Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 5

July 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 5, 2020.

Erelim
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was procedural close as wrong forum.  Thryduulf (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Erelim → Er'el (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erelim&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is there a way to delete the 'Erelim' page so that the one titled 'Er'el' can be correctly renamed, and so that there are not two unnecessary articles of the same topic? Magic-ramen (talk) 23:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What you want is to move the Er'el page over the redirect, for that you want Requested moves. Thryduulf (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Template:Uw-attempt
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Template:Uw-attempt1. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Template:Uw-attempt → Template:Uw-attempt3 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-attempt&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page was created as a result of a move. Since then, very few people have used it and/or seen it (only 2 pageviews in the last 30 days as of 23:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)). What is this redirect's purpose now? ◊ PRAHLAD balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 23:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Uw-attempt1, similar to how Template:Uw-vandalism and other similar redirects are set up. Steel1943  (talk) 23:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Uw-attempt1. Our default oughtn't be to send people straight to level 3, unless an editor manually requests that, per WP:AGF. Naypta ☺ &#124; ✉ talk page &#124; 10:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

TheChunky
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per G6 and G7. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * TheChunky → User:TheChunky (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TheChunky&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think that redirects are supposed to go from article space to userspace. Zoozaz1 (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, while Editing my userpage, I submitted my userpage as draft and accepted it mistakenly. I reverted it back by moving it back to userpage. Now the remaining TheChunky redirect. I support to remove the redirect from it. —  The Chunky urf  Al Kashmiri    (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)  22:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Blue Gold Yellow
<span id="Blue, Gold, Yellow"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 13%23Blue Gold Yellow

Decaenneagon
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Decaenneagon → Enneadecagon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decaenneagon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No hits on Google Scholar, not clear that this is an alternative name for the target. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 18:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – Ancient Greek postpose numerals (*nine-ten means nineteen) rather than prepose (*ten-nine means nineteen). --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 10:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Filbert Street Line
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Filbert Street Line → Center City Commuter Connection (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Filbert_Street_Line&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While there may have been a "Filbert Street line" from the 1920s, the target article doesn't mention it and the redirect is therefore confusing because a reader will learn nothing about it, or know why they're there. I suggest delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The closest to a mention I've found is at Broad Street Station (Philadelphia) which says "Initially, trains arrived via elevated tracks built above Filbert Street." but that's not enough to anchor a redirect, even if it is/was called or known as the "Filbert Street Line". Thryduulf (talk) 16:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete A Google search of these three words, in quotes, yields no results that related to Center City Commuter Tunnel. The term Filbert Street Line was used one time in a diagram that appears page 94 of this document -- but it was not used in the text of the document. A one-time use of a term in a diagram to me does not come close to justifying the use of this term on Wikipedia. FFM784 (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Mark Tuan
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was accept draft  . Though this was the majority position, I do take seriously the concerns that biographies of this person have been repeatedly deleted at AfD. Since the last one was almost five years ago, though, it does not seem premature. --BDD (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Mark Tuan → Got7 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Tuan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The subject of this draft, Mark Tuan, has a long history of having articles moved into mainspace, and then deleted at Articles for Deletion.

See Articles for deletion/Mark Tuan.

See Articles for deletion/Mark Tuan (2nd nomination).

See Articles for deletion/Mark Tuan (3rd nomination).

The redirect has now been protected, and this draft has been submitted with a statement that the subject satisfies musical notability based on having charted in China. I have not read the reference stating that a single by the subject charted in China, and cannot read Chinese. I was prepared to accept the draft based on good faith. I will let the community decide whether to delete the redirect in order to accept the draft.

Notifying closing administrators User:FreeRangeFrog, User:Kraxler, User:Jenks24. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Does QQ Music not qualify as WP:SINGLEVENDOR? I cannot remember the specific article I'm thinking of, but I'm sure I have seen charting cited to QQ Music being removed from articles before for that reason. If that is the case, I don't think WP:NMUSIC is satisfied. Alex (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Since the previous submissions, and rejections, of a Wikipedia page for Mark Tuan, the latest draft Draft:Mark Tuan has shown the developments of notability outside of Got7 and his solo works which have increased since 2018, especially given his status as a solo artist in China from the beginning of 2020 with two singles charting in major Chinese music platforms: QQ Music, KuGou, Kuwo, and NetEase Cloud Music on which he has charted and has received gold certification for his first single. His music has also been available worldwide on iTunes and Spotify to which sources in the draft show a charting position. Aside from official music releases, he has a large fanbase across the world, particularly in China as evidenced within the talks of his solo career. This is why I believe he should be given an independent Wikipedia page much like five of his co-members.Tahmigot (talk) 17:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Mark Twain as it is a plausible misspelling. Once the community has decided about Mark Tuan's notability, the redirect will be deleted as housekeeping. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 17:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment the protection has now been lowered from admin to semiprotection, so I have now substituted the rfd template onto the redirect. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 21:25, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mark Twain per Soumya. Good call. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 21:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - The proposed retargeting is just silly. Mark Tuan is the name of a notable living person, and the misspelling is sufficiently implausible so that it would be a R3 candidate.  The only real question is whether he is notable separate from the band.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Mark Tuan got an average of 21 daily hits in 2019, and an average of 2020 daily hits in 2020. I doubt that one of them daily was meant to be a search for Samuel Clemens.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:51, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Accept draft. RfD doesn't really handle notability concerns that well, but if there are new claims to his notability since the last time the article was deleted, I see no reason not to have an article based on those claims. If someone in good faith disagrees, then it can be settled with another round at AfD. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Personally, I find some sentences not neutral and some contents unnecessary ("His other roles in the group include the visual, lead dancer and sub vocalist", "of which he is a notable alumni", "Since then, Tuan has voiced his passion for the group and wanting to stay together as seven on multiple occasions", "As GOT7 have become well known internationally, they have benefitted from the vast language skills within the group, including Mark’s English since they are able to forego having translators for interviews in the US", "Tuan continues to provide support and donations through his work"). The charts provided are iTunes, QQ or NetEase, which are considered WP:SINGLEVENDOR, if I'm not mistaken. More sources are needed to prove his impact and presence on the Chinese market; his notability is increasing, but to me it's still not enough. --ChoHyeri (talk) 15:34, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Accept draft per Tavix. This is the wrong forum for assessing WP:Notability. Let him take his chances at WP:AFD. Redirecting to Mark Twain would be plain silly when Mark Tuan undoubtedly lives and breathes, it would hamper searches. Whether or not he merits an article is another question for another forum. Narky Blert (talk) 19:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Accept draft per Tavix. The SCMP source in the draft is particularly convincing that the subject is notable and that much has changed since the previous AfDs. Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Accept draft per Tavix, AN would perhaps have been a better forum for raising these concerns. signed,Rosguill talk 19:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Aryan Unity
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Aryan Unity → Eddy Morrison (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Unity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target or discussed in any depth in any other article. The mention previously in the target suggests Aryan Unity is a former name of the White Nationalist Party, but that claim isn't really supported by the current version of that article. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Controlled opposition
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Controlled opposition → Opposition (politics) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Controlled_opposition&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely redirect. Doug Weller talk 11:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My instinct was to !vote delete, but Google shows that it is in use to mean a protest movement which is actually controlled by the government. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Unless it's actually discussed or even mentioned at the target, what's the point? --Calton &#124; Talk 05:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget Dominant-party system where this concept is discussed. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 22:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Where? I don't see any mention of "Controlled opposition" on that page. --Calton &#124; Talk 05:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete unless someone can show somewhere that actually discusses the term. --Calton &#124; Talk 05:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I don't think that Dominant-party system addresses this subject directly enough to justify the redirect. signed,Rosguill talk 18:52, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

England world cup squad
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of England national football team World Cup and European Championship squads. signed,Rosguill talk 18:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * England world cup squad → 2014_FIFA_World_Cup_squads (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=England_world_cup_squad&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should be 'retargetted either to the most recent world cup squad or (my preference) to a list of squads or something similar. List of England national football team World Cup and European Championship squads is the best article I've found but there may be better. Of course it could refer to other world cups, but I think the FIFA world cup is primary, others should be handled by a hatnote but I don't know if there is a good target for that. Thryduulf (talk) 10:44, 28 June 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to List of England national football team World Cup and European Championship squads per nom. Seems like the most sensible target. I agree that the FIFA World Cup is clearly primary, and it seems better than updating to whatever the most recent tournament is. P-K3 (talk) 12:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or disambiguate. There are also at least the England national rugby team squads for World cup of rugby (two DAB pages), and the England squad for the Cricket World Cup. Narky Blert (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Why is deletion helpful? As noted in my nomination, the FIFA World Cup seems primary and disambiguating to disambiguation pages doesn't seem the most user friendly either. Thryduulf (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. If this is kept, it is not specific to the 2014 squad (or that of any other year), so would more appropriately target the list. ComplexRational (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:25, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Rhine league
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 12%23Rhine league