Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 15

July 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 15, 2020.

Day Software
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Day Software → Adobe Systems (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Day_Software&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Effectively a dead company, one of many dozens that Adobe buys every year. Don't see the point.  scope_creep Talk  23:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. For context on this redirect's current state, see the respective WP:ANI discussion here. This redirect is a R with history, but the page was created as a result of paid editing. Long story short, I see a case for "keep" since the redirect is mentioned in the target and thus can be considered a R from subtopic, but I can also see a case for "delete" since the redirect could enable some form of problematic WP:SEO. Ultimately though, I see more benefits of "keep" versus "delete". Steel1943  (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Virtually any redirect to any article the subject of which could benefit from SEO could in theory be used problematically in that manner. Accordingly I don't think we should attach much, if any, weight to that in determining the usefulness or otherwise of a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's my thought process on this as well. I'm just giving it a bit more weight in this discussion than I'd usually do due to the referenced WP:ANI discussion existing ... which seemed to be partly related to SEO with all of the pages created by the referenced entity. Steel1943  (talk) 18:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: insufficiently notable for a redirect. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, mentioned in article, but remove circular wikilink in Adobe Systems. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Done, since however this discussion ends the circular wikilink needs to go. Martinp (talk) 22:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I'm the one who replaced the content via a redirect, following on the discussion referenced by Steel1943 above. The content is weak, but not useless. In the (unlikely) case someone ever wants to salvage some of this, they can find it in history. No fundamental objection to zapping it, but redirects are cheap. Martinp (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Dirty Don
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Dirty Don → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dirty_Don&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD. Momo824 (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL, "Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term." p  b  p  08:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * While WP:RNEUTRAL is definitely relevant, none of these are (presently) mentioned at the target or at List of nicknames of presidents of the United States, the obvious other target (I haven't checked the page histories), so unless (sourced) mention is added my recommendations are:
 * Delete Dirty Don. There are no occurrences of this in articles that mention Donald Trump. There is a passing mention at WFTU (AM) of a "Dirty Don" referring to a Don Cannon, but the nickname is not mentioned in any of our articles about people with this name). Julio Dinero and Reckless Youth note a wrestler named Don Montoya with the nickname/ringname "Dirty Don" but we don't have an article about anyone with that name. Finally Travis Draft once played a character with this name. None of those mentions are sufficient for a disambiguation page, and even then Donald Trump wouldn't be on it at present, so we're left with deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I've split these out to avoid a potential WP:TRAINWRECK. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:RFD; no reliable sources to support this as a common/plausible nickname in widespread use. wjematherplease leave a message... 09:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 23:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not a widely used neologism, and could refer to any number of Dons. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This expression is ambiguous and the redirect may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:11, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Devokewater @  23:44, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per AngusWOOF. BLP policy is also relevant; we're not censored but on balance we're left with an attack rather than a common/plausible nickname. Martinp (talk) 19:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Cadet Bone Spurs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Cadet Bone Spurs → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cadet_Bone_Spurs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD. Momo824 (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL, "Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term." p  b  p  08:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * While WP:RNEUTRAL is definitely relevant, none of these are (presently) mentioned at the target or at List of nicknames of presidents of the United States, the obvious other target (I haven't checked the page histories), so unless (sourced) mention is added my recommendations are:
 * Delete Cadet Bone Spurs: This is mentioned in a quote at Tammy Duckworth, at List of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes (2018) and in the title of a reference at 2018 United States Senate election in Wisconsin. Only the first of these gives any context sufficient that a reader unfamiliar with the term would understand it, but I'm very reluctant to point a non-neutral nickname to the article of a different person, especially as it is not clear whether Tammy Duckworth was the originator of the epithet. With no good target deletion is all we have available. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I've split these out to avoid a potential WP:TRAINWRECK. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or retarget to Tammy Duckworth, where it is mentioned/explained. wjematherplease leave a message... 09:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 23:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has no substantive content about Cadet Bone Spurs, and Search provides a better result. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete essentially per Thryduulf. Somewhat more borderline than the other nick, but on balance the same applies. Martinp (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Westward expansion
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 27%23Westward expansion

IPhone 10
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to IPhone X. signed,Rosguill talk 20:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * IPhone 10 → IPhone XR (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPhone_10&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

For reasons I cannot comprehend, there is a edit war for this redirect between iPhone X and iPhone XR. iPhone X looks like the obvious target because it's pronounced "iPhone Ten", but here we are. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Change redirect target back to iPhone X. iPhone 10 was created as a redirect page to iPhone X on 12 September 2017. Apparently iPhone 10 refers to iPhone X, and iPhone 10R refers to iPhone XR. --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to iPhone X. This also strikes me as a common sense situation. Mz7 (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking the background here, for years this was a redirect to "iPhone X". The retargeting to iPhone XR occurred earlier today by without consensus and apparently also completely without reason. Because "iPhone X" is the status quo ante, that should be the default option here. Mz7 (talk) 21:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I am having another dispute with the creation of iPhone 9. iPhone 9 and iPhone 10 are all incorrect names. r from incorrect name. Neel.arunabh (talk) 22:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to iPhone X as most likely search name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngusWOOF (talk • contribs) 17:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/news/apple/145701-why-is-there-no-iphone-9 iPhone X has been discontinued. The iPhone X is not labeled as "iPhone 10". Apple never released the iPhone 9 and iPhone 10 and in its place released the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and the iPhone XR. Neel.arunabh (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Per your own source: Let's answer the iPhone 10 question first as it's easy. There actually WAS an iPhone 10 launched in late 2017, but it was known as the iPhone X. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Magwayen
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Madja-as. Deryck C. 23:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Magwayen → Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magwayen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Could also refer to Madja-as. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, this can be resolved with a hatnote. signed,Rosguill talk 21:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rosguill. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget or disambiguate per WP:PRIMARYRED. The god is more likely than the current target to be primary by long-term significance and usage - in particular, all the Google Books hits are about the former. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 14:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Madja-as while adding a hatnote linking to Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild per IP. It is indeed the primary topic when you look at the search results in Google and DuckDuckGo. I oppose disambiguation though, as there doesn't seem to be enough notable topics with the same name for a dab. No prejudice if somebody can prove that there are more than two instances of different "Magwayens". Also, if this discussion results in a retarget, don't forget to fix the old links (like the one at Bidasari (play)). --pandakekok9 (talk) Junk the Philippine anti-terror law! 09:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Madja-as and provide hatnote. I agree with pandakekok9 that this is the primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:21, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget and hatnote per pandakekok9. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:36, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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List of Nazi camps
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Types of Nazi camps. Not much of of a consensus between retargeting or deletion, but will default to the alternative to deletion. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:17, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * List of Nazi camps → List of Nazi concentration camps (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Nazi_camps&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading redirect, as the target is more specific as to what it is a list of. There were several types of Nazi camps of which the Nazi concentration camps were only one type. A complete list covering all types of Nazi camps would need more than 44,000 entries (source), which is clearly impractical. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – This is what people will be looking for when they want to know about Nazi concentration camp. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 12:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Any discussion of redirects is premature until the outcome of Articles for deletion/List of Nazi extermination camps and euthanasia centers is decided and based on that a consensus is reached at the talk page discussion about how the article should be restructured at Talk:List of Nazi concentration camps <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"> // Timothy ::  talk  12:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or retarget to Types of Nazi camps. "Nazi camp" is very broad concept, not limited to concentration camps. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete even the types of camps article is lacking, since this could mean Hitler Youth summer camps -- 70.51.44.93 (talk) 02:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or retarget per K.e.coffman. A sensible solution that lets classification issue get sorted in one place, and to the extent this would be a frequent search term, takes the reader to a useful place for them to figure out what they actually want. Martinp (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Types of Nazi camps. While it may not be precisely what the reader is looking for, it will almost certainly have a link to where they want to go, and is more useful than search results. signed,Rosguill talk 20:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Y
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn.  . (non-admin closure) Interstellarity (talk) 11:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Y → Wikipedia:Help desk (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Y&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can't figure out why this redirects to the help desk. I suggest this be retargeted elsewhere. Interstellarity (talk) 11:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The talk page of that redirect points here as the rationale. Sam Walton (talk) 11:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you think that the current target of the redirect is appropriate? Why or why not? Interstellarity (talk) 11:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong keep since the current target has been the nominated redirect's target for over 13 years and has never changed. If there is an established need to create Y (disambiguation), go for it and put a hatnote at the top of the nominated redirect's target. Steel1943  (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Steel1943. The redirect also has thousands of incoming links, retargeting would either take a lot of work to fix those links or leave loads of incorrect redirects. Danski454 (talk) 19:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment this was previously discussed in a batch nomination at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 10. Danski454 (talk) 19:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Lots of people use the shortcut when linking to the help desk so it fulfills its intention. As it has been long established (and as the original creator), I would say keep. Difficultly north (talk) Simply south alt. 21:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Y not? -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Long established and no alternative target has been identified so change would be disruption for literally no benefit. Thryduulf (talk) 00:47, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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Enne
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 22%23Enne

Persecution of Christians in Nazi Germany
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 22%23Persecution of Christians in Nazi Germany

Akokra Nana
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 * The result of the discussion was moot  . (non-admin closure) Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 17:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Akokra Nana → Nana Adjei Sikapa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akokra_Nana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

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 * Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 18:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - supposed target fails WP:GNG →Enock 4 seth  (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's irrelevant to the redirect. If the target is deleted this can be speedily deleted (G8) but unless and until that happens this is a good redirect, now I've added a mention of the name. Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added a sourced reference to the name to the target. Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Likely to be soon moot, judging from Articles for deletion/Nana Adjei Sikapa. Narky Blert (talk) 04:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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