Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 12

December 12
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 12, 2020.

Conspiracy media
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Participants view this as an undesirable cross namespace redirect without an obviously good target in article-space to retarget to. Concerns about the name of the category need to be discussed at WP:CFD. ~  mazca  talk 15:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Conspiracy media → Category:Conspiracist media (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conspiracy_media&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Cross-namespace redirect from a search term that could plausibly be a stand-alone article (probably more properly at Conspiracist media. I think that deletion is appropriate to allow for internal search results and to encourage article creation signed,Rosguill talk 20:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not a native English speaker. I'd plead for a replacing the liguistically difficult category conspiracist media by the more direct term conspiracy media. The latter term is - at least at google books - more common among recent expert authors.Otto S. Knottnerus (talk) 20:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Conspiracy media" does appear to be a more commonly used phrase. I think that the spelling of the target category is neither here nor there as far as this discussion is concerned, as the bigger issue at hand is whether we need a redirect from mainspace to a category for these terms. signed,Rosguill talk 21:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete this undesirable cross-namespace redirect. Note that Conspiracist media does not currently exist. Changes to the name of Category:Conspiracist media should go to Categories for discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Redirects should not point to categories. Dimadick (talk) 10:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. We should probably have an article and/or list on this topic, but I can't find that we do so delete per WP:REDLINK. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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CIS men's national basketball team
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 10:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * CIS men's national basketball team → Soviet Union men's national basketball team (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CIS_men%27s_national_basketball_team&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of a CIS team at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There are several links from articles. Soviet Union men's national basketball team just mentions Unified Team. According to the article Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics) CIS was an informal name of the Unified Team, and that it included Georgia, which was not a CIS member at the time. Basketball at the 1992 Summer Olympics has "CIS" linking to this redirect. Could it be redirected to Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics, or did a CIS team (or Unified Team) participate in other competitions? Peter James (talk) 10:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * REtarget per above, the Commonwealth of Independent States/CIS, (former-)Soviet/USSR and Unified Team were used interchangeably informally, at that time in, and is a viable search term; IIRC it wasn't used after 1994. -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Just make sure this redirect leads to something so that Basketball at the 1992 Summer Olympics doesn't have red links all over the article. MartinYNA (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics per the above. Thryduulf (talk) 14:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics. MartinYNA (talk) 22:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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Rutsov
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . in the absence of any justification for why this particular spelling was relevant to the target. ~  mazca  talk 15:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Rutsov → Rucava (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rutsov&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not appear to be an alternative spelling in any relevant language (I checked Latvian, Lithuanian, German, and Russian). Google Scholar results appear to be for people named Rutsov. I'd suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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Nekki
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Lolwtfbbq
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Worthy effort has been put into trying to find a better target for this, but the ultimate conclusion of the discussion here seems to be that this is such a meaninglessly niche piece of slang that it just doesn't have a good target, on this project or another. ~  mazca  talk 18:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Lolwtfbbq → LOL (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lolwtfbbq&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Omgwtfbbq, or Soft redirect to the related entry on Wiktionary OMGWTFBBQ. Seems to be an alternative spelling of a long dead piece of internet slang. 192.76.8.93 (talk) 14:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternatively Soft Redirect to Appendix:English internet slang on Wiktionary. 192.76.8.93 (talk) 14:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: I just retargeted Omgwtfbbq to OMGWTFBBQ, and retargeted the latter to OMGWTFBBQ. - Eureka Lott 15:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Enwiki does not need redirects to long dead pieces of internet slang. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:39, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget in some manner per those above. Preferably to a local target; if it is deemed that those are not necessary either, then this will get deleted because it leads there. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 08:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete: so obscure it's not even included in Wiktionary's appendix of internet slang. – Uanfala (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Uanfala. Comes nowhere close to soft redirect's criteria. --BDD (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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Muslim Student Union
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Muslim Students' Association. No prejudice against the creation of a SIA on the subject. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Muslim Student Union → Muslim Student Union of the University of California, Irvine (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Student_Union&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page was recently moved. UC Irvine surely isn't the only college with a Muslim Student Union, so there shouldn't be a redirect. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 04:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm going through the links to Muslim Student Union and pointing them to Muslim Student Union of the University of California, Irvine instead. Im The IP  (talk) 08:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Dabify to the articles on various Islamic student unions and associations, e.g. Muslim Student Union of the University of California, Irvine, Muslim Students' Association, Muslim Students Association of South Africa, Muslim Students' Association (Indonesia), All India Muslim Students Federation, Aligarh Muslim University Students' Union and any others that people manage to find. This page is a reasonable search term. 192.76.8.93 (talk) 14:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Muslim Students' Association which has "Muslim Student Union" as a bolded alternative name in the lead. A dab or set index of the various such organisations would be good too but having it primary is my second preference to the retarget. Thryduulf (talk) 14:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Muslim Students' Association per Thryduulf. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment per 192.76.8.93; someone should create a list article or category for such things -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Muslim Students' Association unless/until someone drafts an actual SIA related to this term. signed,Rosguill talk 20:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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Treading On Thin Ice
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Old Shop, Newfoundland and Labrador
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Fire in space
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Eloise Webb
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Eloise Webb → An American Girl: Grace Stirs Up Success (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eloise_Webb&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Eloise Webb probably merits an article, but until such time Eloise Webb should remain a red link. CapnZapp (talk) 12:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I should add that I was semi-recently involved in a contentious and ultimately futile attempt to retain the article on Raegan Revord. If this discussion concludes it was fine to create this redirect, and that it is fine to keep Eloise Webb a redirect until such time somebody creates an article for her, I will immediately create a redirect for Ms Revord to Young Sheldon and point to this discussion, since apparently I can use a redirect to bypass the article deletion criteria. CapnZapp (talk) 12:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , there's already been discussion for Articles for deletion/Raegan Revord and it's currently sitting in Draft:Raegan Revord for being WP:TOOSOON.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No need to tell me. My point is that if we can have an entry in Wikipedia for Eloise Webb, despite her failing the actor notability requirements (at least back in 2015 when this redirect was created), we can have one for Raegan Revord. I'll gladly create a redirect if that means --> Raegan Revord <-- can go from red to blue. So it'll be interesting to see the outcome of this. CapnZapp (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment this depends if Webb is strongly tied to this film as primary topic. She's in Queen's Gambit but deep in the supporting cast section rather than starring. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete to encourage article creation. There is no suitable other target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:26, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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NH90
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Badger Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Badger Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador">Badger Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador → Pilley's Island (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badger_Bay,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Badger Bay is not mentioned in the target article. This is a part of a major cleanup of List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador, where loads and loads of creeks and bays have been added as "settlements", including Badger Bay. (See examples of cleanup.) While Badger Bay might exist as a bay, it should not redirect to a place where Badger Bay is not mentioned. Geschichte (talk) 09:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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Back Cove, St. Barbe, Newfoundland and Labrador
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Back Cove, St. Barbe, Newfoundland and Labrador">Back Cove, St. Barbe, Newfoundland and Labrador → Baie Verte, Newfoundland and Labrador (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Back_Cove,_St._Barbe,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Back Cove is not mentioned in the target article. This is a part of a major cleanup of List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador, where loads and loads of creeks and bays have been added as "settlements", including Back Cove. (See examples of cleanup.) While Back Cove might exist as a bay, it should not redirect to a place where Back Cove is not mentioned. Geschichte (talk) 09:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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Xbox 2
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Indian Punjabi
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:20, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Indian Punjabi → Punjabi language (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Punjabi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I thought it means "Punjabis living in India", but it redirects to the language used by all Punjabis. I suggest dabifying it. Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 08:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * DABify per nom and add Category:Language and nationality disambiguation pages. Narky Blert (talk) 11:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * disambiguate per nom -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, the nom makes a clear case. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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Expulsive
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Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 17:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster">Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster → Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natalia_Grosvenor,_Duchess_of_Westminster&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

redirect to spouse is misleading and disrespectful. We either have an article about a notable person or not, though not a redirect — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Question. Wouldn't this be a reason to delete all the pages that fall under R from spouse? &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 07:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want. Not here advocating that at this time. Dealing with this one. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:40, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep. There is no policy reason to delete: it is not misleading. Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster is the widow of Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster, and, in the absence of an article about her, the target article gives brief biographical details about her: there is no better target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shhnotsoloud. This is not the right place to discuss in general but unless and until consensus around that changes there is no reason to delete this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete there shouldn't usually be redirects such as this, where a person is only mentioned in the context of relation to another person. The template exists, but the fact that an article can have an infobox and categories doesn't mean that it should be kept, and it's the same for a redirect. Peter James (talk) 18:12, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Mentioned in the article with some biographical details; a useful redirect. Narky Blert (talk) 11:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is a perfectly cromulent use of a redirect. Perhaps it should be anchored (to #Personal life) but there is no reason to remove it. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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Pad (music)
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