Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 27

June 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 27, 2020.

Internet Security Barrier X6
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Internet Security Barrier X6 → Intego (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet_Security_Barrier_X6&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target 2pou (talk) 14:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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Tiny car
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Large city
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Large city → Megacity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Large_city&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:OR. Settlement hierarchy, for example, says otherwise (but doesn't provide an alternate target). Clarityfiend (talk) 21:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Megacities are large cities. Not seeing the problem. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Reply. Tom Cruise is a superstar. Should superstar redirect to him? (Denzel Washington and some others would be annoyed.) Clarityfiend (talk) 05:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not a good analogy. Superstar is a general noun, while Tom Cruise is specific. Large city and Megacity are both general. Pandakekok9 (talk) 05:46, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's good enough. A is B does not imply B is A. Or a megacity is only an example of a large city. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Megacity has an objective definition; "large city" does not. I'm sure people are going to apply this label to any sufficiently large city (e.g. Toronto, pop. 2.7M) that is not necessarily a megacity (metro area pop ≥ 10M). –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, too vague. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 06:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. No clear definition or quantity that defines "large". ComplexRational (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, too colloquial --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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Ecological burial/funeral
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Natural burial. signed,Rosguill talk 19:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Ecological burial → Promession (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ecological_burial&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ecological funeral → Promession (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ecological_funeral&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ecological Funeral → Promession (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ecological_Funeral&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Promession is only one of the many body disposition ways that are called "ecological burial/funeral" (like Alkaline hydrolysis (body disposal)), thus these redirects are incorrect. Wikisaurus (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Natural burial, the closest in meaning. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 05:42, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Draft:Wuhan Coronavirus 2019
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:Wuhan Coronavirus 2019 → COVID-19 pandemic (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Wuhan_Coronavirus_2019&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another cross-namespace redirect that likely should not exist. Zoozaz1 20:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is an abandoned draft. Not sure why chose to redirect instead of letting it WP:G13 delete as it expired. Technicaly it has history, but since it's in the draft space and would qualify for G13 if it were restored, I think just deleing it now is fine. −2pou (talk) 03:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Draft:Corona Chasers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:Corona Chasers → COVID-19 pandemic (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Corona_Chasers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I really don't know why this cross-namespace redirect exists, and I don't think this is an appropriate or common redirect. Zoozaz1 20:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I guess. They are WP:CHEAP, and this WP:NEOLOGISM is in the draft space, so it's not going to pop up in any standard searches to mislead anyone, but we're already here now, so might as well finish it. As to why, the history shows that it was a single edit account trying to create a brand new term, and it eventually was redirected, presumably as a valid WP:ATD. —2pou (talk) 02:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. After being exposed to the term "bugchaser", I am guessing that this refers to people who either want to get infected by COVID-19 or just really, really want to crack open a cool refreshing can of Corona beer. The current target (not a section redirect either) doesn't have the word "chaser" or mention a group of people who want to be infected. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  05:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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Korona pandemic
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Korona pandemic → COVID-19 pandemic (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korona_pandemic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is an uncommon misspelling of Corona pandemic, which itself is an uncommon phrasing. Over the past 30 days, there have been 7 pageviews. Zoozaz1 20:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep It does get some uses, but for news sources I only got three. I'm not sure whether it's enough for it to be kept. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 05:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, rare misspelling. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Clearly an uncommon misspelling. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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List of Famous Lies
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * List of Famous Lies → List of common misconceptions (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Famous_Lies&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure if "lies" should redirect to "misconceptions". 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Famous doesn't mean common either. The average reader would probably expect something like this, except without the top 10 part. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Gun Girl
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Gun Girl → Kaitlin Bennett (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_Girl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Could also be used for the many other female shooters or gun owners with articles 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 19:00, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, it looks to be the primary topic from a cursory search. There are a few other close but not quite matches: Gun Girls (1957 film), Ronnie the Bren Gun Girl, Sasha Gradiva, and perhaps the most famous girl with a gun, Annie Oakley. For the general topic, I can't find anything closer than Women in the military / Women in war / Women in combat. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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Liberty Hangout
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Liberty Hangout → Kaitlin Bennett (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liberty_Hangout&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects to a reporter for the website not sure why 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm going in depth because asked not sure why. Ms. Bennett is the only notable person associated with this website. One can learn a lot about Liberty Hangout from her article, including: 1) it is a far-right organization that she reports for, 2) that it was founded by her husband, 3) the website published interviews that Bennett conducted called "College Students Have No Morals" that received some attention, 4) the website "received criticism for statements on Twitter supporting Holocaust denial, monarchy, and disfranchisement". No other article has this kind of content, all other mentions are in references for articles associated with Darrell Castle and the Libertarian Party (US). -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:39, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the research done by . —2pou (talk) 01:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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William Gliesa
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * William Gliesa → Wilhelm Gliese (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Gliesa&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems unlikely. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete this redirect. While the and  keys are really close to each other on a QWERTY keyboard (and adjacent to the  key), thus creating potential plausibility, it doesn't seem to be used that much, having attained 35 pageviews since July 2015. Regards,  SONIC  678  20:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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Los diez fugitivos más buscados por el FBI
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . — Wug·a·po·des​ 02:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Los diez fugitivos más buscados por el FBI">Los diez fugitivos más buscados por el FBI → FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Los_diez_fugitivos_m%C3%A1s_buscados_por_el_FBI&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No specific association with Spanish, delete per WP:RLOTE signed,Rosguill talk 18:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:RFOREIGN, these fugitives (past, present, and future) originate from a variety of countries, not all of which have Spanish as an official or widely spoken language. Regards, SONIC  678  20:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFFL. Narky Blert (talk) 02:02, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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List of famous engineers
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Lists of engineers. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 01:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * List of famous engineer → Engineer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_famous_engineer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of famous engineers → Engineer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_famous_engineers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Lists of engineers or delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Adding the plural form List of famous engineers to the discussion, for which I'm thinking similar action might need to be taken. Working on it...done. Regards, SONIC  678  16:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete List of famous engineer, there are more than one famous engineers. Neutral regarding List of famous engineers per my response on another "famous" redirect below. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. They have to be famous/notable enough to be noted on the list anyway. <span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;color:red;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;">Ed6767  talk!  17:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nomination, the poor grammar in the first is not a big enough issue to make it worth deleting. Thryduulf (talk) 19:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Both of these redirects are very old, so don't delete. Both of them were redirects to List of engineers, though they were retargeted to Engineer by DanMS and Timwi respectively, because at that time underscores weren't supported in redirect targets. At least, that's what I thought. Retargeting them back to List of engineers is the best option per above. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 06:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget both per nom and I agree with Pandakekok9's comment above in that they're both quite old. No need for deletion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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Silas (football manager)
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Technical Black Films
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Technical Black Films → Jerry Bruckheimer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Technical_Black_Films&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of the company at target. Delete to encourage article creation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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101st Street Entertainment
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * 101st Street Entertainment → Peter M. Lenkov (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=101st_Street_Entertainment&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of the company at target. Delete to encourage article creation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:REDLINK policies. Captain Galaxy (talk) 12:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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IOS 3.0
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . — Wug·a·po·des​ 02:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * IOS 3.0 → IPhone OS 3 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IOS_3.0&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * IPhone OS 3.0 → IPhone OS 3 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPhone_OS_3.0&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not really described at target; retarget to IOS version history. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as it is because readers looking for those early versions of iOS will not necessarily know that it was called “iPhone OS” back in those days. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 15:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I did never suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Nono, I said let’s just keep it the way it is. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 15:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Then I don't understand your argument. The suggested new target describes this exact version of iPhone OS 3, while the current article hardly mentions it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I see your argument, now I have changed mine to retarget. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks; could you do it in the discussion below as well for consistency, please? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

✅ ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I suppose that I'm somewhat neutral overall, though. Like i said, both are valid targets. I just feel like the current target gets you to the same info via the main link in what used to be a version history. If I were a page watcher, and this were boldly retargeted, I would not revert it. However, we should be consistent. Why is 3.0 being singled out? The same arguement can be made for all versions except the latest, 3.2.2 (and even that is only in the infobox). Every redirect to this page outside IOS 3 calls out a version number. —2pou (talk) 13:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - the first sentence of the first paragraph starts with "iPhone OS 3 is the third major release of the iOS mobile operating system developed by Apple Inc.", and then mentions the "iPhone OS" -> "iOS" rename. If that's not sufficient to explain why "iOS 3.0" goes there, explain further, as per my suggestion in the discussion of the iOS 1.0 redirect.  As for "iPhone OS 3.0", yes, there's currently no short release history in iPhone OS 3, although iOS 4 has one, but only has release-numbered subsections for update releases, so iOS 4.0 redirects to iOS 4, so I don't see the issue. Guy Harris (talk) 19:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you understand my argument? It's not about the incorrect name, it's about the specific version 3.0, which is not described at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand it, I just don't agree with it. And iPhone OS 3 now does mention iOS 3.0, just as iPhone OS 1 mentions iOS 1.0. Guy Harris (talk) 01:44, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Like and the IOS1 nom below, I'm not really seeing the problem here. The content at the current target is fine. I guess the proposed retarget is as well, but why go to a subsection vice an article? Unless there is a desire to merge into the IOS version history (and i could potentially see that as a possibility) since it falls WP:WITHIN the scope, and there isnt a whole lot more at the target, but that's not for RfD. —2pou (talk) 02:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There is almost no information specific to version 3.0 at the current target, while there is in the list. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, I am seeing a big 3.0 in the image, and the archived website specifies 3.0. Then in the two sources for the initial release, 3.0 is in the title. I guess thats not necessarily in the base text... I imagine because the version info once lived here before being merged to the version history.
 * Oh wow, I didn't notice them; thank you. Apparently I only used the search suggestions. Yeah, I suggest they also be retargeted (as long as the version history exists separately from the major version articles). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Guy Harris and 2pou. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 06:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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IOS 1.0
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * IOS 1.0 → IPhone OS 1 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IOS_1.0&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; retarget to IOS version history. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as it is because people looking for those early versions of iOS will not necessarily know that it was called “iPhone OS” back in those days. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 15:13, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I did never suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Nono, I said let’s not change it and let it be the way it is. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 15:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget per 1234qwer1234qwer4. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - the target says "iPhone OS 1 is the first major release of iOS"; if that's not sufficient, perhaps it should explain that "first major release of iOS" means "it'd have been iOS 1, but they didn't call it iOS yet". Guy Harris (talk) 18:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you understand my argument? It's not about the incorrect name, it's about the specific version 1.0, which is not described at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand it, I just think it's not a good argument; I don't see any problem with "iOS 1.0" going to an article about it-would-be-iOS-but-they-hadn't-renamed-it-yet 1. If somebody's ambitious, they could put a version history into the article and make it link there. Guy Harris (talk) 10:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you are referring to the fact the redirect says "iOS" instead of "iPhone OS" then. This is absolutely not the point. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:42, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to ward off arguments that "I typed "iOS 1.0" but this page says "iPhoneOS 1", not "iOS 1"." would matter. Guy Harris (talk) 10:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What is your argument for not retargeting to a list where, as opposed to the article, the exact topic is mentioned? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm not convinced that people looking for "iOS 1.0" are necessarily curious about that particular minor version - they may well just want information about the major release - so I'm not convinced the change adds much, and 2) for those who do want information about the minor release, that information should be put into the "{iPhoneOS,iOS} N" articles (and maybe iOS version history should be carved up and the pieces dropped into the "{iPhoneOS,iOS} N" articles) - that'd solve the "this article is too big" problem). Guy Harris (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * iPhone OS 1 now has an "Introduction and initial release" subsection for iPhone OS 1.0, as well as an "Updates" subsection for subsequent releases. Guy Harris (talk) 22:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Like, I'm not really seeing the problem here. The content at the current target is fine. I guess the proposed retarget is as well, but why go to a subsection vice an article? Unless there is a desire to merge into the IOS version history (and i could potentially see that as a possibility) since it falls WP:WITHIN the scope, and there isnt a whole lot more at the target, but that's not for RfD. —2pou (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per my !vote at the 3.0 RfD. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 06:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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South Mexico
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 6%23South Mexico

List of famous Ahmadis of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * List of famous Ahmadis of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community → Ahmadiyya (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_famous_Ahmadis_of_Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Section removed from target. Retarget to List of Ahmadis? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. No, this is a junk redirect for several reasons, the most egregious being the undefined and subjective "famous". -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There actually is quite a few of them; I had started tagging them as R from more specific name when I found this. Do you think they be deleted altogether? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Meh, if "famous" is the only issue, I think it's fine to let sleeping redirects lie. "List of famous x" to "List of x" would naturally include all "famous" x anyway. Some might actually have a "famous" criterion in the list, but I'm not going to go through them to say one way or the other. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. A list of Fooian people certainly does not include every one of them (although it's rather "well-known"). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't have List of infamous Ahmadis of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community or List of notable Ahmadis of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. The adjective "famous" is WP:PUFFERY and WP:WEASEL, and should almost always be deleted from articles. Narky Blert (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Robert Southey savaged the misuse of the adjective "famous" in "After Blenheim" (1796). Narky Blert (talk) 03:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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IOS 15
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * IOS 15 → IOS (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IOS_15&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a misleading redirect in that the target article provides no information about this topic. If I wanted to find specific information on iOS 15, I would be disappointed to end up at an article that doesn't have what I'm looking for. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to iOS version history where users will currently find there is no such version presently and will find the content we do have when it is written. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You're putting the cart before the horse. When we have content for iOS 15, then there can be a redirect saying so. Write the content first. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See also wp:redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 26. ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 15:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, iOS 14 was created well before there was any content. Thanks, Thanoscar21talk, contribs 17:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If iOS 14 was created before there was any content, it should have been deleted at that time. If it wasn't, then that's an oversight, not an excuse to create another misleading redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, WP:ASTONISH, and WP:CRYSTAL. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 06:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per others. I know WP:TOOSOON is not about redirects, but major iOS versions currently all have separate articles, and an article for this would fall under the essay. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete —Locke Cole • t • c 16:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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