Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 January 11

January 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 11, 2020.

Valeria Altobelli
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 * The result of the discussion was converted to article  so thus is out of scope of RfD. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 19:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Valeria Altobelli → Annalisa Minetti (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Valeria_Altobelli&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A search for 'Valeria Altobelli' shows a completely different person. I see no link between the two. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 21:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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Non-notable Middle-earth characters
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget where suggested, and delete the rest with no prejudice against recreation where discussed. I will also move Sador (disambiguation) to the base title since it will now be vacated. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Angamaitë → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angamait%C3%AB&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Angaráto → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angar%C3%A1to&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Angrod → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angrod&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Artanga → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artanga&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Brandir → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brandir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Brandir the Lame → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brandir_the_Lame&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Rían → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R%C3%ADan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Labadal → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Labadal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sadog → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sadog&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sador → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sador&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sador (Labadal) → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sador_(Labadal)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sador Labadal → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sador_Labadal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sador Onefoot → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sador_Onefoot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Tarondor → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tarondor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Valandil → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Valandil&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Eldacar → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eldacar&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Haldir → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haldir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Rómendacil → List of Middle-earth characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R%C3%B3mendacil&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Angamaitë (and Angaráto, Angrod, ...) are characters in Middle-earth. However, none of them are mentioned in List of Middle-earth characters. They cannot be added to the list, as, in the lead, it states it is a list of notable characters only, and thus all its entries are blue-linked. So these redirects are not helpful. BenKuykendall (talk) 19:26, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.169.44 (talk)
 * Retarget Brandir to The Children of Húrin, retarget Sador and Labadal to List of fictional characters with disabilities as Sador (Labadal is a nickname) is described in that list, retarget Valandil to Númenor, and delete the others. Hog Farm (talk) 21:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with the other retargets, but I'm wary of redirecting to List of fictional characters with disabilities. There are currently no redirects to that page, and it seems like the majority of its items either have their own articles or are described at some length elsewehere. BenKuykendall (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after thinking about that, I agree with you on that one. Since Sador/Labadal does not receive mentions at the plot summaries of Tolkien's works, deletion is probably the best way to handle those redirects. Hog Farm (talk) 01:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Agree that they're non-notable. Faolin42 (talk) 04:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Please Retarget Haldir to Húrin. Please note also that since there are going to be potentially hundreds of these redirects to attend to, it would be very helpful if everyone could do a search and attempt to retarget somewhere more sensible than List of ME characters before proposing deletion, or indeed before bringing things here if possible (I know that's a tough call, but "ask for what you want" is a useful maxim.) With the exception of Brandir (also retarget please, as above), the rest should be deleted. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that, if an appropriate target exists, a redirect is better than deletion. But in this case, the connection seems tenuous. Sure, Haldir is Húrin's uncle. But I don't see any further coverage of him in the article Húrin, unless there's something I'm missing. I'm not convinced unnotable characters should be redirected to their nearest notable relation unless the redirect is discussed non-trivially in the target.
 * You didn't bring this up, but as long as we're talking about procedure... it's always a challenge to bring many redirects to discussion. You can make many individual discussions, in which case it is hard to get participants in all of them. Or you can do mass discussions like this, in which case there is bound to be disagreement around a few. Hopefully we can reach the right consensus on all of the redirects. BenKuykendall (talk) 23:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom, without prejudice to or other editors boldly re-creating one or two redirects that might be useful. Doug Mehus  T · C  18:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's an odd and roundabout way to do things. Redirects are cheap, and the three that have been mentioned have good homes to go to. The logical thing to do is to retarget them. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Since there was no history or attribution to retain, it seemed like a nice way to start fresh, but I am fine with deleting all except those one or two identified by you. Doug Mehus T · C  23:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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Soleimani
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 January 21%23Soleimani

NetHack/Amulet of Yendor
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 January 19%23NetHack/Amulet of Yendor

Wizard of Yendor
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Wizard of Yendor → NetHack (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wizard_of_Yendor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wizard Of Yendor → NetHack (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wizard_Of_Yendor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target page, or anywhere else in Wikipedia. Not a very active user (talk) 06:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Note possible confusion with Witch of Endor. Narky Blert (talk) 12:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Similar nominations merged. Steel1943  (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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Draft:Baggins of Hobbiton
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . The content has been history merged into Baggins of Hobbiton. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 10:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:Baggins of Hobbiton → Baggins of Hobbiton (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Baggins_of_Hobbiton&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Very unlikely search term. Users are going to search for the article, not a draft. Hog Farm (talk) 05:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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Wulf (Middle-earth)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Nomination withdrawn, as nominator, I admit I missed mentions. (non-admin closure) Hog Farm (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wulf (Middle-earth)">Wulf (Middle-earth) → Rohan (Middle-earth) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wulf_(Middle-earth)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Appears to only be mentioned in a Middle-earth sense at Wulf (disambiguation). Hog Farm (talk) 05:04, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Mentioned twice, with brief details, in the current target. Narky Blert (talk) 12:33, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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Brambles of Mordor
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Content about subject has been added to article.  Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Hog Farm (talk) 15:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Brambles of Mordor → Mordor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brambles_of_Mordor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Brambles" are mentioned once at the Mordor article, but in a very generic sense. Nothing in the Mordor article suggests that the Brambles of Mordor are a specific item someone would search for. Hog Farm (talk) 04:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, that was a fault of the article, not the subject. I have added two citations for the Brambles of Mordor, and a quotation. To be honest, since redirects are cheap and someone thought it worth writing about this topic, we should aim to preserve the coverage unless there is extraordinarily good reason not to do so. Redirects enable Wikipedia readers to find their way to topics, and even if there are not many of them, they are still our "customers", and our first duty is to ensure that their searches are successful and rewarded with at least a brief and sensible description.Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:28, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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Round Green Door
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Round Green Door → Shire (Middle-earth) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Round_Green_Door&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Oddly specific and not mentioned under this name at the target article. I imagine this is a reference to the door to Bag End (Bilbo and Frodo's house), but that is never actually referred to by this name to my memory. Hog Farm (talk) 04:55, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not mentioned in the target, therefore useless. (Even if Tolkien called it a round green door (I haven't checked), I'm pretty sure he didn't call it a Round Green Door; and even if he did, I'd want a citation to justify a keep.) Narky Blert (talk) 01:10, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment If I remember my The Hobbit right, it is round, green, and a door, but never referred to by those characteristics as a proper name. There are many round, green doors in the world. Hog Farm (talk) 05:10, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, I suppose someone COULD search like that but that really would be scraping the barrel. Much better search terms are already available. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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"Dor-en-Ernil"
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * "Dor-en-Ernil" → Gondor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%22Dor-en-Ernil%22&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

We already have Dor-en-Ernil, and adding quotation marks around the title of this redirect makes this phrase an extremely unlikely search target. Hog Farm (talk) 04:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ACK, expecting a decent search result for verbatim copy + paste snippets is one thing, adding the double quotes is not the job of redirects. Remotely related, I alerted WT:Me, they are supposed to know what should be rescued by adding missing targets. –84.46.52.190 (talk) 10:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete : Faolin42 (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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