Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 26

May 26
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 26, 2020.

Prime Minister of Tobago
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago. (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 22:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Prime Minister of Tobago → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prime_Minister_of_Tobago&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago Pm → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_Pm&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago pm → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_pm&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago PM → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_PM&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Prime minister of Tobago → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prime_minister_of_Tobago&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobagonian Prime minister → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_Prime_minister&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobagonian Prime Minister → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_Prime_Minister&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobagonian Pm → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_Pm&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobagonian pm → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_pm&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobagonian PM → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_PM&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago Prime Minister → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_Prime_Minister&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago Prime minister → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_Prime_minister&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pm of Tobago → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pm_of_Tobago&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * PM of Tobago → Chief Secretary of Tobago (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PM_of_Tobago&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While there is a Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago, the Chief Secretary of Tobago is a distinct position and does not appear to ever be known as prime minister. I would suggest either redirecting to List of prime ministers of Trinidad and Tobago or deletion. Note that Prime Minister of Trinidad already points to List of prime ministers of Trinidad and Tobago. signed,Rosguill talk 20:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget all to List of prime ministers of Trinidad and Tobago per nom, where some of them previously redirected when they were created, judging by their histories. Regards, SONIC  678  21:45, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as an ambiguous wrong name for either of two positions, but a correct name for nothing. For similar reasons, we don't have President of Wisconsin or other such redirects. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 23:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget all per Sonic. Some of these are likely query names, some less likely, but all plausible and it is cost-free to have maximum effectiveness out of the search engine. Carrite (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget all per and . --Stay safe, ◊ PRAHLAD balaji  (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 02:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget all seems to be the practical solution. They are mostly likely search terms. --Bejnar (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what's the basis to conclude that someone who typed this in is more likely to be searching for the Trinidad and Tobago position (when they specifically didn't type "Trinidad") instead of the Tobago position? 59.149.124.29 (talk) 23:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The fact that they typed "Prime minister" or equivalent. --Bejnar (talk) 02:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A reader who typed this in either got "Prime Minister" right and "Trinidad and Tobago" wrong, or they got "Tobago" right and "Chief Secretary" wrong. The latter is a reasonably plausible error even for someone who's familiar with Caribbean politics, given the history of the title "Chief Secretary" and the fact that the analogous position (i.e. the head of government of the smaller island) in Saint Kitts and Nevis is called the Premier. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 08:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a reason. An error of omission is much more likely than an error of commission. --Bejnar (talk) 04:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * How about we turn Prime Minister of Tobago to a dab consisting of Chief Secretary of Tobago and List of prime ministers of Trinidad and Tobago? Then retarget the rest to the dab page. Pandakekok9 (talk) 09:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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FROG (project)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * FROG (project) → Framework Programmes for Research and Technological Development (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FROG_(project)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target or any other article; my inquiry at Talk:Framework Programmes for Research and Technological Development as to whether a mention could be added to that article hasn't had a response in the last month, so in the absence of any better options I think this should be deleted. (According to the article previously at that location, "FROG" stands for "Fun Robotic Outdoor Guide".) – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Narky Blert (talk) 14:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. says it all. --Bejnar (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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Edit pane
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 12%23Edit pane

Industrial Intelligence Centre
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 3%23Industrial Intelligence Centre

Tobagonian parliament
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Parliament of Trinidad and Tobago. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 19:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Tobagonian parliament → Tobago House of Assembly (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_parliament&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobagonian Parliament → Tobago House of Assembly (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobagonian_Parliament&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Parliament of Tobago → Tobago House of Assembly (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parliament_of_Tobago&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago parliament → Tobago House of Assembly (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_parliament&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tobago Parliament → Tobago House of Assembly (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tobago_Parliament&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Similar to the PM of Tobago example below, while Tobago's legislature is the House of Assembly, there is also the separate Parliament of Trinidad and Tobago. I think that redirecting to that article is likely the best course of action, but I'm open to being swayed otherwise. signed,Rosguill talk 20:45, 19 May 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to Parliament of Trinidad and Tobago per nom, this seems to be what people are looking for. I'm not sure if the House of Assembly is also known as a Parliament... Regards, SONIC  678  23:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget all per Sonic. Carrite (talk) 03:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget all per nom,, and . --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 16:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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Satyanathayati
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Satyanathayati → Satyanatha Tirtha (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyanathayati&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Satyanatha yati → Satyanatha Tirtha (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyanatha_yati&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Satyanatha Yati → Satyanatha Tirtha (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyanatha_Yati&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Terms do not appear in target article Pam  D  22:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can refer to google books, Satyanatha Tirtha is also known by this name. He's the author of 12 prominent works and belongs to Madhva school of Dvaita Vedanta in Hinduism, Thanks - MRRaja001 (talk) 23:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yati means Monk or Pontiff in Hinduism (India), so it is used as a replacement in many instances for Tirtha, Saraswati, Bharati which are last names of Pontiffs. It should be linked to its respective article to avoid confusions, Thanks - MRRaja001 (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Question to MRRaja001. Are you saying that "Satyanathayati" in its various forms may refer to multiple individuals?  If so, should it be a disambiguation page, or is the class of referents too large?  --Bejnar (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Satyanathayati, Satynatha Yati or Satyanatha yati is the name of same person called Satyanatha Tirtha. I was explaining what "Yati" means that's it. - MRRaja001 (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The explanation would have been better if you had pointed to the Wikipedia article Yati. --Bejnar (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you close this discussion - MRRaja001 (talk) 04:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment It seems that the primary target for Satyanatha should be Satyanatha Tirtha, and that these redirects are unnecessary. But, redirects are cheap.  Nonetheless, I would redirect Satyanatha → Satyanatha Tirtha, and delete the others. --Bejnar (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * These are not cheap redirects. You can search and see on Goolge books, Satyanatha Tirtha is also referred as Satyanatha Yati in most of the references. - MRRaja001 (talk) 03:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In all instances where he is referred to as "Satyanatha Yati", he is referred to as "Satyanatha", and that should take care of that, lets not complicate things, unless you think that Satyanatha Tirtha is not primary for "Satyanatha". For the concept of primary, see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --Bejnar (talk) 04:41, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Satyanatha is only found in Wikipedia as part of Satyanatha Tirtha's name. The following versions of his name, taken from the articles's sources, seem to suggest that pragmatically the directs for the article need to include Satyanatha and Satyanatha Yati.
 * - Karma - Satyanātha Tirtha and Satyanātha ;
 * - R. C. Majumdar - Satyanātha-yati ;
 * - Bhatnagar - Satyanatha Yati ;
 * - Glasenapp - Satyanātha and Satyanātha-tīrtha ;
 * - Nakamura - Satyanātha ;
 * - Potter, Stoker - Satyanātha Yati and
 * - Samuel - Satyanātha and Satyanātha Tīrtha
 * - Sarma - Satyanātha-Tīrtha
 * - Pandurangi - Śrī Satyanātha yati.
 * Hope this helps. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:21, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Several of the sites you have just listed refer to him as just "Satyanatha". The yati is clearly superfluous. --Bejnar (talk) 12:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Professor (Dr) Bimal . N. Patel
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Professor (Dr) Bimal . N. Patel">Professor (Dr) Bimal . N. Patel → Bimal N. Patel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Professor_(Dr)_Bimal_._N._Patel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a reasonable search term, what with the title-stacking and odd spacing and punctuation. Article was created as a whitewashed version of Bimal N. Patel after attempted whitewashing of the main article was reverted, then converted to a redirect to that article. --<b style="color: green;">Finngall</b> <sup style="color: #D4A017;">talk 22:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Implausible redirect. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per . --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 02:03, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, recently created WP:POVFORK implausible alternative name AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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Elendur son of Isildur
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 3%23Elendur son of Isildur

Rotomi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rotomi → Pokémon Sword and Shield (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotomi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target. Minor setting detail of Pokémon Sword and Shield, delete unless a duly sourced mention can be added to the target. signed,Rosguill talk 20:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete for lack of information at target. Or possibly retarget to Rotimi (a disambiguation page) as a likely misspelling. --Bejnar (talk) 05:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete unless given a decent mention. This appears to be some kind of information service terminal in the game. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete It's just not necessary as it points to a very minor feature of the game that not a lot of people would type, especially for Sword and Shield. Captain Galaxy (talk) 20:41, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Captain Farron
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Not mentioned at the target. Likely characters from the game, but without any mention it's not quite useful. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Captain Farron → Legends of Runeterra (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Captain_Farron&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Cithria the Bold → Legends of Runeterra (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cithria_the_Bold&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tianna Crownguard → Legends of Runeterra (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tianna_Crownguard&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete It is not a logical search term for the game Legends of Runeterra. It is just another card. Captain Farron is a Epic Card from the Noxus Region. It will Cost 8 Mana to use and has 8 Health, 8 Attack and will Play: Replace your hand with Decimates. Also, it would be Too Much Detail to discuss individual cards in that article, so the redirect does not perform a navigational purpose either. --Bejnar (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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Opteon
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RSS Prarthana
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * RSS Prarthana → Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RSS_Prarthana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Prarthanas or prayers, or even mottos aren't discussed in the main RSS article. Per MOS:DABMENTION this would be needed to keep it listed for Prarthana. So get rid of it? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

See also Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh/Archive_7 AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete It does not serve an informative purpose. It is not a logical search term for Shri Sangh. --Bejnar (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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Happineſs
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  on the bulk of the redirects, delete Moſt (disambiguation).

There's clearly competing ideas as to what utility these redirects have. Arguments fall broadly into the three categories:
 * 1) Readers could reasonably copy-paste a word written with the long S, and would find it useful to be taken to the article on that word spelled with a standard S.
 * 2) Readers could reasonably copy-paste a word written with the long S, and would find it useful to be taken to the article telling them about the long S itself.
 * 3) The long-s variant is not mentioned at either target, making these redirects purely a dictionary function and/or not useful to readers. As we don't propose to make these redirects for all words with S in them, it's inconsistent to keep these anyway.

I cannot really criticise any of these arguments as being unreasonable, and all can be justified by some aspect of redirect guidelines. Multiple participants have helpfully revisited their opinion after other options were suggested, but ultimately the fairly wide-ranging group of people that participated in this just don't agree. As the status quo is one of the above-mentioned reasonable options, and was supported by the previous consensus, we will leave the targets unchanged at this time.

Moſt (disambiguation) is unique in being specifically mentioned by several participants as being non-useful, and both of the above arguments to keep these don't apply to it, so it alone has consensus to be deleted. ~ mazca  talk 11:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * <span id="Happineſs">Happineſs → Happiness (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Happine%C5%BFs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Thiſ appearſ to be ſpelt with the archaic long letter "ſ" which ſerved a ſimilar purpoſe to the letter "s". Unlikely that anyone would type thiſ ſpelling. TheAwesome Hwyh  00:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, unlikely spelling. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I don't see how people could search thiſ with mixed alphabetſ, like Latin and Cyrillic letterſ together. Regardſ, SONIC  678  04:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. This isn't the 18th century. Narky Blert (talk) 05:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment A large batch of these were created at the same time in 2014. We deleted one other (horſe) in October 2016. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * 1)  → Goodness
 * 2)  → Translation
 * 3)  → Translation
 * 4)  → Translation
 * 5)  → Horseback
 * 6)  → Expressivity
 * 7)  → Expressivity
 * 8)  → Against
 * 9)  → Breathless
 * 10)  → Most (disambiguation)
 * 11)  → Most
 * 12)  → Request
 * 13)  → Resemblance
 * 14)  → Disturbance
 * 15)  → First
 * 16)  → Disturb
 * 17)  → Present
 * 18)  → Pulse
 * 19)  → Whose
 * 20)  → Eastern
 * 21)  → Use
 * 22)  → Asleep
 * 23)  → Also
 * 24)  → Pleasure


 * Deleten all – This is not the 18th century. Redirects with the archaic long letter "ſ" ſhould be forbidden on Wikipedia.
 * Alſo, the archaic long letter "ſ" is neuer uſed at the end of the word. --Soumyabrata talk contribs ſubpages 08:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's pretty intereſting. Thanks for the ſurprising piece of information, ſoumyabrata! TheAwesome  Hwyh  19:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag as a r from alternative spelling. It's old-fashioned, but it's not wrong. This is how it's spelled in the United States Declaration of Independence: "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happineſs." - Eureka Lott 14:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as there are many other redirects on Wikipedia that are spelt this way. Also, the US Declaration of Independence was spelled like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyBoy826 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've signed this comment for you, please remember to sign your comments in the future! TheAwesome  Hwyh  19:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Eureka Lott and the previous consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_8, as the character can be interchanged for regular 's' when used as a search term, only one pageview in the 90 days prior to this RfD.  Can you please explain why you viewed this one differently from the previous RfD linked above? -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This spelling is used in the United States Declaration of Independence. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * So, what's next? Naſa, outer ſpace? --Soumyabrata talk contribs subpages 09:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that's relevant here—the first is a proper noun coined after the long s disappeared from usage, and the second does not have any prominent usage due to the fact that outer space was not written about in any noteworthy way while the long s was popular. -- Tavix ( talk ) 11:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It ſhould be NAꞄA (in uppercaſe), as it is an acronym (for National American Ꞅpace Agency). Teſting1221 (talk) 09:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete all per WP:Not a dictionary. Such a redirect would make sense only if there were notable cases where this spelling is commonly used and could lead to a search in WP. Apparently this is not the case for any of these redirects. This does not prevent to have a Wiktionary entry for all those words that occur in the United States Declaration of Independence. D.Lazard (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC) See below my reason of striking. D.Lazard (talk) 10:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:RPURPOSE says that one of the purposes of a redirect is for alternative spellings, and the U. S. Declaration of Independence attests this alternative spelling in a prominent way. -- Tavix ( talk ) 11:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Then fill the Wiktionary with the attested words containing archaic long letter "ſ". --Soumyabrata talk contribs subpages 04:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary consensus appears to forbid both entries and redirects for ſ spellings. See wikt:Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2010/January. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep spellings for words that were in use before the retirement of the long s. This isn't the 18th century, but I feel Wikipedia should redirect archaic forms to modern ones, and this was in use. Also while "the character can be interchanged for regular 's' when used as a search term" I also consider hand-typed URLs in the web browser search bars, which do not do this. I like to be comprehensive when writing redirects. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I think there needs to be more discussion here, as I read this as having reached consensus yet. Moreover, as noted, the additional 24 redirects have not been tagged; I will now do that.
 * Delete all. The only argument for its usefulness would be that someone might search for it if they came across it in an old text. But if they don't recognize that the ſ is supposed to be an s (thus allowing them to search the term normally), then surely they wouldn't be capable of typing a ſ either. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 19:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all Useless and not needed on Wikipedia  but might be fine on Wiktionary 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment – none of the listed redirects other than Happineſs have been tagged for RfD, so it is not currently possible to delete any of the additional redirects as a result of this discussion. If someone feels motivated to actually add them, the discussion can be relisted. signed,Rosguill talk 08:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete all Searching the target has no mention of the redirect article for every one of these. &thinsp;3125A<sup style="background-color:#EFF"> Talk! Edits!&thinsp; 14:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above; I don't see anyone managing to find ſ without realizing what the word they're trying to type is.  PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 16:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Euraka Lot. This is a correct alternative ſpelling - that it's archaic is not relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:Redirects are cheap. WT79 The Engineer (talk) 18:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – regarding the argument that no one could possibly type these terms without understanding that ſ is equivalent s, someone could conceivably copy text from a website that includes an example using ſ. I wouldn't encourage the creation of these redirects, but deleting them now doesn't accomplish anything. signed,Rosguill talk 23:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to Long s – I have stroken my !vote, which was based on the fact that WP is not a dictionary. This new !vote is based on WP:LEAST: One may guess that someone searching for "happineſs" is not really interested in the subject of the linked article, but want some information on this spelling (otherwise, he would probably search for "happiness") So, the proposed redirect would provide the relevant information. On the other hand, searching for "happineſs" and arriving to the current target, where the spelling does not appear, would be highly astonishing, if one has never heard of this old spelling. In the unespected case of a reader searching for "happiness", the proposed target would make easy to reach the searched article. I hope that this suggestion could satisfy both "keeping" editors and "deleting" editors. D.Lazard (talk) 10:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Revote as Redirect all to Long s per D.Lazard. WT79 The Engineer (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2020
 * After redirecting to long s, we could add the following hatnote to long s:
 * which produces: WT79 (Speak to me &#124; account info) 07:44, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * which produces: WT79 (Speak to me &#124; account info) 07:44, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We're heading towards a distribution of opinion that is very different from that when this was last debated at RfD five years ago. Also, the option "retarget long s" was suggested since the last relist, so I think we should keep the discussion open to see how much support it will attract.
 * Delete per nom; unlikely search term. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 00:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, since nobody is going to come across that phrase in 18th-century texts. No opinion on the others. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete all. If I was going to search up the long s, I'd just type the long s itself. But the long s article makes more sense though so retarget to there if these are kept. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 20:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to long s per a combination of and the most helpful thing for the readers. I think the most likely scenario of finding these redirects is copying a word with the long s from another place on the internet, then pasting it into the Wikipedia search engine. In that scenario long s would explain more than the word itself with the modern s. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 21:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose retarget to Long s, fairly strongly in fact. Come on guys, we have a long history of deleting unmentioned examples, let's not create more here. If someone wants to learn about the long s specifically, they can copy that part of the word and paste it. If pasting the whole word, someone should get the whole word, not just one letter of it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:Redirects are cheap, just because a user could only select part of a word shouldn't mean that we should only give them that option. per my previous proposal above, the long s article would end up with a hatnote, explaining that redirects. WT79 (Speak to me &#124; account info) 08:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all except for Moſt (disambiguation), which should be deleted. The others are all reasonable variants of the word given historical usage (these could be encountered by users looking at old documents in the web and not knowing what the long s is), but pages ending in (disambiguation) are really for internal purposes, not user-facing purposes, although they are technically user-facing.  I see no value in an anachronism in a page title that reader's generally don't use. Hog Farm (talk) 02:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But wouldn't a retarget to long s while putting up a hatnote on the new target explaining that the reader should replace ſ with s work too? Not only will retargeting and hatnoting achieve the same purpose, but also the reader will learn more about long s. Win-win! im temtem • hOI!! • fsfdfg • alt account of pandakekok9 09:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm split between retargeting them all (except Moſt (disambiguation), that should be deleted as that's a very unlikely search term and unnecessary clutter) to long s and deleting. A retarget could work per D.Lazard, as long as we put up a hatnote on the new target explaining the redirects as WT79 said. However, retargeting them all might lead to WP:PANDORA where readers would expect that all words with a long s will work, hence the delete !votes. I would however oppose keeping all of these redirects as it is (especially Moſt (disambiguation)), because that will definitely lead to WP:PANDORA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TemTem (talk • contribs) 09:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Majoritarian
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 9%23Majoritarian

Lori Klausutis
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 9%23Lori Klausutis

Martuni, Azerbaijan
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 3%23Martuni, Azerbaijan

Steamed Hams
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to 22 Short Films About Springfield. (non-admin closure) feminist &#124; wear a mask, protect everyone 15:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Steamed Hams → Steamed cheeseburger (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steamed_Hams&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:DIFFCAPS, can safely redirect to 22 Short Films About Springfield while  can continue to target Steamed cheeseburger. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I fail to see any problem with its current target, and it might be somewhat confusing to have different targets for different capitalizations. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:45, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, we frequently have targets that lead to different locations based off capitalization differences alone. If you were looking for "Steamed Hams" the clip, you're already going to be confused by the choice of target. Hatnotes can take care of everything else. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per the nominator. Having different targets for different capitalisations is nothing unusual for Wikipedia; WP:DIFFCAPS lists several precedents for it. Glades12 (talk) 09:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom and . --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, do people actually call steamed burgers "steamed hams"? --BDD (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. I think the Simpsons episode is the clear primary topic for either capitalisation; as I've argued before, I think steamed hams should point to the Simpsons episode too. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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Broker Algonquin Dukes Bohan Alderney
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Broker Algonquin Dukes Bohan Alderney → Grand Theft Auto IV (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Broker_Algonquin_Dukes_Bohan_Alderney&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect name lists all five boroughs in Grand Theft Auto IV, which is not a term that anybody is searching for. – Rhain  ☔ 00:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY. At first sight, I thought this redirect might be something to do with a Norman member of the Bohun family, lord of Alderney. Narky Blert (talk) 07:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dab as it could refer to multiple things. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 17:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Really? Think about how ridiculous that would be. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 21:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That wouldn’t work since their isn’t any article on Wikipedia called Broker Algonquin Dukes Bohan Alderney (or known by that name in any capicity) which would be a prerequisite for a dab page.--69.157.254.64 (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete it’s highly unlikely that someone looking up GTA IV would type the 5 boroughs in the game as one consecutive entry and there doesn’t appear to be any other viable targets.--69.157.254.64 (talk) 23:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete not just an unlikely search term, but deliberate conflation. --Bejnar (talk) 05:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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