Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 5

December 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 5, 2020.

Spontaneism (art)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 13%23Spontaneism (art)

ISpin
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * ISpin → IDog (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ISpin&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-mentioned and ambiguous. Given the mentions of other iDog variants in the article (iCy, iFish) etc, I thought it might be easily possible to just put a small one-sentence section mention in the article, but this particular variant seems to be obscure enough to have mostly dropped off the internet in the ensuing 11 years since the terrible stub article got redirected in the first place. There are also several other (probably non-notable) items in the ensuing period called iSpin, including a child seat, several fidget spinners, and some vague failed Kickstarter. There are many iSpins and none of them are mentioned on Wikipedia, so this redirect has no good target. ~ mazca  talk 19:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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Terraforming (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Terraforming (disambiguation) → Terraform (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terraforming_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

none of the target articles save the non-ambiguous one use the gerund form; therefore there is no ambiguity to be resolved. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Te Ao Hou Marae
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  as currently retargeted. The redirect was changed during the discussion to a different page that does mention it, and there have been no further objections. This may be renominated if there are legitimate issues with the new target. ~  mazca  talk 19:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Te Ao Hou Marae → Whanganui (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Te_Ao_Hou_Marae&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target; it may be valid to add a mention, but I'm not particularly familiar with the subject matter. An internet search suggests that it may be notable in its own right. Te Ao Hou Marae is mentioned at Aramoho, but the coverage is very brief and would arguably qualify for WP:R #10 if the redirect was targeted to there. Thus, I would suggest deletion to encourage article creation unless someone can add a WP:DUE and substantial mention somewhere. signed,Rosguill talk 19:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. The reason I created this redirect page was because, in the course of creating Te Ao Hou / The New World, I discovered that the redirect page Te Ao Hou pointed towards Whanganui. I took a look at the history and figured out that it was created because of Te Ao Hou Marae. I amended Te Ao Hou so that the target would be Te Ao Hou / The New World and created a replacement redirect page for the marae, without thinking too much about whether one was actually appropriate. For the reasons given in your nomination, I agree that the redirect page should be deleted. For completeness, I'm going to notify the editors of the old redirect page that this discussion is taking place in accordance with Template:Rfd notice in case they have a different view. Many thanks, Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:58, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. I created the original redirect. I have updated the redirect to point to Aramoho and expanded coverage of the marae in that article. Currently, the name of a primary school or marae usually redirects to the relevant locality article where its key attributes are described (even briefly). These are local cultural institutions that are intimately connected to their locality, and share an inseparable history with their locality. They are local entities, run by local trustee boards, that occupy a local campus, hold local events and reunions, depend on local volunteers/grants/sponsorships, and are important in the lives of people. Te Ao Hou Marae should redirect to Aramoho for the same reason Portland School, New Zealand should redirect to Portland, New Zealand, as a subtopic covered by reliable sources. Paewiki (talk) 08:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as re-targeted. Thanks Paewiki for the explanation and for the expansion of coverage. Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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The Beast(film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  as a malformed disambiguation error. ~  mazca  talk 19:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The Beast(film) → The Beast (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Beast(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible malformed redirect.  Seventyfiveyears (talk) 17:25, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Not saying whether it should be kept, but it redirects to The Beast, not The Beast. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The "#" in a link or a URL represents a section, so it redirects to "The Beast" in general.  Seventyfiveyears (talk) 23:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirects can link to different sections in articles and the properly formatted The Beast (film) actually does directly link to the section The Beast#Films.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 01:59, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The correctly formatted The Beast (film) already exists. Regards, SONIC  678  00:11, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Malformed clutter. Narky Blert (talk) 15:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 08:21, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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BOTW
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * BOTW → The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BOTW&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:36, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as initialism of the subtitle. Very commonly used, so it's a plausible redirect. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 14:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The initialism is usually capitalized as BotW, but BOTW is also used. This is easily verifiable from a cursory search, and it would be easy to add to the article if desired. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:52, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep this is extremely well used, and by far the primary topic for the acronym - the first two pages of google results were for this target, all but three of the third page and over half the fourth page. The only other uses that have Wikipedia articles are Bank of the West (which doesn't prominently use the acronym other than in it's mobile banking URL afaict) and Band on the Wall, which got only one hit and again doesn't prominently associate itself with the acronym. Those two other uses could be handled with a hatnote if necessary, but I don't really see the need as it's unlikely anyone will be looking for those topics by searching BOTW. The lack of mention of the acronym at the target isn't an issue either as essentially nobody using the term will be surprised to end up there, and it will be what the majority of those people were wanting to read about. Thryduulf (talk) 15:25, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons mentioned above - it's very commonly referred to by this name, but it should be edited to make sure the redirect page is listed as an initialism, not an acronym. GloverMist (talk) 16:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, but I would push back on changing the RCAT. I hear 'Bot-DoubleU' when I think of it, but then again I don't think I've heard out loud anyone say that or B-O-T-W. SWinxy (talk) 19:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - Very commonly used, not likely to be misunderstood even if it’s not outright stated in the article. Sergecross73   msg me  16:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. I drafted a disambiguation page for "BOTW", along with "Best of the West" and "Best of the Worst", since "Breath of the Wild" does not seem to be the primary topic.  Seventyfiveyears (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You think it’s not the primary topic because of some things like...a single season sitcom from almost 40 years ago? I don’t know about that. It’s certainly not the only BOTW, but it pretty safely falls into primary topic territory. It’s one of the best selling and best reviewed games of all time. Sergecross73   msg me  19:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there any evidence that the any of the other entries are well known as BOTW? Just because there are other things that BOTW could do conceivably be an acronym for doesn’t automatically mean that Breath of the Wild isn’t the primary topic.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If "Breath of the Wild" is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page should be created seperately, since BOTW could also stand for other things.  Seventyfiveyears (talk) 20:36, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I doubt anyone would object to the separate dab page idea.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 22:00, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A separate dab page in fine if you think it necessary (I don't), but the current target is overwhelmingly the primary topic (see my earlier comment) so I explicitly oppose converting the redirect to a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 10:08, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per others. If it needs to be mentioned in the article it could simply go in the lead like we do with PUBG, although I think it is common enough sense to not even require that. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 21:42, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as the obvious WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT by usage. Put it in the footnote along with the Japanese name if it really needs to be somewhere in the article. No objection to a disambiguation page, but it should be at BOTW (disambiguation) rather than the base title. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and no need to mention it in the article - no one needs to be told that Breath of the Wild acronyms as BOTW, readers aren't idiots. Popcornfud (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Dabify per . I don't see any problems to dabify the redirect instead of keeping it. --Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 09:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep As a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. No objections to a DAB page but it should be at BOTW (disambiguation).ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I rarely hear anybody call this game by its full title, rather using the abbreviation. Le Panini  Talk 23:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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List of Polish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . There is general dissatisfaction with the current target, and nobody's made a particularly enthusiastic suggestion of anywhere better this should target. A list with one entry is viewed as unhelpful, and a redirect to that one entry is viewed as inaccurate. RfD is not technically intended to judge lists, but there does not seem to be any appetite for continuing to discuss the non-redirect possibility. ~  mazca  talk 19:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * List of Polish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards → Kamil Bednarek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Polish_artists_nominated_for_MTV_Europe_Music_Awards&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Firstly, I'm not sure that 'List of Polish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards' is a likely search term. Secondly, the redirect makes little sense as the topic is not mentioned in the Bednarek article. I see no evidence that nationality of winners of this music award have ever been discussed at length so I don't think that restoring the original article would be appropriate either. Spiderone 11:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. The MTV Europe Music Awards have a category for best Polish act, so clearly he isn't the only Pole to have been nominated for an award. I can't see anywhere else it could be retargeted to that would make sense. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:52, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - not a valid target for this subject, although retargeting to MTV Europe Music Award for Best Polish Act might be a valid option. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I did consider that option, but Polish artists could be nominated for the awards that aren't nationality specific as well. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 14:00, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I did think about that as well, which is why my first option is to delete.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Please note that the initial article noted that it was designed to exclude MTV Europe Music Award for Best Polish Act and MTV Europe Music Award for Best European Act Spiderone  14:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's no scope for a list of one person, so it's not valid as a list. The redirect is also inappropriate per the nomination. I'm also shocked at the edit history here. Onel, you agree that it is not a valid target, so I'm flabbergasted why you would edit war to keep a target you knew was not ideal. The proper action per WP:BLAR would be to nominate the list for AfD once you saw that the redirection was objected to. Thankfully the improper redirect was not in place for too long... -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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List of Swiss artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . There is general dissatisfaction with the current target, and nobody's made a particularly enthusiastic suggestion of anywhere better this should target. A list with one entry is viewed as unhelpful, and a redirect to that one entry is viewed as inaccurate. RfD is not technically intended to judge lists, but there does not seem to be any appetite for continuing to discuss the non-redirect possibility. ~  mazca  talk 19:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * List of Swiss artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards → Robert Miles (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Swiss_artists_nominated_for_MTV_Europe_Music_Awards&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Firstly, I'm not sure that 'List of Swiss artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards' is a likely search term. Secondly, the redirect makes little sense as the topic is not mentioned in the Robert Miles article. I see no evidence that nationality of winners of this music award have ever been discussed at length so I don't think that restoring the original article would be appropriate either. Spiderone 11:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC) Swiss act]], so clearly he isn't the only Swiss artist to have been nominated for an award. I can't see anywhere else it could be retargeted to that would make sense. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The MTV Europe Music Awards have a category for [[MTV Europe Music Award for Best Swiss Act|best
 * Delete - not a valid target for this subject, although retargeting to MTV Europe Music Award for Best Swiss Act might make sense. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:58, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please note that the original article notes that it was designed to exclude MTV Europe Music Award for Best Swiss Act and MTV Europe Music Award for Best European Act. Spiderone  14:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's no scope for a list of one person, so it's not valid as a list. The redirect is also inappropriate per the nomination. I'm also shocked at the edit history here. Onel, you agree that it is not a valid target, so I'm flabbergasted why you would edit war to keep a target you knew was not ideal. The proper action per WP:BLAR would be to nominate the list for AfD once you saw that the redirection was objected to. Thankfully the improper redirect was not in place for too long... -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 12%23Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster

Alley-oop (skateboarding)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . In the absence of any mention at the target, this bracketed redirect is not viewed as helping any readers. ~  mazca  talk 19:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Alley-oop (skateboarding)">Alley-oop (skateboarding) → Skateboarding trick (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley-oop_(skateboarding)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

target has no explanation as to what an "alley-oop" is! What's the point of a redirect that redirects to nothing about the topic?? A loose necktie (talk) 03:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete while there are plenty of uses of the term on Wikipedia, not one of them leaves me any the wiser about what it means. Wiktionary's entry at alley oop tells me that it's an adjective meaning "Involving at least a 180-degree turn." suggests that an encyclopaedia article is unlikely. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Pad (music)
<span id="Pad (music)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 12%23Pad (music)

Panic City
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Participants feel that, given there's no single good target, that the search results happen to be the best option here. ~  mazca  talk 19:06, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Panic City → Darker Than Blood (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panic_City&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous redirect; fans of the New York Mets were also referred under this name. Jalen Folf  (talk)  01:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a curious one: "Panic City" has 8 mentions in Enwiki, 5 of which are about the DJ which is the subject of this RfD, but there is no suitable target for that use, and I'm having to scratch around to find reliable sources on which to base a stub article. On the whole, deletion facilitates uninhibited Search and serves the reader better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. My searches found similar results. - Eureka Lott 17:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Honk! Honk! Honk!
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Honk! Honk! Honk!">Honk! Honk! Honk! → Eddie Higgins (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Honk!_Honk!_Honk!&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer mentioned at the target; removed following a discography section fix on December 2018. Jalen Folf  (talk)  01:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, in the absence of a mention at the target this is an odd-looking redirect does not seem warranted. ~ mazca  talk 19:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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Betoko & Sam H3
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Betoko & Sam H3">Betoko & Sam H3 → Lovebreak (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Betoko_%26_Sam_H3&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Artists do not perform as a duo. Betoko is also mentioned independently at Wicked Game and at Anjunabeats Volume 11. No other mention of Sam H3 exists on this encyclopedia. Jalen Folf  (talk)  01:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:XY. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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