Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 20

August 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 20, 2020.

Sernui
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Sernui → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sernui&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another Middle-earth river redirect not mentioned anywhere. It's rather a minor plot point, just a name on a map really, so I don't see a reason to really mention it anywhere. Hog Farm Bacon 23:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Neither the target section nor that section's main article has any information about it, so the redirect is pointless. -- Elphion (talk)
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Cementoss
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 23:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Cementoss → List of My Hero Academia characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cementoss&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is not mentioned in the target or anywhere else in the "My Hero Academia characters" article. Seventyfiveyears at 23:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This does appear at target article, it’s apparently the name of a character. No reason to delete. CycloneYoris talk! 23:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's in the target, so I don't see a reason to delete. Hog Farm Bacon 23:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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Draft:Donald trump
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:Donald trump → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Donald_trump&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Donald Trump → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Donald_Trump&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect use of the draft namespace. There's no page history here, both have always been redirects. This isn't a plausible search term, as nobody's gonna search for a title with the Draft: prefix, unless they're looking for a specific draft. Hog Farm Bacon 22:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. More proper usage of the draft namespace would be to copy paste the article to make potential edits to request later if you aren't extended confirmed. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 23:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, and I think an edit filter or page creation blacklisting of some sort should be created for the creation of redirects in the "Draft:" namespace that are created and target a non-"Draft:" namespace page. Steel1943  (talk) 00:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Pinging . Techie3 (talk) 01:54, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ...Who may want to consider deleting these redirects per WP:G7 and WP:SALT-ing these titles from being created by non-confirmed accounts instead, if I'm understand the reason why these redirects were created? (The creation and deletion logs for these titles are a mess.) Steel1943  (talk) 02:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as obvious maintenance. Perhaps salt if log history shows repeated attempts (not admin, can't check that myself). — JFG talk 10:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See Draft:Donald trump and Draft:Donald Trump. Steel1943  (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There may be a case for workshopping a new version of the article (see ongoing discussion Talk:Donald Trump), so I'd lean against salting for Draft:Donald Trump. The alternate capitalization Draft:Donald trump is useless. — JFG talk 10:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Lap top
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . It is WP:SNOWing. (non-admin closure) Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 09:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Lap top → Laptop (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lap_top&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible redirect, most likely because of its space. Seventyfiveyears at 22:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plausible misspelling of this compound word. (In fact, I'd say most compound words could be plausible incorrectly spelled with a space, but that's a discussion for another time, if ever.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. I believe this is an extremely common error.  228 pageviews this year.  I'm seeing no indication that this is implausible in any way. Hog Farm Bacon 22:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, this spelling variant is even used on wikipedia, currently on 10 pages . – Uanfala (talk) 23:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Plausible search term -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Almost all compound words started off as two words. An exact-word Google search for "lap top" shows that people are still offering them for sale. Narky Blert (talk) 06:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Kienspan
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 28%23Kienspan

Draft:Korea war
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:Korea war → Korean War (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Korea_war&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect use of the draft namespace. There's no page history here, it was created as a draft. Hog Farm Bacon 21:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yep, incorrect use of "Draft:" namespace. Steel1943  (talk) 22:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Unnecessary, as Korea War already redirects to Korean War. Kalidasa 777 (talk) 23:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Saburo YOKOZAWA,
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 15:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Saburo YOKOZAWA,">Saburo YOKOZAWA, → Saburo Yokozawa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saburo_YOKOZAWA,&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

User:Stoshmaster blanked, which I restored, but it doesn't seem useful. It has no incoming links, uses non-standard case, and ends with a comma. Ost (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this JUNK, While the capital last name might be forgiven for holding the or  key for much too LONG, the comma I don't see a plausible reason for KEEPING, Regards,  SONIC  678  20:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Inconsistent use of CAPS and the comma at the end make this typo to implausible to be useful or helpful. Steel1943  (talk) 20:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Capitalising a surname is reasonable (at least as reasonable as R from sort names); it's a style used in some published works. However the comma at the end pushes it over the threshold. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 00:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as an unambiguous R from move . — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The move was done 14 minutes after the initial article creation.  Ideally it would have been done without leaving a redirect, but c'est la vie.  There's no benefit to keeping this lying around. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 23:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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Kong Hong
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 27%23Kong Hong

Sources of heat
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:09, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Sources of heat → Heat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sources_of_heat&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Heat source → Heat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heat_source&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Come on, do we really need this?! Hildeoc (talk) 01:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * With no reliable source, the page seems frivolous or perhaps a Trojan horse for WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. I favour speedy deletion of the page.Chjoaygame (talk) 19:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Heat source also redirects there. Hildeoc, would you like to add it to this nomination? --BDD (talk) 19:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely!--Hildeoc (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would favour speedy deletion of this too.Chjoaygame (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I do not understand the rationale for this RfD. The page is plausible as a search term. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, I too do not understand the problem here, least of all the advocacy to speedy delete it. If someone wikilinked Heat source in an article, this seems like the obvious target. There is no particular reason these should exist as separate articles, but it's a reasonable and related phrase that seems to be pointing to an obvious closely-related topic. It seems like a classic and harmless use of a redirect. ~ mazca  talk 21:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Weak retarget to Heat transfer, which would likely be a better target, but even that's a stretch. If someone wikilinks one of these, and not "heat" itself, as suggested above, they should be slapped with a wet trout for putting unrelated verbiage into a link.  It's better to leave a red link as a hint that you've linked something vague and as a prompt to put in what's really appropriate.  On the other hand, as a search term, this is also too vague to assume that someone's looking for a general high-level article on "Heat" itself.  Best to leave it to the search engine. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 21:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mazca and LaundryPizza03. Both are perfectly plausible search terms, maybe a bit vague, but harmless enough for keeping. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 15:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I see these as plausible search terms, so I think this redirect can stay. Aasim 19:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep both per above. Heat may also be known as "Sources of heat" or "Heat source". There is no reason to delete those redirects. Seventyfiveyears at 23:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9001:6502:4734:A86C:E61A:E2C:D721 (talk)
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Ram Lalla
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ram Mandir, Ayodhya aka Option 2 signed,Rosguill talk 17:08, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Ram Lalla → Ram Janmabhoomi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ram_Lalla&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ram Lalla refers to the deity, which is an infant Rama By the page move history, the Redirect was to Ram Lalla Temple, which then redirected to Ram Janmabhoomi but now redirects to Ram Mandir, Ayodhya. A bot fix for double redirect is why it currently redirects to Ram Janmabhoomi.

Proposing to redirect either to 1. Rama (as per mythology) 2. Ram Mandir, Ayodhya (the temple of Ram Lalla)

Best regards, SerChevalerie (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Option 2, redirect to Ram Mandir, Ayodhya. That is obviously the temple for Ram Lalla. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 1 – Ram Lalla is mythologically Shri Ram, and Ram Mandir is the temple of Him. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 18:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 1: But, the Rama article nowhere discusses about Ram Lalla even in the "Birth" or "Youth, family and friends" sections. We need some relevant information to be added on Ram Lalla. Option 2 is about the temple dedicated to Ram Lalla and not about him. <b style="font-family:Palatino;color:Darkgreen">Santoshdts</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:grey"> [TalkToMe]</b> 19:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 2 per Santoshdts. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 07:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 1, as a form of the same deity. Redirecting the deity's name to an article about a temple doesn't feel right. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 2 Form of the deity associated with a particular temple, is generally redirected to the temple e.g Vishalakshi. Redtigerxyz Talk 16:27, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: !Votes are evenly split and no one seems to be satisfied with the status quo, so let's try another relist.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 15:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Option 2 Ram Lalla is almost exclusively associated with the temple. Also there's seems to be some content regarding the subject at Ram Mandir, Ayodhya. --Ab207 (talk) 15:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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INTERIOR/NIGHT
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Withdrawn by nom - missed logo. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="INTERIOR/NIGHT">INTERIOR/NIGHT → Interior Night (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=INTERIOR/NIGHT&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Might be a stylization of the name of the company, but nothing on the target page indicates this.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, see the infobox on the target page. Steel1943  (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks - Missed the logo (it's very difficult to see), but now seeing it, withdraw this nom. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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Wow, I didn't see the logo either. I was referring to the title of the infobox. A white image with a translucent background ... I'm surprised you saw it ... because I sure didn't until you pointed it out above. Steel1943 (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Shafa Malingsu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Shafa Malingsu → Sedentary lifestyle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shafa_Malingsu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a misspelling and unnecessary capitalisation of a bad over-literal translation into Chinese of the term, created by a user who was blocked for sockpuppetry (though only after this redirect was created, so it doesn't qualify as WP:CSD). The bad over-literal translation itself gets about a dozen Google Hits. Even apart from the WP:FORRED issues, the existence of this redirect adds zero value to Wikipedia and may mislead unsuspecting readers into assuming it's a correct term. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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Malingsu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Malingsu → Potato (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malingsu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED since the subject of the target article has no affinity to the Chinese language. Steel1943 (talk) 08:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. It's not even a correct spelling of the word in question (wikt:mǎlíngshǔ). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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Super tuber
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Super tuber → Potato (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_tuber&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 08:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: R3 Aasim 18:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has nothing about the subject. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Whine
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  the redirects listed here and move Whine (album) to the base title. signed,Rosguill talk 15:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Whine → Frustration (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Whiney → Frustration (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whiney&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Whining → Frustration (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whining&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Whiny → Frustration (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whiny&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

When someone is whining, frustration is not necessarily the emotion they are experiencing. Steel1943 (talk) 08:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree that this isn't a suitable target. I can't think of good targets, so either deletion or redirecting to Wiktionary would be fine by me. Whiney should definitely be deleted though: we shouldn't go that far in cataloguing the English lexicon here. Whine should either be retargeted to Whine (album), or, better, deleted to make way for the move of that article back to its pre-2017 title. – Uanfala (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Move Whine (album) to Whine. Delete the others to facilitate uninhibited Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Disk Hacker
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 27%23Disk Hacker

HDTV quality DVD Player
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 28%23HDTV quality DVD Player

Consumer entertainment device
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Consumer entertainment device → DVD player (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Consumer_entertainment_device&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and not clear why it would or should be. Other than that, the redirect is ambiguous with basically any device that could entertain consumers. Steel1943 (talk) 07:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Totally ambiguous. This could be even be a Betamax player or a phonograph. -2pou (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ...Or even a television set or a video game console. Steel1943  (talk) 20:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This term is ambiguous and the redirect may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Biographical redirects to Composer
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Timothy Thompson (composer)">Timothy Thompson (composer) → Composer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timothy_Thompson_(composer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Todd Hayen (composer)">Todd Hayen (composer) → Composer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Todd_Hayen_(composer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither of these are mentioned in the target article, and shouldn't be. If they really are R with possibilities, then they should be deleted per WP:REDLINK. Steel1943 (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Narky Blert (talk) 09:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage article creation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Bobrooney
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Bobrooney → Bob Rooney (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bobrooney&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Previously targeted Married... with Children, but I don't see this redirect being a likely search term for any subject at Bob Rooney (including Bob Rooney (Married... with Children) due to the lack of space and since the redirect is not proper WP:CAMELCASE though it is over 10 years old. Steel1943  (talk) 07:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


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List of Running Gags on Married... with Children
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  mazca  talk 16:21, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * List of Running Gags on Married... with Children → Married... with Children (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Running_Gags_on_Married..._with_Children&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such list at the target page. This redirect is a R with history that was WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT-ed back in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 07:01, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, badly capitalised, slang, and no such list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Zitteriophonic sound
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Nobody has found any indication this is an actual term in use, appearing to be some kind of old joke. ~  mazca  talk 16:21, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Zitteriophonic sound → Stereophonic sound (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zitteriophonic_sound&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, so the connection is unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 06:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Is there any credible evidence that the term 'zitteriophonic' exists at all? Presumably it's a joke. Harumphy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:35, 20 August 2020‎ (UTC)
 * Delete Agreed, looks like a bad joke made up 14 years ago and never heard from again. The same editor also created  pointing to the same target. Judging from Google, Zitterio is an Italian surname (Wikipedia mentions no one by that name) that has nothing to do with the target. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has nothing about the term. See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 21. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - No evidence this is a thing. Hoax is most likely. ~Kvng (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Noise reduction in radio broadcasting
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Am fm radio
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Regular Radio
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  mazca  talk 16:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Regular Radio → Radio (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Regular_Radio&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is unclear on what "Regular" is intended to refer. Readers searching this term may not find what they are looking for. So ... delete to allow Wikipedia's search function to do its job. Steel1943 (talk) 06:43, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Only got 11 views over the last year, so shouldn't be WP:RHARMFUL. -2pou (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. "Regular radio" has no specific meaning and Search is better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hörfunk
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B93 Birthday Bash
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . No participants have found any reason why this redirect is helpful. ~  mazca  talk 16:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * B93 Birthday Bash → Radio (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B93_Birthday_Bash&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Umm ... huh? Steel1943 (talk) 06:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete a possibly-notable annual event that is discussed nowhere in Wikipedia besides the pages of two people who happened to perform in it one year. The redirect originally pointed to Country Music, then the redirect creator went and redirected Country Music to Radio for some reason and a bot came along and "fixed" it before that got reverted. B-93 Birthday Bash got speedied a few years before this redirect was created. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Completely implausible. Aasim 19:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has no substantive content on this topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Wraithlike
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The redirects seemingly did make sense in the past when we had an article at Wraith, but in the absence of this it is not considered helpful to readers to direct them to a very nonspecific disambiguation page. ~  mazca  talk 16:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Wraithlike → Wraith (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wraithlike&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wraith-like → Wraith (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wraith-like&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wraith like → Wraith (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wraith_like&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's not clear how a reader is supposed to find what they are looking for when searching these terms if they are forwarded to a disambiguation page with multiple different, distinct subjects. It would probably be best to delete these redirects so that Wikipedia's search function can do its job. Steel1943 (talk) 06:10, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. They made more sense when wraith was an actual article, but it was moved to Ghosts in European folklore, then redirected, with none of the original content remaining. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ghost per . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a dictionary, and ghostlike etc. don't even exist as redirects to Ghost. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Misleading and confusing for readers, would be best to delete these. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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Vexation
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Rage killing
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Displeasure
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IRC +10414
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Two-Micron Sky Survey as the option that seemed to have the most support and the least opposition per the discussion below. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="IRC +10414">IRC +10414 → IRC -10414 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_%2B10414&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

IRC +10414 refers to a completely different star, not related to IRC -10414 and not mentioned at IRC -10414. This redirect is likely to cause confusion and is an unlikely search term for anyone wanting IRC -10414. Lithopsian (talk) 20:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you start an article on IRC +10414? I don't really know even where to start for this subject field. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is most likely not notable; perhaps borderline, but references are thin on the ground. It would certainly be possible to create an article since the data for a starbox exists, but beyond basic data there aren't really any references to say anything about it and it would never get beyond a stub.  Might even get tagged for deletion for failing WP:NASTRO.  Lithopsian (talk) 20:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Would it make sense to have a retarget to IRC (disambiguation)? I see IRC means Two-Micron Sky Survey and I just added IRC -10414 – The Grid  ( talk )  13:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That is what the IRC part means. The question is whether it helps anyone looking for "IRC +10414"?  Possibly it would let them know it is a star.  Perhaps it should redirect direct to Two-Micron Sky Survey unless there is some other possible meaning for it.  Lithopsian (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Weak retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey, or delete (do not keep). It's harmfully confusing as-is (very much like the example given in WP:RFD, "if 'Adam B. Smith' was redirected to 'Andrew B. Smith'"), however the TMSS page at least describes how the stars are catalogued, which does allow the reader to glean a very minimal amount of information about the star. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, while this was apparently created based on the assumption these two are the same star (so it is not an impossible mistake to make), I'd say the opportunity for confusion by being sent to the wrong star is worse. Not sure we should redirect to Two-Micron Sky Survey (I might support that if there was an easy way to get a list of all the objects whose designation starts with "IRC"). —Kusma (t·c) 20:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a link to just such a list (searchable even!) in the TMSS article's external links. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As a non-astronomer, I feel a bit intimidated by that page. Where do I need to click to get a list of stars? —Kusma (t·c) 19:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Searchable online catalog. Lithopsian (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That is the page I feel intimidated by. —Kusma (t·c) 19:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. There are 5,612 objects in that catalog.  You could list them all by setting the "max" on the left to unlimited and clicking the search button, but that might be even more intimidating.  Generally, the easiest way to search these catalogues is just to stick IRC +10414 in the box at the top.  Takes you here.  Bit of a stretch for someone who just clicked a redirect, but the information is out there.  Lithopsian (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't think of searching for an empty string. —Kusma (t·c) 20:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey. I suppose a retarget to a sensible target would be more sensible than deletion. Sam-2727 (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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Vakıflar
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Bia Angkor
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Pre-1975 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons
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 * The result of the discussion was delete all except Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons, which has no consensus  . The incoming links have been fixed, leaving these outdated titles as actively misleading and non-useful. Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons has not reached a consensus due to its high number of incoming links, and the fact that (until halfway through the debate) there was a Category:Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons, subsequently emptied and C1'ed. As an editorial action after this closure, I'm going to retarget the redirect to North Indian Ocean tropical cyclone as a decent target that should give readers the actual information they're looking for - if there are issues with this, or if the incoming links are all cleared, it can be individually renominated if anyone wishes to. ~  mazca  talk 16:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Pre-1975 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons → Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pre-1975_North_Indian_Ocean_cyclone_seasons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pre-1980 North Indian cyclone seasons → Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pre-1980_North_Indian_cyclone_seasons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons → Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pre-1980_North_Indian_Ocean_cyclone_seasons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pre-1945 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons → Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pre-1945_North_Indian_Ocean_cyclone_seasons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pre-1940s North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons → Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pre-1940s_North_Indian_Ocean_cyclone_seasons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Fix all incoming links and delete, or turn into a disambiguation (if this is considered a useful search term).

There are many pages about cyclones (or seasons) between 1900 and 1975, and the redirect is often confusing or wrong (e.g. this is used on Winston Churchill, where it is about a 1942 cyclone; the reader is not helped at all by this redirect in such a case).

The same applies to some other redirects with the same target: <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The four redirects mentioned at the end of the nomination statement (all but the first one in the nomination) were not tagged or officially listed as though they were part of the discussion until this relist. So, relisting now that all the redirects have been tagged to allow editors who may search these redirects time to provide input.
 * Pre-1980 North Indian cyclone seasons
 * Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons
 * Pre-1945 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons
 * Pre-1940s North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons Fram (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Pre-1975 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons was a former article, which was eventually moved to Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons in order to break the North Indian cyclone seasons down after more information and editors became available/interested in the region. For now they have been split into the pre-1900s, the 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960, 1961, 1962 etc, buy will probably be further broken down as information allows. As a result, I am not sure what we should do with the redirect, as i suspect we need to keep it under Wikipedia's terms. Fixing the links as time allows shouldn't be to much of a problem though.Jason Rees (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no history that needs to be kept here, so no, the Wikipedia terms (attribution and the like) don't come into play here. Fram (talk) 07:23, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I would like to see them all Deleted with the exception of Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons as there is a category based on the title: Category:Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons which would see turning into a disambiguation page.  SMB   99   thx   Email!  22:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * N.b., There's only one incoming mainspace link to the nominated page, though 36 to Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons (none to the others). --BDD (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all but Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons. I've fixed the one incoming link to the nominated page. The others really should be tagged, but per WP:NOTBURO, I won't let that alone keep me from saying delete. The incoming links to Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons should be fixed before it's deleted, though. --BDD (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all but Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons per BDD and SMB99thx above. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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Discoverer of the americas
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11-S
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Possibly an obscure and vague synonym in English, but participants generally feel that this is a frequently used abbreviation in Spanish. Given the lack of any other frequent English usages for this abbreviation to cause actual confusion, this is likely to be a net positive. ~  mazca  talk 20:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * 11-S → September 11 attacks (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=11-S&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A Google search brings up a number of uses besides the target for this string, including a NN vacuum, a model of sneakers, and what appears to be a vague chemistry thing. Hog Farm Bacon 02:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a Spanish designation for 9/11, and there's sufficient connection between the Spanish language and USA to make this a plausible search term. See es:Atentados del 11 de septiembre de 2001, boldfaced in first line. Narky Blert (talk) 09:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is still an obscure synonym to non-Hispanics. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – Even though it is a Spanish synonym of 911, it could mean practically anything the searcher may think of (cf C-pandemic). We do not want to send the readers into unexpected articles. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Narky. Plausible search term, maybe a bit vague for non-Hispanics, but not enough to warrant deletion. It’s also quite historic since it was created back in late 2003. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep because it is not only designation of 9/11 in Spanish, but also in other languages that using D/M format even in British English. For example 11-S likely refer as 11 septiembre in Spanish and 11 September in British English, akin to 11-M refer as 11 Marzo in Spanish and 11 March in English outside the US. 182.1.52.138 (talk) 00:39, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. The "S" in "11-S" stands for "September" and the "11" in that is the date. Seventyfiveyears at 01:30, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Assistant head
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