Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 22

July 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 22, 2020.

Enne
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 30%23Enne

Persecution of Christians in Nazi Germany
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 30%23Persecution of Christians in Nazi Germany

Adhura Milan
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  for now but send the target article to a deletion discussion. Deryck C. 22:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Adhura Milan → Milan (Pakistani TV series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adhura_Milan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While the theme song of the target article's subject (a 2000 Pakistani TV series) does appear to be called Adhura Milan, the term is far more likely to refer to the unrelated 2014 series on A-Plus TV (e.g. at Kinza Hashmi). This redirect should be deleted in order to avoid unnecessary confusion of the two. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 22:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep If there are two possible uses and only one has its own article, it's much more logical to point there. There are currently two incoming links in mainspace: the one from Kinza Hashmi you pointed out, and one from Jana Malik, which is appropriately referring to the 2000 series. Is there any relationship between the two series, since they're both from the same network (e.g., the 2014 one is a remake of the 2000 one)? Assuming the redirect is kept as is, the link at Kinza Hashmi should be changed to Adhura Milan (2014 TV series) or removed. --BDD (talk) 19:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Re they're both from the same network: no, they're not; that's a blatant factual error, because A-Plus TV did not exist at the time (it was created five 10 years later). I suspect that it found its way into the Milan (Pakistani TV series) article because whoever added it was confused by this redirect, and thought they were editing the article on the 2014 series, which pretty much proves my point in starting this RfD.I also don't see why the name of a theme song should redirect to the associated TV series, unless it is frequently used in reference to said series (it's not). M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 02:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm now starting to think that Milan (Pakistani TV series) might be a hoax of sorts: 1) as I mentioned above, the TV channel did not exist in 2000; 2) there is no trace of any Pakistani drama named Milan around that year (although there apparently was an Indian one); and 3) searching around only found this, which largely has the same cast list as the article we are looking at here, but says "Adhura Milan" (emphasis mine) in the Urdu title-card, and was quite obviously not filmed 20 years ago, given that one of the thumbnails clearly features a teenage Kinza Hashmi, who should have been a toddler at the time!Sorry for rambling, but I conclude that there never was a Pakistani drama in 2000 named Milan. Any advice on what should be done? M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 02:21, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Aha. Thanks, M Imtiaz, and apologies for not checking the infobox at A-Plus TV. It sounds like you have a strong case for an AfD on Milan (Pakistani TV series), whether it's indeed a hoax or just some sort of misunderstanding. I think it might be best to go to AfD and close this discussion. If the target is deleted, the redirect will go under G8. --BDD (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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21st-century Quran
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 31%2321st-century Quran

Kosovo national cricket team
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Kosovo national cricket team → Serbia national cricket team (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kosovo_national_cricket_team&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of Kosovo at the target, I would suggest deletion signed,Rosguill talk 19:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Kosovo isn't a member of the ICC and I can't find any reference to cricket in the country. It plays other sports internationally, so a redirect to Serbia would seem to be misplaced. Happy it should be deleted - can't quite work out why it was created: presumably misplaced enthusiasm? The project page at WikiProject Cricket/missing countries was updated minutes later - I'm really not sure this is a particularly helpful resource either (I mean, I know a little about Tristan de Cunha and can't quite see why we'll ever need an article about cricket there...). Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. No such thing = no article. Pun with my own username noted. No such user (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as made up. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:52, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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Alex Aiken
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Alex Aiken → Nickie Aiken (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alex_Aiken&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Alex Aiken is also a Stanford CS professor and husband of Jennifer Widom. Disambiguating between two people without articles, especially when the redirect targets (spouses) are questionable, is not useful, so it should be redlinked to encourage article creation should either of them prove to be notable. King of ♥ ♦ ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 17:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom to encourage article creation. Until them, Search is better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:12, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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Stray cat
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  Stray cat to Feral cat with hatnote. There's no particular agreement or argument over whether to specifically target Feral cat; as it is the first section under the lead anyway I've elected to leave the redirect at the base title. Retarget Stray cats to Stray Cats as an alternative capitalisation. ~  mazca  talk 22:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Stray cat → Stray Cats (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stray_cat&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Stray cats → Stray Cats (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stray_cats&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think "stray cat", or "stray cats", at that capitalisation is ambiguous. So, where should they target (Cat, Estray)? Note these redirects are orphans. Note that Stray Cats is an article and Stray Cats (disambiguation) the associated disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget Stray cat to Feral cat, hatnote to The Stray Cat film and Stray Cats (disambiguation). Are there any others that are just "Stray Cat"? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 06:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget Stray cat to Feral cat (with hatnote as per AngusWOOF), Stray cats to Stray Cats as R from alternate capitalisation. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Would it be better to specifically point to Stray cat Stray cat? I don't disagree that these are largely interchangeable in common usage, but this section speaks to the distinction. --BDD (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * do you mean Feral cat? -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep! --BDD (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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Stray cat (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Stray cat (disambiguation)">Stray cat (disambiguation) → Stray Cats (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stray_cat_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Stray cats (disambiguation)">Stray cats (disambiguation) → Stray Cats (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stray_cats_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete the (disambiguation) redirects at this capitalisation, because "stray cat" and "stray cats" is not ambiguous, noting that Stray Cats is an article and Stray Cats (disambiguation) the associated disambiguation page. Connected with the entry above. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Tear This Club Up (Britney Spears song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Tear This Club Up (Britney Spears song)">Tear This Club Up (Britney Spears song) → Britney Spears (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tear_This_Club_Up_(Britney_Spears_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="B-Girl (Britney Spears album)">B-Girl (Britney Spears album) → Britney Spears (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B-Girl_(Britney_Spears_album)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I assume these were the result of some faulty crystal balls. I can't find a trace of such projects anywhere on Wikipedia. --BDD (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Both redirects were clearly WP:MADEUP, since no Britney song or album with these titles exist. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Star for all Season
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Star for all Season → Britney Spears (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_for_all_Season&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of anything by this name on Spears's article. All search results seem to be referring to a Filipino work, or informal honorifics given to various celebrities. BDD (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A Google search shows no mention of anything about Britney Spears. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Osama Lutfi
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . Anyone could've closed this today anyway, but I think we're at unanimity. I had already tagged Osama Lutfi with , and given the course of the discussion, I'll establish redirects from both "Lufti" forms with the same tag. --BDD (talk) 18:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Osama Lutfi → Britney Spears (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Osama_Lutfi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sam Lutfi → Britney Spears (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Lutfi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's no mention of this person at the target article or anywhere on Wikipedia. According to a quickly reverted one-sentence article, he's a personal assistant of Spears. --BDD (talk) 15:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * He was her manager, and meets GNG himself unless it's counted as 1E, as there has been international coverage of their relationship and the restraining order. However, now he's not mentioned in her article, there is no point in the redirect. Boleyn (talk) 16:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Sam Lufti is mentioned in the article so is a reasonable redirect. No mention of Osama Lufti, so delete that one. Pam  D  18:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops. I searched for "Lufti" rather than "Lutfi". Thanks, PamD for both pointing out my WP:BEFORE error and using the same misspelling as me, so I'm not alone. :) It looks like Osama is indeed his real first name, so at this point, I'd be fine with withdrawing / keep close. I just added Rcats to Osama that should help. --BDD (talk) 13:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per (thank you) provided that the 2 redlinks are also created: it doesn't make sense to redirect misspellings but not the correct spelling. Talking of which, this is so commonly misspelt I can't work out which is correct. I have NME, Independent, Mail with Lufti; and CNN, Guardian, Metro, Sun with Lutfi! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:24, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: I didn't realise these were two redirects for same person, didn't twig that "Sam" was short for "Osama"!. If redirecting from Osama, could usefully add this alternative name into the text, please: someone following a redirect from Osama and using "Find in page" won't find the mention unless we do so. I really thought we were discussing redirects from two different people. Lockdown brain fade. Pam  D  11:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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Selina Gormez
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Selina Gormez → Selena Gomez (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selina_Gormez&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The use of "Gormez" makes this an implausible misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete not a likely spelling error for anybody looking to find this subject. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 15:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible misspelling. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – Plausible misspelling. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:50, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How is this misspelling plausible? Can you please elaborate? <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Pronounce both Selina Gomez and Selina Gormez (using Spanish vowels). You can find the latter more euphonious. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 07:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible misspelling. The only Gormez in English WP is Mehmet Görmez, a Turkish cleric whose surname is spelt differrently ("o" != "ö"). There's no "r", voiced or unvoiced, in "Gomez" in any pronunciation I can think of. Narky Blert (talk) 21:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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Selenator
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of fandom names. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 15:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Selenator → Selena Gomez (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selenator&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of fandom names, which does include that as one of its entries. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 15:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: I oppose this option since no other such redirects target List of fandom names. Steel1943  (talk) 15:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether anything similar redirects there as long as this term can be found on that page. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 15:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's not start such a precedent. Glambert redirects to Adam Lambert and is even mentioned in the target page. Let's find a way to mention "Selenator" in the Selena Gomez article, and call it a day. Steel1943  (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ...And for the record (in the spirit of WP:SOFIXIT), I skimmed through the Selena Gomez article, and could not find an appropriate location to put mention of "Selenator" with a reference. Steel1943  (talk) 21:03, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per SNUGGUMS. Whether other redirects do or don't point to the target is irrelevant. What matters is only whether someone using this search term is taken to the most appropriate location, which is the list of fandom names. Thryduulf (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per SNUGGUMS. There's info at that target. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST are not relevant to redirects. The sole issue is whether or not a reader searching for an expression will end up better informed. Narky Blert (talk) 21:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:LTA/TTI
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wikipedia:LTA/TTI">LTA/TTI → Wikipedia:Long-term abuse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:LTA/TTI&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention in page 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. The target of this section redirect was deleted 4 minutes after its creation – 10 years ago. Favonian (talk) 10:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are no LTA cases about users who could reasonably be abbreviated TTI. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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