Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 24

June 24
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 24, 2020.

Imperial spy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 23:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Imperial spy → Galactic empire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imperial_spy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target article, and is more related to Star Wars or Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga. Delete unless a justification can be proven. Ocelot Creeper ( ta lk ) 22:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * delete as vague. I get some hits about a similarly titled book and enemies from various video games. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Lenticel. It could mean every spy from every empire that existed in history. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 05:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. In Rudyard Kipling's 1901 novel Kim, the protagonist was a spy for the British Empire and his opponents were spies for the Russian Empire. Narky Blert (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this one and quite possibly the one below it, it's really ambiguous as to what it refers to-the Mark Robson novel isn't mentioned anywhere on his article, and it can mean imperial spies anywhere, real or fictional (or perhaps even on Wikipedia), so it's best as a redlink or with a disambiguator in this case. Regards, SONIC  678  18:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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Imperial Spy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 23:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Imperial Spy → Lego Star Wars (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imperial_Spy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Section is gone, not mentioned at target article, and is referring to a character in Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga. Also, Imperial spy redirects to Galactic empire (which does not mention the redirect either and is also referring to the same character), so I'm nominating that one separately. Ocelot Creeper ( ta lk ) 22:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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위키백과:대문
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . — Wug·a·po·des​ 05:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * 위키백과:대문 → Main Page (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EB%8C%80%EB%AC%B8&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RLOTE signed,Rosguill talk 19:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, WP:RFOREIGN, and the consensus of this mass nomination back in early August 2015. While I can see this being appropriate for the Korean Wikipedia or a Korean website (North or South or otherwise), this I'm not sure, because this is the English Wikipedia, which doesn't have a connection with Korean. Regards, SONIC  678  20:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FOREIGN. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 22:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:FOREIGN. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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2015 LG ICC Awards
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  per recent RfD. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * 2015 LG ICC Awards → 2015 ICC Awards (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2015_LG_ICC_Awards&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect left over from move, as stated in that rationale, LG didn't sponsor the awards this year and so this redirect is wrong and misleading <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 16:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per and it's a very plausible search term given that LG did sponsor the previous several awards. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf, and as stated in the previous RfD (which was closed just yesterday) deletion should be avoided since the article was at this title for 3 years. Absolutely no need for deletion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 04:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I hadn't spotted that the previous RfD was so recent (closed less than 24 hours before this one was opened) - I think we're into speedy keep territory here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked to see if this had been RfDed before, and didn't see that nom. Consider this post my withdrawal of this nomination- can someone put the proper withdrawn tags on it? <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 15:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't mind if I do. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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What is thy bidding my master
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 23:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * What is thy bidding my master → Darth Vader (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=What_is_thy_bidding_my_master&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target article. Delete unless the article both mentions and explains the importance of the quote. Ocelot Creeper ( ta lk ) 16:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete while it’s true Vader said that I don’t see why we need to have this as a redirect if it’s not mentioned. I also noticed that this originally was a redirect to Palpatine and have verified that the quote isn’t mentioned there either.--69.157.254.64 (talk) 20:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah I checked Palpatine too when I noticed that was the original target. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 22:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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Detroit-Hillsdale-&-Indiana Railroad
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 23:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Detroit-Hillsdale-&-Indiana Railroad">Detroit-Hillsdale-&-Indiana Railroad → Indiana Northeastern Railroad (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit-Hillsdale-%26-Indiana_Railroad&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Totally implausible misspelling. John from Idegon (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is not useful. TheImaCow (talk) 20:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Detroit, Hillsdale and Indiana Railroad and Detroit, Hillsdale & Indiana Railroad would both be good redirects as that was a component of the Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway, in turn a component of the Indiana Northeastern Railroad (I'm just not sure which of the two would be better), and some forms with all hyphens instead of spaces would make sense as plausible to find in URLs and similar, however the mix of hyphens and spaces is not plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Thryduulf. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete-per above. I-can-see the versions that Thryduulf-provides here-as-plausible, as-well-as them-without commas, but I-don't-think-people would search-with-hyphens-&-commas in the same-title here. Regards, SONIC  678  18:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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The talk (parenting)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to The Talk. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="The talk (parenting)">The talk (parenting) → The talk (racism in the US) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_talk_(parenting)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As pointed out at Talk:The talk (racism in the US), this could either refer to the current target or The birds and the bees talk. © Tb hotch <big style="color: #555555;">™ (en-3). 15:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The birds and the bees which is the clear primary topic for <tt>"the talk" (parenting)</tt> on google and based on comments on the discussion linked in the nomination. A hatnote to The Talk (disambiguation) can be added if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 16:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Dab Retarget to DAB page The Talk. There are two major talks in the US. One is the sex talk most white parents have. The other is the racism talk that black parents have. I kind of don't like assuming that because one has more potential families that makes it primary. We don't actually know how many talks of either kind happen. —valereee (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB page The Talk, where both topics are listed, as R from incomplete disambiguation. A separate DAB page is not necessary because (1) The Talk only has 4 entries, and (2) DAB pages with qualified titles get categorised into Category:Disambiguation pages with (qualified) titles as errors per WP:INCDAB. Narky Blert (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB. The birds and the bees might be a slight primary topic, but per WP:INCDAB we require a higher standard for already parenthetical titles like Thriller (album) or Nirvana (band). -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 20:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB. Could refer to "the talk" on racism or the "birds and the bees" talk. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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L2 norm
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Sihi( सीहि)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Sihi( सीहि)">Sihi( सीहि) → Sihi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sihi(_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BF)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible combination of different writing systems and incorrect formatting of brackets. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as cat-like typing. No space between main part and opening parenthesis, space after opening parenthesis, Roman alphabet main part and Nepali qualifier which mean the same thing - what's not to dislike? Narky Blert (talk) 18:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It could be worse - the target is relevant to both parts. Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, while I can see the correctly formatted yet nonexistent Sihi (सीहि) redirecting here as an R from related topic, सीहि doesn't exist, either on here or the Hindi Wikipedia, so I'm not sure if this is really worth keeping. Regards, SONIC  678  20:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Sonic. The correctly formatted version does not exist, so unless that is created, this definitely should not either. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 22:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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Oberhauptling
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Oberhauptling → Paramount chief (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oberhauptling&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Oberhäuptling">Oberhäuptling → Paramount chief (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oberh%C3%A4uptling&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-English as well as misspelt (Oberhäuptling would be correct); old but very few views; not referenced at all in the target article and no links. -- Der Trutinator (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFFL (and the misspelling). Narky Blert (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and include Oberhäuptling into the nomination. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Added. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete both that and Oberhäuptling per WP:RFOREIGN, as this concept has no special connection to German. Regards, SONIC  678  14:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete1. Misspelling, 2. What does "paramount chief" have to do with "oberhaupting'? {&#123;3125A &#124; talk &#125;} 15:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FOREIGN. If the foreign word was mentioned, I would've said keep as a redirect without diacritics. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as not mentioned and with no particular affinity to the target. The lack of diacritics is not relevant at all, and indeed if this were mentioned at the target it would be a good redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Current target is correct since they're basically all Z notation symbols. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="⦉">⦉ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A6%89&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="⦊">⦊ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A6%8A&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="⨟">⨟ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A8%9F&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="⨠">⨠ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A8%A0&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="⨡">⨡ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A8%A1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; seems to be related to schemas (see ). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. What is difference between these redirects? Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean exactly? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh I mean the redirects appear to be the same symbol. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you look closely are the numbers in the boxes, they are different. {&#123;3125A &#124; talk &#125;} 15:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Assuming what sees is boxes. I see perfectly normal characters; some devices might display empty boxes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:10, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah my computer displays empty boxes. I'll check if clicking the links shows the numbers. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 17:10, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You are seeing boxes with numbers in because you don't have a font with these characters in it - see Help:Special characters. Thryduulf (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all. These characters are respectively U+2989 Z NOTATION LEFT BINDING BRACKET, U+298A Z NOTATION RIGHT BINDING BRACKET, U+2A1F Z NOTATION SCHEMA COMPOSITION, U+2A20 Z NOTATION SCHEMA PIPING and U+2A21 Z NOTATION SCHEMA PROJECTION which indicates that the target is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 16:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't help the reader if he understands "okay, that's a Z notation symbol, but I still have absolutely no idea what it means". 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It helps those who don't know it's a Z notation symbol and it's better than any other target we have. Helping some people is very singificantly better than helping nobody which is what deletion would result in. Thryduulf (talk) 17:10, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the first two could be retargeted to Bracket, where, , , and point already. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep these symbols are more closely connected with Z notation than anything else. Bracket basically just redirects the reader to Z notation, these are not general purpose brackets with use outside of Z. Ideally the Z notation article should be expanded to explain the syntax and symbols used. But this is likely to a complex job as syntax summary for Z runs to four pages and a complete description of the syntax runs to many pages. What might be an idea is to expand Miscellaneous Mathematical Symbols-B explaining that these symbols are special to Z-notation. One possible redirect target might actually be to Miscellaneous Mathematical Symbols-B.--Salix alba (talk): 16:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The article does link the reader to Z notation, but it also mentions their name and an example of their use. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="⦈">⦈ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A6%88&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="⦇">⦇ → Z notation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%A6%87&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target, but could, if information is added to the article, be retargeted to Image (mathematics) (see ). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep these are U+2988 Z NOTATION RIGHT IMAGE BRACKET and U+2987 Z NOTATION LEFT IMAGE BRACKET so the target seems correct. Thryduulf (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternative target would be Bracket, where, , , and point already. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Z notation character. {&#123;3125A &#124; talk &#125;} 13:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Bracket and Miscellaneous Mathematical Symbols-B at least have the Unicode names of the characters, which also mention their use (see Thryduulf's comment). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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Horizontal line with a dot above and a dot below
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Obelus. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Horizontal line with a dot above and a dot below → Division sign (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horizontal_line_with_a_dot_above_and_a_dot_below&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Quite a strange description, and could also refer to obelism. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * From 5th grade, everyone knows the division sign looks like that. {&#123;3125A | talk &#125;} 12:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So what is your vote? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * delete. {&#123;3125A | talk &#125;} 12:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Be careful of your sweeping usage of "everyone" because not everyone enjoys the same life experiences as you did. From the article on the division sign: This usage, though widespread in Anglophone countries, is neither universal nor recommended. In my experience, division is symbolized with a slash in the real world so I never see the sign outside of an education setting. Unless taught this sign in an Anglophone primary school, one may almost never come across it and may look very strange when it is encountered—and I'm not sure how else one would look for it if they don't know the name of it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 12:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


 * IMO, the redirect target should be Obelus because (a) it is one of the descendants of the Obelus (b) in Norway, it means subtraction (c) there is another glyph, horizon line with dot above (only). Read all about it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there actually seems to be some relevant recent page history. Any comments? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In March 2020, moved the original Obelus article to Division sign, even though that is just one of its descendants. They weren't being entirely unreasonable because at that stage, most of the content was about the division sign. So I let that stand but recreated Obelus as a historical article, giving its original purpose as a manuscript annotation and outlined of its descendants (division, dagger, Commercial minus). This redirect looks like collateral damage from those moves and changes. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as this is the most common usage of a symbol like this in anglophone settings, but hatnotes should be added to similar signs. Thryduulf (talk) 16:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Of a symbol, not necessarily the description. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Obelus as the broadeset applicable article: it covers both the historical usage and the current Anglophone practice. It's not an ideal target as it also covers other variants, but it's better to redirect to an article that's a little too broad, than to one that's a little too narrow. Hatnoting for such a long descriptive phrase, and one that's barely attested (only 9 hits on google), is out of the question. – Uanfala (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW, the Obelus article also says In Italy, Poland and Russia this form of the obelus is sometimes used to denote a range of values, in engineering context. Retarget to Obelus. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Obelus per John and Uanfala. The new target also already has a link to division sign for those who are looking for the latter. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Obelus. And thanks for teaching me what an obelus is! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Obelus per Uanfala. Narky Blert (talk) 12:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Obelus per Uanfala and others above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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Yukariko
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Yukariko → List of My-HiME characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yukariko&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are multiple fictional characters with this name, none of whom are particularly notable or ubiquitously known only by their given name. A name list article comprised only of fictional characters is not helpful, so a reader would be better served by a redlink. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as having no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, we don't need this when we have Yukariko Sanada, the character who's probably meant by this redirect judging by where it leads. Regards, SONIC  678  14:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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Kanchanaganga
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Kanchanaganga → Kanchana Ganga (2004 film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kanchanaganga&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete since WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC; could also refer to Kanchana Ganga UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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UFN 176
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * UFN 176 → UFC Fight Night 176 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UFN_176&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I would also like this redirect deleted because UFN 176 was caused by sock puppetry. — 29cwcst (talk) 01:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, as it appears to have been very recently created and it's redirecting to a redirect that doesn't target a section. Looking at the history it appears the nominator created the redirect? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  05:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is qualified for G7. Pandakekok9 (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Plenty of old links, thus keep per . As an aside, I wish this was solved without renaming redirects as it has been digged into a deep mess judging by the immense amount of weird pageviews and what seems to be loss of history . It doesn't qualify for G7 because of this passage: For redirects created as a result of a page move, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages before the move (given this was caused by apparently a substantive instance of sockpuppetery). Please don't rename redirects. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 19:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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Welsh mountains
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 * The result of the discussion was keep without retargeting  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Welsh mountains → Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Welsh_mountains&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales is probably the best option here in absence of a non-list covering this topic. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to List of Nuttall mountains in Wales and split the above named list into two articles would make more sense. It doesn't include Scotland or Northern Ireland and either its the whole of the UK, or split by country -<b style="color: #801818; font-family: Papyrus;">Snowded</b> <small style="color: #708090; font-family: Baskerville;">TALK 04:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retain as Wales is a generally mountainous country and the target section is adequate and relevant. A separate article for consistency with Scottish mountains (a non-list article) or Irish mountains (a list article) would have merit and could be usefully included in the current target. KenBailey (talk) 07:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as is for now, as the current target appears to be the best general article we have (although per KenBailey) a separate article would be better. I explcitly oppose retargetting to the list of Nuttalls as that is just one of several classification schemes which seems no more or less arbitrary and no more or less prominent than any of the others. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf. What a can of worms, including an article titled Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles which isn't a list of lists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep this thing as is right now, the Nuttall mountains aren't the only mountains in Wales, and this action would be more helpful to readers rather than directing them to a specific range. Regards, SONIC  678  18:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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West of the Rhymney
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * West of the Rhymney → Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_of_the_Rhymney&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete; this does not seem to be an alternative name for the target. This was created by, who has two surviving edits: one to create their userpage, and one to create this redirect. The redirect seems to refer to Rhymney. Search results:. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The redirect has slightly more views than normal for a highly implausible redirect, maybe this signals usage? It may just be web crawlers targeting highly important articles' redirects more, however. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It almost certainly actually refers to the Rhymney River, but this is not a logical or traditional boundary river (e.g. the River Loughor forms the West Wales-South Wales border). The target is especially bad because most of Wales is north of this river and a substantial part is east, including part of the capital Cardiff. Search results only find things that happen to be immediately west of the river (or its valley, or the railway line that runs in the valley) in the same way as e.g. "west of the Tawe" or "west of the Exe". Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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Globomedia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Globomedia → Grupo Globo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Globomedia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is an unrelated Spanish company known as Globomedia with articles on eswiki (es:Globomedia) and others. There's no connection with Grupo Globo in Brazil. Search results exclusively turn up material related to the Spanish media company. Raymie (t • c) 00:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Article-ify - I don't speak Spanish, but given the extensive coverage on the Spanish wiki the Globomedia company seems notable in its own right and should probably have an EN article. Could potentially request a translation of the Spanish article, if anyone is familiar with that process. BlackholeWA (talk) 10:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage article creation, or stubify with a couple of solid citations to hold it in place. It cannot stay as it is, it's badly misleading as to continent, language and ownership. Narky Blert (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I created the redirect as I worked for media company and so was aware of their name change. I have been redundant from that job due to the impact of covid so if you want to delete it, do so, I was just trying to increase wikipedias coverage of media company's in general. I ask only that you get someone actively working in media in the discussion and who speaks Spanish before a decision is made. Back ache (talk) 20:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. With due respect to (and sympathy with) user:Back ache, without explanation the current situation is just confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage article creation per Narky Blert. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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DOAW
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * DOAW → Diary of a Wimpy Kid (book series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DOAW&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not even a complete acronym for the series: it's DOAWK or DoaWK, not DOAW. Delete, it's highly unlikely that people would search for this unfinished redirect. Scrooge200 (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete the uses I've found of this acronym all relate to the Democratic Organization of Afghan Women, an organisation that seems notable at first glance but which doesn't have an article. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage creation of one or more articles. DOAW is (1) Democratic Organisation of Afghan Women, mentioned in Anahita Ratebzad, and (2) Deutsch-Ostasiatisches Wissenschaftsforum e.V., mentioned in de:Karl-Josef Kuschel. Narky Blert (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has nothing about DOAW. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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