Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 9

August 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 9, 2020.

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the saddest one of all?
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the saddest one of all? → Callum Beattie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mirror,_mirror_on_the_wall,_who_is_the_saddest_one_of_all%3F&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a close, but not exact, match of the first line of a song off of You're for Me by Buck Owens. I wasn't able to find any indication that it's a line in one of Callum Beattie's songs. I would suggest redirecting to You're for Me or possibly deletion as it's not an exact match. signed,Rosguill talk 17:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * It's part of the chorus of Salamander Street. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 18:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like both Buck Owens and Callum Beattie use the same, slightly different version of this lyric, "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the saddest of them all". signed,Rosguill talk 19:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is ambiguous and there are better ways than using an encyclopedia to find song lyrics. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:01, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Discoverer of the americas
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Dan Ryan (politician)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Daniel Ryan. --BDD (talk) 15:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Dan Ryan (politician) → Government of Portland, Oregon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Ryan_(politician)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I established this redirect. Ryan is a candidate for the Portland City Commission in 2020. Would it be more appropriate to redirect to 2020 Portland, Oregon mayoral election? KidAd (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , assuming that he's significant enough to be worth mentioning at that target, sure. But currently there's no mention. signed,Rosguill talk 20:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I only mentioned it as an alternative. Currently, no page aggregates the 2020 Portland Commission elections, but Portland Commissioners are notable after they are elected. KidAd (talk) 20:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Daniel Ryan (disambiguation) Daniel Ryan as R from incomplete disambiguation. That page lists multiple politicians, in particular Dan Ryan Jr. and Daniel Joseph Ryan (who is also referred to just as "Dan Ryan" ). Any other Dan Ryan meeting WP:DABMENTION can be added at the disambiguation page. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Daniel Ryan (disambiguation) is a redirect so it would be pointless to retarget there. The DAB page you're referring to is Daniel Ryan. Unless you're suggesting someone should move that page and rename it? CycloneYoris talk! 05:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * no, that was just an error. If I wanted to move it I'd go to WP:RM. Corrected. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Daniel Ryan (disambiguation) as an R from incomplete disambiguation per 59.149.124.29, also KidAid's originally intended Dan Ryan just might be notable enough for a mention there. This seems to be the best course of action. Regards, SONIC  678  04:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * But Daniel Ryan (disambiguation) is a redirect, not a DAB page. CycloneYoris talk! 05:25, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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!hej
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

It's a strange placement of the exclamation point before the word, and it's not mentioned at the target. Googling isn't much help because it just returns a gazillion results for "hej" itself first. No indication why we have this. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 19:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * <span id="!hej">!hej → HT Eronet (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=!hej&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete. Implausible search term. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * delete per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per all. Narky Blert (talk) 06:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * !hej is name of mobile network within HT ERONET (link). I added this redirect probably because !hej was red link is some article, but in meantime it is changed and i can't find it now. --Smooth O (talk) 07:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Doll customizing
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Worcester/Archive
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Worcester/Archive">Worcester/Archive → Worcester (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Worcester/Archive&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redundant subpage; unlikely search term Certes (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Question I was going to ask if it was related to Talk:Worcester/Archive and it seems that was created yesterday when the page got moved based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. – The Grid  ( talk )  17:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The article subpage is from 2007. The talk page is new and move-related but can probably be deleted too. Certes (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete housekeeping, we don't create archive titles in article space just because a talk page has such a title. Its confusing since it might make people think its the name of something called "Worcester/Archive" but such redirect are un standard and it might be a good idea to run a database query to find others.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why didn't I think of that? There are 141 others.  Many were created by experienced regulars whose work I don't normally question, but those I checked have no incoming links.  Either we're missing something or we should consider bulk deletion. Certes (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note that this redirect dates from 2007, when talk page archiving had to be done manually. If on an archived talk page, it wasn't always easy to click back to the article page, so redirects such as this seemed a reasonable solution at the time. --RFBailey (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * If this is closed as delete (which I think it will) then we could just nominate the others in a bundled nomination (with a collapse tab) but they could possibly be deleted under G6 anyway?  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Some of the similar redirects are useful because they make links from the corresponding Talk:*/Archive page to its article blue. I still think we should delete orphan pages such as Worcester/Archive, but we should keep those which have a corresponding Talk: page. Certes (talk) 10:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete exactly per C,S. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:09, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Housekeeping, though not created in error. Steel1943  (talk) 21:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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God's bachelor pad
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * God's bachelor pad → Garden of Eden (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God%27s_bachelor_pad&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't appear to be an actual name for the Garden of Eden Hog Farm Bacon 16:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * delete seems like a joke redirect. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. – The Grid  ( talk )  13:32, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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County Borough of Worcester
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * County Borough of Worcester → Worcester (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=County_Borough_of_Worcester&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Confusing redirect, now pointing to a city that does not even mention the county borough. The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 10:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Uncontroversial change to Worcester, England. It is the result of that page being renamed. MRSC (talk) 10:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I have seen some emergency edits to fix the the problems. (Why not earlier?) Now that Worcester, England is saying something about the borough, it is clear that this indeed a sensible target. So: SPEEDY CLOSE AS KEEP, as nominator. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * County boroughs sometimes have their own articles (such as County Borough of Carlisle) otherwise they're just redirected to their settlement so unless a separate articles is created keep without prejudice to creating a separate article.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: now that it is targeted at Worcester, England. This is a former name of the muncipal government which is more-or-less coterminous with the settlement, so the former municipality does not need a separate article. --RFBailey (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Order of the Brilliant Star
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Order of the Brilliant Star → Order of the Brilliant Star of Zanzibar (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Order_of_the_Brilliant_Star&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A Google search brings up more results about the Taiwanese order (Order of Brilliant Star) than the current target. Maybe that should be the target? Paul_012 (talk) 07:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: Thanks for the notification. The search results seem fairly evenly balanced to me.  That said, I have no objections to this being re-targeted to the Taiwanese order if a hat note is provided there directing back to the Zanzibari one - Dumelow (talk) 07:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. Narky Blert (talk) 09:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. Draft provided. When this is done I suggest Order of Brilliant Star is swapped with Order of the Brilliant Star (Taiwan). Nb there are many incoming links to Order of Brilliant Star. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure about the renaming, since official sites in English appear to omit the article. This should probably be separately discussed on the article talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Dab between the two targets -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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QutubeAllahabad
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Tea table
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Table (furniture). signed,Rosguill talk 21:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Tea table → Mushroom rock (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tea_table&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I know that this is a R with history but the term seems to overwhelmingly refer to coffee table more than anything else. I could not find any sources in which it refers to the current target. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. A tea table is higher than a coffee table, which I think of as about knee-high. The Mad Hatter, the March Hare, the Dormouse and Alice drank tea while sitting around one. High tea is eaten around a tea table; that link distinguishes between various meanings of tea tables and coffee tables.
 * In short, I don't know what to do with this one beyond saying that the current target is wrong. Narky Blert (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See also Nippy, in particular the top photo which shows people having afternoon tea around a table. Narky Blert (talk) 14:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Table (furniture) consistent with Tea table (furniture). Not mentioned at the target and the edit history of the redirect reveals a long-standing unreferenced use of the term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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Greek organization
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Wikipedia:SOURCE?
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 * The result of the discussion was move to WP:SOURCEDEF  . I'm interpreting this close based on the discussion, as the final suggestion was to retarget to an as-yet nonexisting shortcut signed,Rosguill talk 21:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wikipedia:SOURCE?">SOURCE? → Wikipedia:Reliable sources (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SOURCE%3F&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The shortcut makes no sense in its present form. It also adds unnecessary confusion about reliable sources when WP:SOURCE links to a more detailed explanation of a reliable source. – The Grid  ( talk )  00:05, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Question: If this shortcut is redirected to WP:RS, what would you suggest as a replacement shortcut to use when pointing to this specific section of the WP:Verifiability policy? Blueboar (talk) 00:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's been the harder question for me. It appears the section is restating what a reliable source is from WP:SOURCE. I would suggest a hatnote that further information can be found at Verifiability rather than a new shortcut. – The Grid  ( talk )  01:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok... I think I see the problem. Both WP:V and WP:RS have (what should be) identical statements defining what a source is... and that is a good thing. Both pages need that statement, and they SHOULD be identical.
 * Yet it helps to have a shortcut for each rendition, so that you can point to the definition in the policy when discussing the policy, and to the definition in the guideline when discussing the guideline. Perhaps SOURCE for one and SOURCEDEF for the other? Don’t really care which is which. Blueboar (talk) 01:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that could work. – The Grid  ( talk )  04:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to WP:SOURCEDEF based on discussion above. – The Grid  ( talk )  17:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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