Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 29

May 29
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 29, 2020.

Remineralize The Earth
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 02:54, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Remineralize The Earth → John D. Hamaker (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Remineralize_The_Earth&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

deletion because a red link is needed for remineralize the earth so that a new article can detail the work undertaken by this non-profit organization. Mfbx5sf62 (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment This can easily be done by overwriting the redirect. Jalen Folf   (talk)  03:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep This is a perfectly valid redirect for now that provides information about the organization. Are you trying to create an article yourself, or are you hoping that a red link will encourage someone else to do so? I dont think the latter works in this case because someone will already find pertinent info that is not misleading. If you want to create the article, you have two easy ways to do so:
 * Simply click edit on the redirect to make an article directly (maybe even WP:BOLDly copy/paste split the section saying where the content came from to start)
 * Start a draft at Draft:Remineralize the Earth, and once the page is ready, either submit through WP:AfC (preferred for new editors), or request a move to overwrite the redirect at WP:RM/TR
 * -2pou (talk) 05:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural keep. From the very top of this page, "If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, you do not need to list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!" Narky Blert (talk) 07:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep but the capitalisation should be Remineralize the Earth and any new article should be there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Moving to this location without leaving a redirect would match the org's own naming convention. Possibly refine to include #Remineralize the Earth -2pou (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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What you see is what you get
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 * The result of the discussion was uncontroversial retarget  to WYSIWYG. This was the target before a vandal vandalised it. This was also closed and reopened by me, but there hasn't been any more discussion in the past five hours. I'll assume this is uncontroversial. (non-admin closure)  Crazy  Boy  826  04:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * What you see is what you get → Geraldine Jones (character) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=What_you_see_is_what_you_get&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Could also mean  WYSIWYG a computing term 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget to WYSIWYG. That is the only and previous target - this is so uncontroversial I'm going to be bold and change it myself.  Crazy Boy  826  23:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - Wouldn't What You See Is What You Get (disambiguation) make a better target? It's it's own dab page. Hog Farm (talk) 00:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a primary target.  Crazy Boy  826  01:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Clerical abuse
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Religious abuse. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Clerical abuse → Catholic Church sexual abuse cases (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clerical_abuse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is not confined to Catholicism. Hog Farm (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree it should not redirect to Catholic Church sexual abuse cases. It is misleading and even contributes to a misunderstanding that clergy abuse is limited to the Catholic Church, which is insulting to victims of all clergy sexual abuse. I'm not sure where it should redirect, possibly Religious abuse, but if necessary retitle it to "Clerical abuse in the Catholic Church". Sundayclose (talk) 23:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Religious abuse per Sundayclose -2pou (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. There is also Sexual abuse to consider, but IMO it would be a less satisfactory target. Narky Blert (talk) 07:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. "Clerical" isn't "Catholic", and "abuse" isn't "sexual abuse". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:40, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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The Land Before Time XV
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The Land Before Time XV → The Land Before Time (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Land_Before_Time_XV&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unconfirmable WP:CRYSTAL. All third-party search results for this seem to return fan-made ideas without any references to anything concretely official. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Narky Blert (talk) 13:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. since it does not exist, and although it may be a reasonable search for a fan to make, it serves no navigational function, and otherwise the fan would go to "The Land Before Time" to look for additional sequels. --Bejnar (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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The Land Before Time Began
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to The Land Before Time (film). Works for me. (This is akin to a discussion withdraw.) (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The Land Before Time Began → The Land Before Time (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Land_Before_Time_Began&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seem like a citable or a commonly-used misnomer for the target. Likelihood offers her using the extra word at the end is next to none. Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Retarget to The Land Before Time (film) - It's a working title for the film, see . Hog Farm (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Tree Stars
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Tree Stars → The Land Before Time (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tree_Stars&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear what this refers to... Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, a minor fictional name for tree leaves. A Google search mostly brings up results for a brand of weed. Hog Farm (talk) 21:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Rocket launch site
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . See below. (non-admin closure) Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Rocket launch site → List of rocket launch sites (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rocket_launch_site&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The term "rocket launch site" is summarized on spaceport, not on the target article. Better retargeting it to spaceport. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per nom. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 21:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Spaceport explains that not all rocket launch sites are called spaceports. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 20:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as is. I have to agree with Shhhnotsoloud on this one. The list is not descriptive, but it is an accurate target, and depending upon what the searcher is looking for, may be the solution he or she seeks.  If not, the lead-in there gives enough information for the seeker to get to Spaceport.  --Bejnar (talk) 07:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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Charlie and the Party Smashers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 12:50, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Charlie and the Party Smashers → Hollywood Undead (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlie_and_the_Party_Smashers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, when searching online the only results are Wikipedia metadata generated by this redirect. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has no information about the subject. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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BGY plan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 12:50, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * BGY plan → Guo Wengui (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BGY_plan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 3F plan → Guo Wengui (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3F_plan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 21:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Enwiki has nothing about either term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Overshoot (epidemiology)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Herd immunity. signed,Rosguill talk 19:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Overshoot (epidemiology)">Overshoot (epidemiology) → Herd immunity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overshoot_(epidemiology)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Overshoot" is not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment For what it's worth, the concept is explained here and here. TompaDompa (talk) 22:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can't write a paragraph or so about it in the next few days. TompaDompa (talk) 00:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * . Suggest Keep/Retarget to Herd immunity. TompaDompa (talk) 11:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Does this adequately address your issues with the redirect or would further fixes be needed? TompaDompa (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * yep, looks great. I'll go ahead and close this discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 19:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine target per TompaDompa. Narky Blert (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Gangsta rap (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Gangsta Rap. Withdraw in favor of speedy retarget, dab page created. (non-admin closure) Hog Farm (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gangsta rap (disambiguation)">Gangsta rap (disambiguation) → Gangsta (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gangsta_rap_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There seems to be only one topic on the dab page Gangsta with the title "Gangsta rap", doesn't seem to be necessary. Hog Farm (talk) 18:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC) *Delete per nom as unnecessary. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 19:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. If the target were Gangsta rap, this redirect could be speedied under WP:G14. Narky Blert (talk) 07:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Gangsta Rap which has now been converted from a redirect to a disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pinging previous commenters   Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget (changing !vote) to DAB page Gangsta Rap. Narky Blert (talk) 08:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Changing my !vote as well to speedy retarget to Gangsta Rap. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 09:53, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Bum gravy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Bum gravy → Diarrhea (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bum_gravy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A Google search does not seem to indicate that this is a common term, or that it is used exclusively for diarrhea. Google search brought up various sexual practices, a NN band that produced an album titled "Excretion", and a prank about Nutella. Not commonly used for this topic Hog Farm (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Implausible search term as well. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 19:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * delete as obscure synonym at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. We are not Urban Dictionary; readers can search there instead. Narky Blert (talk) 13:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, maybe WP:DAFT. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 14:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nobody is going to search this up besides the 1 odd joker. Also it's absolutely disgusting to think about. Captain Galaxy (talk) 20:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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Midnight crazies
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Frenetic random activity periods, for which this is a colloquial term. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Midnight crazies → Cat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Midnight_crazies&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target article. Delete unless a justification can be proven. Ocelot Creeper ( ta lk ) 17:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

*Delete per nom; I don't see what this has to do with cats. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, not evident relation to cats. Hog Farm (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. What?  Crazy Boy  826  01:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete "Midnight crazies", of course. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 20:53, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant "Delete. what?"  Crazy Boy  826  21:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Frenetic random activity periods, which actually describes this concept. An internet search for this term turns up tons of results of veterinary hospitals referring to this behavior as "midnight crazies", so I've added a sourced mention to this suggested target. I'd also hazard a guess that none of the delete voters have ever owned a cat. signed,Rosguill talk 19:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think I've known anyone who owned a cat; quite the reverse. Dogs have owners, cats have staff. Narky Blert (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I own a cat (and used to have another), and I'm the nominator. Nevertheless, your retarget idea is a good possibility. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 14:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Changing my !vote to speedy retarget to Frenetic random activity periods per above. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji  (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 09:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Molderland
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Molderland → Moldavia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Molderland&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, no hits on Google Scholar. The spelling suggests that it could be a German term, but there's no entry on deWiki either. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 21:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I could find nothing at all. The German names for Moldavia/Moldova and so on all derive from "Moldau", and changing -au to -er strikes me as highly implausible; it's not how German works. I can find no evidence that "mold", "molde", "molden" or "molder" exist in German. Narky Blert (talk) 04:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hello guys, sorry I left the job unfinished, after the redirection I should have added more relevant info on the Moldavia article, which now | I have just done. Thank you and sorry for any incoveniences. 13:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliniuc (talk • contribs)


 * Who is this? Use your signature correctly 3125A<sup style="background-color:#ADD8E6;padding:4px 5px 5px 5px">Talk!Contributions! 15:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's probably not a good idea for someone who has a problematic line-stretching signature to tell someone to "use your signature correctly". To answer the "Who is this?" question, that can be answered by looking at the page history. The edit was made by Caliniuc at 13:38, 13 May 2020. Using unsigned would be a better way to resolve the issue, which I am applying with this edit to show how it's done. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete "Molderland" was not directly sourced (inference only), and could be regarded as insulting. --Bejnar (talk) 04:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom; almost nonexistent search term. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Murder of George Floyd
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . When this was nominated, this seemed like an implausible redirect. However, the situation has changed, and the police officer has been charged for murder. There has been an unusually large amount of discussion, probably because many people were led here due to this being such a popular destination. However, all the delete arguments are now outdated, and there is a clear consensus to keep. (non-admin closure)  Crazy  Boy  826  17:06, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Murder of George Floyd → Death of George Floyd (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_George_Floyd&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

George Floyd was not murdered.  Crazy Boy  826  15:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep maybe not, but a ,lot of people will look up that exact term, because they do not agree.Slatersteven (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for now – Would not be opposed to re-opening when more definitive information is released from reliable sources, although this somewhat conflicts with the ongoing move discussion on the linked page, so we should probably let that finish before closing this. Jdcomix (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enough sources have called it a murder, so it's plausible that people would search using this term to find the article. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It has been called murder (or death or killing) in reliable sources. Useful redirect. --Thi (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – Murder is a legal term. Referring to this as a murder in WP:WikiVoice would constitute a WP:BLPCRIME violation (and might even be libellous), as nobody has been convicted thereof (though that may change). That's enough of a reason not to use it in the title of an article or a redirect either. I don't find the argument that people will look up this exact term particularly convincing as a reason to keep it, because the article that is the target of the redirect (Death of George Floyd) is one of the first search results when searching for the title of this redirect anyway – people will find the article they are looking for even without the redirect, so the redirect is not necessary. TompaDompa (talk) 17:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the officer has since been arrested and charged with murder. . -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A murder charge is quite different from a judicial finding of murder. WP:BLPCRIME must be applied here. WWGB (talk) 05:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per TompaDompa and nom. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's libellous. Jim Michael (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't have time for a full comment but please bear in mind RNEUTRAL when casting your !vote. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 21:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL as stated above. Many people do believe he was murdered, so this is an entirely plausible search term. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There are plenty of people on Google Trends searching for Murder of George Floyd —SpanishSnake (talk | contribs) 01:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - McMichael was charged with murder, making this a very plausible search term. Guettarda (talk) 02:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - At least until or if proven otherwise. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - there has been no conviction as of yet and therefor no murder. If that changes the main article will likely be moved to that title, and there will be no reason for a redirect anyway. 172.101.5.82 (talk) 04:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a clear breach of WP:BLPCRIME. The officer charged has NOT been found guilty of murder, and murder must not be inferred. WWGB (talk) 05:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, BLPCRIME covers whether or not we should call it murder in our own voice in the article. Redirects are allowed to be non-neutral. BLPCRIME also isn't a hard and fast ban on content that implies guilt that must be mechanically followed, but rather a strong caution against it. signed,Rosguill talk 05:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Those citing BLPCRIME are in error. That is for articles, whereas RNEUTRAL allows non-neutral redirects. Further, as a redirect doesn't need to be factual, there is no need to wait for an autopsy. Yardenac (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Rather or not Floyd was murdered, this is going to be a popular redirect. Also, WP:BLPCRIME doesn't apply to redirects and WP:RNEUTRAL allows for non-neutral redirects. However, I think User:Jim Michael has as good point with the libel concern; theoretically, I guess a lawsuit is possible. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. The article is correctly titled "Death", because that is the established fact. WP:BLPCRIME doesn't apply here; this redirect does not name a living person. Per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not have to be neutral. However, the most telling argument to me is as follows. This case is all over the newspapers, radio, TV and social media. What is a very likely search term for readers who don't know our naming conventions? That's right, this one - and there's evidence for that in the page views. It helps readers find what they are looking for. Narky Blert (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Could the people who want the redirect kept address the libel concern? Jim Michael (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure we'd have to literally include text in the article, in wikivoice saying "Officer XYZ murdered George Floyd" for a libel charge to even begin to be plausible, and even then I think we'd still be on pretty decent legal footing given the amount and tenor of coverage related to this issue. signed,Rosguill talk 18:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep It's a redirect WP:RNEUTRAL. Redirects are not indexed, we're not calling it a murder, there is no libel. We just redirect a likely search term (and it cannot be denied, a lot of people think of it as a murder) to the relevant article. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  14:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep it's a plausible redirect to a neutral, BLP-compliant, non-illegal article. ——  Serial # 17:40, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Fits the definition of a murder, Chauvin was charged with murder (so I would support renaming it altogether and I don't understand the controversy here), and it's a neutral redirect anyway. --Trougnouf (talk) 19:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Stronge Keep One of the officers was charged with murder and the search is already a most plausible search for the topic.--Maleschreiber (talk) 20:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep People see it as a murder, because it's a killing. If no one is convicted of murdering him, people will still call it a murder. — Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 22:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Good search term for a redirect, even if not currently accurate for the page. Redirects are allowed wider latitude on neutrality per the guideline WP:RNEUTRAL. Simply categorize with R from incorrect title—Bagumba (talk) 04:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Many people call it this right now, so it's best to keep this since people will search up this way. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 14:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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BeritaSatu Medan and O Channel Medan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * BeritaSatu Medan → BeritaSatu (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BeritaSatu_Medan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * O Channel Medan → O Channel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O_Channel_Medan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, because AFAIK BeritaSatu and O Channel currently do not have regional transmitters in Medan -ArdiPras95 (talk) 07:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Cf. Articles for deletion/BeritaSatu TV Medan.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ArdiPras95 (talk) 04:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral/I'm confused - I was notified of this discussion on my user talk page, but I'm a bit baffled as to why. I can't recall having had any interaction with either of these articles, and I can't find my name in their histories. I also find it a bit surprising that the nominator re-listed their own nomination, but maybe they know something I don't? -- N Y  Kevin   04:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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PK-35
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * PK-35 → PK-35 Vantaa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PK-35&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

proposed this redirect for deletion with the following rationale. Misleading redirect to PK-35 Vantaa, implying that any instance of “PK-35” is a specific reference to that club. “PK-35” is most commonly used when referring to the independent football club of that name based in Helsinki, whereas the name “PK-35 Vantaa” is most commonly used when referring to the independent football club based in Vantaa, Finland. Both clubs field teams in the Kansallinen Liiga and the common forms of their names can be seen in use here: https://www.palloliitto.fi/ottelut-ja-sarjat/kansallinen-liiga/kansallinen-liiga-info (in Finnish). signed,Rosguill talk 06:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. I've added a draft. We have no articles equivalent to fi:Pallokerho-35, fi:Pallokerho-35 (naiset), fi:PK-35 Vantaa (naiset) or fi:PK-35 Vantaa (miehet); so what Spitzmauskc says may be true, but we have no targets. Narky Blert (talk) 10:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dab per Narky Blert. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 10:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate as above. GiantSnowman 10:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate there's 3 topics at the moment on this wiki which it could refer to. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 10:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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COVID-02 epidemic
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * COVID-02 epidemic → 2002–2004 SARS outbreak (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-02_epidemic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This, this, and this.  Crazy Boy  826  03:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy as it is recently created and implausible. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:MADEUP. Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 16 (linked by nom) is exactly on point. Narky Blert (talk) 10:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Lettic Germans
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Lettic Germans → Baltic Germans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lettic_Germans&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As far as I can establish, the term "Lettic Germans" doesn't exist in English, so doesn't constitute a plausible search term Ingratis (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * the analogue is Estonian Germans, which is a redirect at the moment. Maybe both should be deleted. Compare eg Estonian diaspora in Germany (et:Saksamaa eestlased)--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - Apologies - I've not made myself clear. The problem I'm having is not with the concept, but specifically with the word "Lettic". If what is intended here is "ethnic Germans in Latvia", it needs to be "Latvian Germans" (or in theory "Lettonian Germans", or if you want to be really old-fashioned, "Lettish Germans"). "Lettic" is a really rare word and in practice seems to apply almost exclusively to linguistics (whatever Wiktionary may say). The reason why I don't see any point in it as a redirect is that it's so unlikely as a search term. Ingratis (talk) 11:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per Ingratis above. --Stay safe, ◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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