Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 January 9

January 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 9, 2020.

Little house of loreto
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 10:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Little house of loreto → Basilica della Santa Casa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_house_of_loreto&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of this phrase at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 22:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's what I've always heard it called. Even if it's not common enough to be mentioned in the article, it's a term some people might know it as. And I don't see how deleting redirects makes Wikipedia any better to use. WP:Redirect: Reasons for not deleting 5. "Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways." Just because one person's never heard of a term doesn't mean others haven't. PaulGS (talk) 01:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Majoritarian socialism
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 10:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Majoritarian socialism → Democratic socialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majoritarian_socialism&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target, a Google Scholar search would suggest that this isn't really a term in use, and the few matches do not use the phrase "Majoritarian socialism" equivalently to "democratic socialism" (e.g. ...robust enough to produce an impressive though never majoritarian socialism. I would suggest deletion. signed,Rosguill talk 04:26, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - Democracy is about majority votes. So democratic and majoritarian are very similar words. Crashed greek (talk) 05:38, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * A government can be majoritarian without being democratic. signed,Rosguill talk 05:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 13:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete or at least redirect to socialism. Majoritarian and democratic are not interchangeable. A democracy can be non-majoritarian, and many aspects of the United States democratic republic are democratic but non-majoritarian such as super-majority margins and minority protections such as the Electoral College and filibuster. Similarly, a government can be majoritarian and non-democratic, aristocratic deliberative bodies like the early English House of Lords would be an example of a majoritarian government that is non-democratic. All of this is a little beside the point though because democratic socialism is a political ideology that covers far more than vote thresholds whereas "majoritarian socialism" covers any socialist ideology that makes decisions through majority decision. I think deletion is probably better per Rosguill, but I'd be fine with redirecting to socialism given the broadness of the term and potential use as a search term. — Wug·a·po·des​ 18:31, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Is that some confusion with Bolsheviks? KMFDM –84.46.52.190 (talk) 10:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per as it's misleading and mixing two concepts. Doug Mehus  T · C  03:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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Battle of Vega Real
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Now a stub article. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Battle of Vega Real → Caonabo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Vega_Real&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No battle by this name, or even just Vega Real for that matter, is mentioned at the target, nor at the esWiki article. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 04:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep PBS sorta uses the term: "Christopher Columbus and his troops fight the battle of Vega Real in Hispaniola." And this book states Caonabo led forces against Columbus. — Wug·a·po·des​ 18:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep as stub article (with maintenance tags no references, no categories and expand Spanish). The corresponding (and Wikilinked) Spanish article es:Batalla de la Vega Real is well-developed. Narky Blert (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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88100
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 10:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * 88100 → Motorola 88000 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=88100&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 88200 → Motorola 88000 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=88200&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's several other examples of the number 88100 being used in other Wikipedia articles (and even Motorola 88100, which would appear to be the intended target of the first redirect). Given the broad variety of possible targets, I would suggest deletion and letting the internal search do its work. signed,Rosguill talk 22:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, per nom and also fails WP:NUMBER as a non-notable number. If the argument is that it's a partial title match of a Motorola product, then that's also a reason for deletion. Utopes (talk) 04:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The reason behind the creation of these redirects is the precedent set by 68000. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Weak delete; is the primary topic but I think it's best here to let the search engine handle this as occasionally someone will search this wanting something else. Extremely low number of searches too. 68000 should be deleted as well.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at  05:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * (Weak) delete per WP:NUMBER as non-notable numbers, and WP:XY. 14.207.204.171 (talk) 04:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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BiglyBT
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  and prevent re-creation, given the repeated non-notable and promotional contributions surrounding this piece of software, which is not mentioned in the target article due to a lack of reliable-source coverage. ~  mazca  talk 01:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * BiglyBT → Vuze (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BiglyBT&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect to a non-existent section. As part of continuing spam, please salt after deletion. The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you're seeing spam. You exhibit a consistent pattern of removing the section on a fork of Vuze, which is a legitimate bit of information about the formerly free software project. Unless you can prove you're not affiliated with Vuze, I assume your interest in not having this information available. I will have your behaviour reported. Andrej Shadura (talk) 22:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * "I will have your behaviour reported" is a WP:THREAT and should be withdrawn. Narky Blert (talk) 04:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * It is not since WP:THREAT is about legal threats. I had, in fact, made a report, which was not deemed valid and was dismissed; withdrawing anything makes little sense now. I don’t have anything else to say on this matter. Andrej Shadura (talk) 11:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Please see the repeated deletion of several versions of User:Romerojp/BiglyBT or User:TuxPaper/sandbox/BiglyBT made by several editors. And this page is also interesting: User_talk:TuxPaper. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 23:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And please stop removing this deletion request. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 10:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note redirect fully protected as the creator was repeatedly removing the MfD template. Black Kite (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete due to lack of mention at the target. signed,Rosguill talk 00:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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F Line (Los Angeles Metro)
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British National (Overseas) - extra information
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Nick B
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Consensus that it's an ambiguous abbreviated name with no evidence of significant use to refer to this particular target. ~  mazca  talk 01:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Nick B → Nick Barat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nick_B&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target as an alternate name, searching online I found results about someone who was on The Bachelor and a Russian youtuber. I would suggest deletion. signed,Rosguill talk 20:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neither his Discogs entry nor his Allmusic (signed) biography mention "Nick B". Despite the imperfections of those as sources, Discogs in particular is often good on musical aliases. All I found was Nick-B, someone else altogether, a WP:NN rapper. Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete In a global encyclopedia, Nick B could refer to anything. Potentially, it's a valid DAB page, if someone wants to create DAB pages for first names and the first letter of the last name, but at present, I can see no need for this article. Clear WP:PRIMARY fail. --Doug Mehus T · C  17:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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Obscure Middle-earth redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Strong consensus that these are obscure and unhelpful given the lack of mention in the target. ~  mazca  talk 20:36, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Enedhwaith → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Enedhwaith&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Nîn-in-Eilph">Nîn-in-Eilph → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=N%C3%AEn-in-Eilph&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Nin-in-Eilph → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nin-in-Eilph&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Onodlo → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Onodlo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Onodló">Onodló → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Onodl%C3%B3&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Nen Hithoel → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nen_Hithoel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sir Ninglor → Middle-earth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sir_Ninglor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Hog Farm (talk) 18:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not mentioned in the target (or anywhere else); no use to anyone. Nor should it be mentioned in the target: all this Middle-Earth fancruft which would have trouble justifying its existence in a wikia needs to go. This is WP:NOTDIRECTORY stuff. Narky Blert (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. If these terms were at least mentioned on the target article, I could see a case that the links were useful. But without even that, I'm not sure how to justify their existence. BenKuykendall (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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Oven Toast Grill
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John Doe (rapper)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="John Doe (rapper)">John Doe (rapper) → Doe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Doe_(rapper)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A link to a DAB page with no relevant entry. Delete. Narky Blert (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nominator. Not a useful redirect for anyone, and no history that needs to be preserved. Glades12 (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has no information about a rapper called John Doe (or at least I don't think it does). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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Ronna
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Eofor (Middle-earth)
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Esgalduin
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Firienholt
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Máhanaxar (Two spellings)
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Tyrn Gorthad
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Amon Lhaw
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Middle-earth redirects not mentioned on the English Wikipedia
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Adorn (Middle-earth)
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