wider definition (although I note that's not the case in svwiki). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Birther redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Between the outright keep !votes and the procedural objections, I see a rough consensus to keep the status quo, at least for the time being. signed,Rosguill talk 16:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Birther → Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birther&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Birthers → Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birthers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Nirther → Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nirther&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Birtherism → Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birtherism&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Birther movement → Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birther_movement&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Birther conspiracy → Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birther_conspiracy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Birther conspiracies are not limited to Obama. Trump started or otherwise helped spread birther theories against many of his political opponents, including Ted Cruz 1, and most recently Kamala Harris 2, 3. While the birther conspiracies originated from Obama, given the similarly high profile nature of other birther theories I am not sure a redirect to the Obama article per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT is appropriate here. Suggest a retarget to Birtherism (disambiguation) but open to other options (e.g. hatnote) subject to the discussion. Dps04 (talk) 07:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget all to Birtherism (disambiguation). That includes "Nirther", which apparently derives from the misspelling "Nirth Certificate" on a conspiracist website. Note that -> Birtherism (disambiguation) will be a WP:MALPLACED error which will need a WP:ROUNDROBIN page swap. It's a long time to November, and I can see Trump repeating his lie about Harris up until then and very possibly after. I wouldn't be surprised if enough news is generated to justify a separate article. Narky Blert (talk) 08:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Correction - Kamala Harris citizenship conspiracy theories exists, and I've added it to the DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 08:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural close and send it to WP:RM, as this is effectively a request to reverse the January 2019 move which put Birtherism (disambiguation) at its present location. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that, at this point, there might be enough material for an article on birtherism in general considering it's probably one of the best-known conspiracies in US politics. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , just for clarity: how would a potential article on birtherism as a conspiracy theory differ from Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories? Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As OP mentioned, at this point birtherism has been applied to a fair amount of high-profile US politicians; it doesn't have to be solely about Obama. Though I suppose you could say that "birtherism" primarily refers to Obama conspiracies, which would be contrary to the argument suggested in this RFD that there is no WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT Nohomersryan (talk) 17:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Too Soon. Keep the redirect as is, and revisit in a month.  I strongly suspect that the attempt to create a version of birtherism pointed at Kamala has failed... and that (unlike the Obama version) it isn’t going to get any traction, even amongst the conspiracy nutters. Blueboar (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wasn’t there a US president 100 and change years ago born in northern Vermont, and political foes accused him of secretly having been born across the border in Canada? Hyperbolick (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose you are referring to Chester Arthur, but then the supposed "controversy", if any, of his birth, predates the modern usage of the term birther. Wikidictionary defines birther explicitly as someone who buys into the conspiracy theory that Obama was not born in the US, or more generally, anyone who questions the eligibility of a candidate for office based on their citizenship status. So the real question here is whether participants agree that the term birther is so associated with Obama that the current redirect is appropriate, or there ought to be a retarget given the other birth conspiracy theories targeted at high profile individuals commonly labelled as "birther" by the media and reliable sources. --Dps04 (talk) 04:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, on the grounds that the disputes over Obama's eligibility are arguably still the primary meaning of 'birtherism'. If the current disputes over Kamala Harris (or other politicians) become more enduring and higher profile, Birtherism may have to be developed into a general article on such theories. Robofish (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Would seem the soundest practice, developing an article just on this topic, as it has at least been insinuated against George Romney, John McCain, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and so on. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:00, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Though does all seem covered in Natural born citizen clause. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Natural-born-citizen clause and add a note in the intro to that section about the terminology and Trump's use of the tactic against multiple opponents (Obama, Cruz, Harris). -- Beland (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget, then, to Natural-born-citizen clause as per Beland. Hyperbolick (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per 59.149.x.x. There aren't many Barack Obama or Kamala Harris or whoever else conspiracy theories, there's just a single conspiracy theory slightly adjusted and trotted out whenever Donald Trump faces a non-white political opponent. We probably won't get that into an article title, but "birtherism" is better than putting any other living person's name in the title. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per . — Tartan357   ( Talk ) 05:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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Googleplex Mall
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Googleplex Mall → Phineas and Ferb (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Googleplex_Mall&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can find no content mentioning the exact string "Googleplex Mall" on enwiki, nor can I find anything that appears to be a misspelling for this. Hog Farm Bacon 04:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has nothing about "Googleplex Mall" and whilst it might be a fictional reference it's confusing without a mention. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Badinkadink
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List of Fake Phineas and Ferb Episodes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * List of Fake Phineas and Ferb Episodes → Phineas and Ferb (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Fake_Phineas_and_Ferb_Episodes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Enwiki has no content about fake Phineas and Ferb episodes that I can find. Hog Farm Bacon 04:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per A7. The original article should have been speedied per A7, not redirected. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Such an A7 would be 10 years too late. Deleting this redirect via A7 would be gaming the system IMO. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (slowly). Enwiki has no content on the subject (and the redirect is badly capitalised). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (at any speed) per WP:SURPRISE. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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Diesel fuel/redirs
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Wikipedia:Reprimands
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Lesbian treaty
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Lesbian treaty → Treaty of Lisbon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_treaty&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can't find any external reference to this name, the misspelling isn't particularly clear, and a grand total of 11 people have used the redirect this year Vahurzpu (talk) 02:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom it is an unlikely misnomer for the target. I can find no treaty signed at Lesbos, and there many treaties mentioning sexual orientation so this is too vague to be a reference to any particular one of those. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a likely search term.   is the only thing I can find referring to this treaty.  I also found one hit about a treaty apparently relating to Lesbos, this redirect (which was the top hit), and oddly enough, a bunch of hits on climbing forums.  I'm not seeing this as anywhere close to a primary topic for this. Hog Farm Bacon 02:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm imagining the 11 people were disappointed with the result. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Fineas and pherb
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 02:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Fineas and pherb → Phineas and Ferb (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fineas_and_pherb&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is very implausible. Plus, the words "Ferb" and "Pherb" are not pronounced the same way. Seventyfiveyears at 01:53, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see this as that unreasonable.  Personally, at least the way I talk, I would pronounce Ferb and Pherb the exact same way.  I'm assuming that's true for others. Hog Farm Bacon 02:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Hog Farm above, both are pronounced exactly the same way. An occasional reader can easily misspell this. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 04:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm happy to accept this as a plausible misspelling, but curious to know how "Ferb" and "Pherb"  are not pronounced the same way. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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