Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 14

June 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 14, 2020.

History of the world
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 21%23History of the world

The Secret Destroyers
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Band is now mentioned at target article. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 00:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The Secret Destroyers → Eyes Set to Kill (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Secret_Destroyers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Secret Destroyers is not mentioned in the target. I am reliably informed it is actually the name of a band. NB This is Avoided Double redirect from Secret Destroyers Richhoncho (talk) 16:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Looking at it, they are part of the same band. Captain Galaxy (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 *  Keep - The Secret Destroyers consists of one current ESTK member and one former ESTK member. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Comment - The Secret Destroyers is now mentioned at Eyes Set to Kill. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Keep Especially since it's now mentioned at the target. --Xannir (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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Secret Destroyers
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Band is now mentioned at target article. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 00:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Secret Destroyers → Eyes Set to Kill (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Secret_Destroyers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Secret Destroyers is not mentioned in the target. I am reliably informed it is actually the name of a band. Richhoncho (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Looking at it, they are part of the same band. Captain Galaxy (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Keep - The Secret Destroyers consists of one current ESTK member and one former ESTK member. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Comment - The Secret Destroyers is now mentioned at Eyes Set to Kill. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Keep Especially since it's now mentioned at the target. --Xannir (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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Bank station (Ottawa)
  <span id="Bank Station (OC Transpo)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 21%23Bank station (Ottawa)

Wirehead (science fiction
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wirehead (science fiction">Wirehead (science fiction → Wirehead (science fiction) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wirehead_(science_fiction&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. Not a very active user (talk) 11:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unambiguousl created in error, unnecessar clutte. Narky Blert (talk) 11:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: unambiguously helpful (has decent pageviews), useless to nominate. (in the same essay that WP:UNNATURAL appears, there is this passage: The mere fact that a redirect is listed and discussed at the Redirects for discussion page creates work for others. Reducing the maintenance burden that is placed on the shoulders of Wikipedians is important. There is a huge backlog of tasks that need attention and Wikipedia is forever growing, then: You can reduce this burden by: ... not sending redirects to RFD, unless there is a serious problem that can't be solved any other way (e.g., WP:BLP violations). This includes not listing redirects for deletion that you think are "unnecessary", or which could be solved through other methods (e.g., adding content to an article that explains why that redirect points to that page, or re-pointing the redirect to a more appropriate page). Worth bearing in mind. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 22:39, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete anyway. Although there seems to have ample user traffic, the daily average is zero. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unambiguously worthless. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 07:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible and unnecessary redirect. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Clearly this type of redirect is not popular. However I do believe a technical solution could bypass the need for such a redirect? Deku-shrub (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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Urud
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Orodes (given name). (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Urud → Orodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urud&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually it is mentioned in the page Orodes (given name). --Z 10:57, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Orodes (given name). Narky Blert (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Orodes (given name) as an R from alternative name. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 22:42, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Orodes (given name) per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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Trump Hotels
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 16:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Trump Hotels → Trump Entertainment Resorts (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_Hotels&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Many of Trumps hotels are not owned by Icahn Enterprises the successor to Trump Entertainment Resorts but owned by The Trump Organization 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:39, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 *  Keep Trump hotels are mentioned at the target, reasonable search term to me. --Xannir (talk) 13:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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Vaibhav Gehlot
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted  by  per G4. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Vaibhav Gehlot → Ashok Gehlot (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaibhav_Gehlot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Needless redirect. Redirecting page regarding one person to another person entirely. If the person is notable, he should have a stand alone article. Since he is non-notable, he should not have any article. —Avenue X at Cicero (t · c) sends his regards @ 10:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned in the target. To encourage article creation if he's notable; to discourage it if he isn't. Narky Blert (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep/Recreate, this page needs ro be there as this guy is a politically active person. His father his the chief minister of largest state of India, which is the largest democracy of the world. Vikram Maingi (talk) 07:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Not mentioned at the target. Also re: above, someone is not notable just by virtue of being related to a notable person. He would then get a sentence or paragraph in his father's page if his father is the notable one. --Xannir (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment – A stub Draft:Vaibhav Gehlot exists. Certes (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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Coby (Disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Coby (Disambiguation)">Coby (Disambiguation) → Coby (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coby_(Disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect with an upper-case D is not required and is not helpful since the correctly-capitalised version exists. Delete (speedy was declined). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep this thing, as someone might hold the key for too long, like with the consensus over at the discussion for "Soulstice (Band)" about 5½ weeks ago. Regards,  SONIC  678  15:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. If linked, User:DPL bot will report a WP:INTDAB error. Speaking as a DABfixer, (Disambiguation) redirects are a real pain. Narky Blert (talk) 15:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep.  I get the INTDAB error issue, and would !vote to delete if this were newly created.  However, given that it's about 13 years old, K4 applies, as it could be linked externally.  This shouldn't be linked anywhere by any means, but keeping this around and not linking it doesn't hurt anything, and might occasionally be helpful. Hog Farm (talk) 15:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Hog Farm. If this was going to actually cause significant problems in practice it would have caused them long before now. Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity. How many errors involving (Disambiguation) qualifiers have the Keep editors found and fixed? I haven't an exact count, but for me it's in the low- to mid-teens. Every single one necessary under WP:INTDAB. Narky Blert (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The other option of course is to fix the bot so that it recognises "(Disambiguation)" as an intentional disambiguation link (as is obviously intended by anyone using). This seems generally preferable to requiring users to either fix something that isn't broken or delete something so that it becomes broken and thus requires fixing. Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Narky, this is one of those cases where a R from miscapitalization is more harmful than helpful. The miscapitalization is an error after all, so if there are cases where this is linked it should be fixed. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:13, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is easily solved on the DABfixer side. Either filter out "(Disambiguation)" redirects from whatever report you are working through, or make a bot to automatically bypass them in mainspace (after WP:BAG gives you the go-ahead, natch). There's no need to go around deleting perfectly good redirects just to make the automation slightly less complicated. -- N Y  Kevin   03:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've notified the WP:DPL project of this discussion at WT:DPL. Narky Blert (talk) 12:12, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Miscapitalisation redirects are for words used in real-world references to articles, not for arbitrary qualifiers made up by Wikipedia for technical reasons.  This is so clear that it failed to become a CSD only because such arguments were either uncontested or met with weak opposition. Certes (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That is a misrepresentation of that RfC closure. The arguments that were "uncontested or met with weak opposition" were those that argued "a need for [the proposed criterion] had no been established." - in other words those who argued that misspelled disambiguation should be speedily deleted failed to make the case that such a criterion was needed. And this also ignores the other part of the close which noted that arguments against speedy deletion (on grounds other than frequency) were stronger and slightly better supported than those against. There is no community consensus that these redirects should always be deleted, let alone speedily. NYKevin expresses well one reason for that. Thryduulf (talk) 15:56, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. If deleted, people who hold the shift key too long will still get to the disambiguation page, since it'll fold to that capitalization in the absence of a perfect match, just like typing "Apple (Disambiguation)" does now. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pandakekok9 (talk) 02:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, both because it's old and useful (and maybe the disambiguation bot could be instructed automatically to fix Disambiguation links?), and because some of the delete votes are wrong. Note that if you type Apple (Disambiguation) between pairs of brackets, you get a redlink, and if you put type it after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ you end up at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_(Disambiguation) which doesn't work.  Nyttend (talk) 12:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above; the dab bot should be fixed forv these scenarios as I've advocated before. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 22:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – Capitalization of the disambiguator is something that I am okay with. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment – Although it is an essay, there is relevant and useful advice in WP:UNNATURAL. Certes (talk) 22:42, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's an expression of opinion. When it comes to things like missing parentheses, it's an opinion I usually concur with (but as always exceptions are possible), but for an initial letter capitalisation difference then I disagree for the reasons explained by myself and others in this discussion. Overall that essay is one of the lower value ones on Wikipedia as it gets as much wrong as it gets right and at least one section (PANDORA) is actively harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 23:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Since this redirect is quite old, and a capitalized qualifier is not that implausible. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Several editors have suggested that User:DPL bot should be adjusted to ignore (Disambiguation) qualifiers. Consensus to change guidelines WP:INTDAB and WP:RDAB would be needed first, and then someone (else?) would have to do it.
 * It may be noted that all those editors in this discussion who have experience in fixing links to DAB pages have !voted delete; and all those who have little to none, keep. Narky Blert (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Why do you think an ad hominem argument is relevant to this discussion? Why would the guidelines need changing? As far as I can see there is nothing at all relevant in WP:INTDAB and WP:RDAB is a section of a low-quality essay that does not enjoy widespread consensus (despite how often it gets cited, the outcome of discussions in which it is cited often do not match the arguments the essay is cited to support). Thryduulf (talk) 22:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment – Links to this year's RfDs on similar cases: 2 Jan, 4 Mar, 5 Apr. All deleted except for the unique case of O disambiguation which correctly targets an article rather than a dab. Certes (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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