Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 28

June 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 28, 2020.

Parents of Russia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Parents of Russia → Violence against LGBT people (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parents_of_Russia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. buidhe 20:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a group that gets passing mentions at Russian gay propaganda law and Occupy Pedophilia but nothing in depth. Its a difficult term to google for but I get the impression it might be notable, so that combined with the lack of good targets means deletion is probably best. Thryduulf (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, I went through the same thing as Thryduulf above and couldn't find the group in Google search results. Plus, it's also ambiguous, it can also mean parents of Russian origin or quite possibly Russian parenting styles, like some of these irrelevant search results when entering "parents of russia" into Google, among other topics. Regards, SONIC  678  01:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. A search for родители россии in both Russian WP and Google turned up nothing relevant. Narky Blert (talk) 13:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not sure Russian parents are notable for being notoriously anti-LGBT. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  00:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * They aren't (afaik), but this is not Russian parents in general it is the name of a specific anti-LGBT group trying to associate themselves with "family values" and portray themselves as representative of all parents. Thryduulf (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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Göth
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Goethe (surname). signed,Rosguill talk 21:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Göth → Amon Göth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G%C3%B6th&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Goeth → Amon Göth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goeth&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Göth" and "Goeth" are variants of the surname "Goethe" and should redirect to Goethe (surname) rather than to the current target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Since Goethe (surname) mentions that these two are variants of the surname, retarget. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Controlled opposition
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Wa$hington
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Wa$hington → Satiric misspelling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wa$hington&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * I$rael → Satiric misspelling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I$rael&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="U$$R">U$R → Satiric misspelling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=U$$R&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Orac£e">Orac£e → Satiric misspelling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orac%C2%A3e&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-neutral names not mentioned at target. See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 21 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The third one was never created or deleted. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that seems to be a Twinkle error. It should have been U$R. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed the links from U$R to U$R. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyway, now that that's fixed delete all. I expected all of these to be Kenny Strawn redirects, but only 2 were. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * De£ete a££ a$ not mentioned, whi£e I$rael and Wa$hington date back to 2004 and were nominated with a £ot of other$ in a di$cu$ion taking p£ace waaaay back in November 2010, I don't $eem to find any page hi$tory worth keeping. A$ for the other two, they were created by an indeffed u$er. Regard$, $ONIC  678  15:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-neutral and unlikely. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all - They are not-neutral, but they don't redirect to the subjects they represent, so it doesn't really create a problem. I think these are very helpful for someone who may see these and not understand the meaning. They tend to have a lot of search results.— Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 16:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete pejorative and not mentioned on the page. We aren't doing readers a service by decieving them into thinking that they are going to get meaningful results for something. They'd be better off searching Urban Dictionary. (t &#183; c) buidhe 18:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary. We should only have redirects for common slang terms. Hog Farm (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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Phuck
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Fuck. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Phuck → Satiric misspelling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phuck&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to f**k. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Fuck given that it is a nonstandard spelling of the word - . Hzh (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Fuck as R from misspelling. Hog Farm (talk) 19:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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England world cup squad
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Modwena
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Modwenna. signed,Rosguill talk 21:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Modwena → Moninne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modwena&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Modwena" is not mentioned at the target, and without a mention it is confusing to land there and not at Modwenna. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Quoting the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article on Monnine: "It is not clear when and how the identification was made between the founder of Killevy, who died in 517, and St Modwenna [Modwen] of Burton (fl. before 12th cent.), whose bones were enshrined in the abbey of Burton upon Trent." In other words it's a stretch. So Modwena should redirect to Modwenna anyway, I think. If someone wants to write about this tentative stuff connecting the two articles, they can do so with whatever references there are. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Occupy Paedophilia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Occupy Pedophilia. This is the obvious result now that an article has been written. (Thanks, !) -- Tavix  ( talk ) 13:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Occupy Paedophilia → Violence against LGBT people (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Occupy_Paedophilia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete - Not mentioned in target and never was. (now indeffed as a sock) created the redirect in 2014 and edited the target page shortly thereafter. They did not give any explanation for the redirect, there was nothing there, I can't find anything now that would make it a reasonable search term. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 05:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Deletenot mentioned in target page <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 02:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This one just seems plain wrong to have. Captain Galaxy (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above --DannyS712 (talk) 10:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to LGBT history in Russia or Delete. This is the name of a Russian anti-gay group that has well referenced articles in the Spanish, French and Russian Wikipedias, and with plenty of English-language sources covering at least 2013-2019 it seems very likely that they are notable. They get quite a few mentions in the LGBT history in Russia article, but that section is a huge wall of prose that probably needs splitting off into an article of its own so it's not easy to find in there the relevant content. Whatever, the current target is wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 11:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to LGBT history in Russia since it is an actual group with sufficient coverage -, and marked with possibility to expand into its own article. Hzh (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this thing (1st choice) because it kinda reeks of WP:POV, or slightly weak retarget to LGBT history in Russia (2nd choice). I'm also wondering if it can be expanded into an article like Hzh above me, since there's similar stuff on the other three Wikipedias Thryduulf provides here. Regards, SONIC  678  20:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the information provided by Thryduulf and Hzh. --Micky (talk) 02:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 08:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Captain Galaxy (talk) 08:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget Occupy Pedophilia I've drafted an article. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 21:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Occupy Pedophilia (changing my !vote) per Buidhe, people might search for the group using this term. Regards, SONIC  678  22:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Occupy Pedophilia (changing my !vote) per Buidhe (Good work). This is a very plausible alternative spelling of the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 00:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I change my vote to retarget to Occupy Pedophilia per discussion after the relisting. Captain Galaxy (talk) 12:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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Launch of Sputnik
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sputnik 1. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Launch of Sputnik → Sputnik crisis (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Launch_of_Sputnik&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Wrong target; retarget to Sputnik 1. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 08:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. The section being proposed clearly is talking about the launch of Sputnik, which is what the redirect is called. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 15:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Nobody using this search term is going to be surprised to end up there, which is not necessarily the case with the present target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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Danzig
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Danzig → Gdańsk (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danzig&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In English sources, the name "Danzig" almost always refers to prior eras of the city's history, when it was part of German entities and most residents were German-speaking. Therefore the redirect could be change to History of Gdańsk. Alternately, since the band Danzig (band) and the particular entity Free City of Danzig (which was larger than the city, often called "Danzig" for short) are also very prominent, perhaps there is no primary topic and this should be disambiguated (see Danzig (disambiguation)). (This would be my first choice). <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 06:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Previous discussion at Talk:Danzig. Note that the redirect is not tagged as it is fully-protected. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 07:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:ROUNDROBIN with Danzig (disambiguation) per nom. The closure should be an administrator who will unprotect the redirect and do according to the consensus. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 08:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note I've added the tag to the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Round-robin swap with Danzig (disambiguation) per nom and Soyuma (but first, as the latter notes, this thing should be unprotected), this term has no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and can refer to anything on that page. Regards, SONIC  678  23:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Primary topic based on long-term significance. Disambiguation would cause a big headache. Gdansk-Vote-Notice, which is transcluded on 129 pages, is admin-protected too. It specifically instructs editors to "use the name Danzig between 1308 and 1945", with no guidance on how to disambiguate "Danzig". Check back in 50 years to see if the band "Danzig" is still famous. A page swap of this import should probably be discussed at WP:RM rather than here, and notify WT:WikiProject Poland. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:27, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am neutral about the Danzig band. Besides, Danzig means both Gdańsk and Free City of Danzig. Therefore, disambiguation should be necessary. If the consensus is reached that we will WP:ROUNDROBIN with Danzig (disambiguation), then we do not have to formally request that via WP:RM. I shall notify the WP Poland for their opinion. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ the WP Poland about this. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Danzig is the German name for Gdańsk. Yes, it is mostly used when referring to Gdańsk in the past, but it is the same place. There are thousands of existing links to Danzig, and the vast majority of them use the link to refer to the city. That other things are named after Gdańsk (Danzig), does not diminish from Gdańsk (Danzig) itself being the primary topic.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep the same subject for a really long period of time and huge usage base in this meaning. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Wbm1058 and Bob not snob, particularly with what Wbm wrote about the Gdansk Vote. Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although previous consensus is that Gdansk is more common in English for modern contexts, Danzig is also used in modern contexts, especially in English-speaking countries outside Europe. The primary topic is the city as a whole, not just certain historical periods of it. Deryck C. 14:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above keep !voters. When I see Danzig, I always assume the city. The current target also already has a hatnote linking to the disambiguation, so I don't see the point of round-robining to the dab. --pandakekok9 (talk) Junk the Philippine anti-terror law! 10:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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Bonjwa
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Help:I-Land
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 06:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Help:I-Land → Draft:I-Land (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:I-Land&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect to draft DannyS712 (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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8:46 AM
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


 * 8:46 AM → September 11 attacks (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8:46_AM&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is one of many events that occurred at 8:46 AM. As far as I'm aware, 8:46 AM is not a search term for, or has a primary topic of, the September 11 attacks. Since we don't have articles or redirects for specific times unless they're unambiguously in very common use or titles of specific media, I recommend delete. ComplexRational (talk) 01:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, while these crashes shows up first in Google search results, they don't necessarily determine the primary topic, and there's also stuff relating to George Floyd's memory. Other than those and all these other events, it's just a normal time of day. Regards, SONIC  678  04:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikelt and unuseful. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  00:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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US space program
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