Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 31

May 31
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 31, 2020.

Donald Trumpi
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Donald Trumpi → List of things named after Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trumpi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure why this redirects as it makes no sense and could be a typo for Donald Trump  or a name in a different language 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Harmless. Three species listed on the page contain the term "donaldtrumpi". BD2412  T 23:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:06, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, rather tentatively – this could be a misspelling for Donald Trump but his article is linked prominently on the page anyhow. For readers unfamiliar with taxonomic nomenclature and knowing at least the basics around these species, this would be a helpful redirect. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 04:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. A hatnote on the target article would be useful. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 11:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Such a hatnote would look exceedingly stupid, especially given Trump's article is already prominently linked on the page in question. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 18:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Tantalus V. Observatory
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 8%23Tantalus V. Observatory

Hankison
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Irish flu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Irish flu → Hangover (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irish_flu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:NEOLOGISM, doesn't seem to be widely used in reliable sources, also found a few uses of this phrase to refer to the flu in Ireland. Hog Farm (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I think I've heard of it but it's not very common. Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary anyways. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, confusing because real flu also exists in Ireland and has nothing to do with hangovers. Not a very active user (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Fraternities and soronities in France
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * [[Category:Fraternities and soronities in France]] → Category:Fraternities and sororities in France (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fraternities_and_soronities_in_France&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Mispelled, unlikely to be searched. Naraht (talk) 20:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep In some typefaces, "ri" looks visually similar to "n", so I wouldn't say it's too implausible to occur in accidental transcriptions or by people visually impaired and/or unaware of the correct spelling. ComplexRational (talk) 14:50, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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Spanish music
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Paraontology
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Paraontology → Oskar Becker (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paraontology&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target or in any other article. Contemporary uses of "paraontology" (e.g., ) don't seem to draw on Becker's thought. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * How about ? It seems that "paraontologie" was a neologism in German coined by Becker. More a case of also needing paraontologie redirected? Anyway, no need to be deleting anything, rather than expanding the article. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If expanding the article is a possibility I'd certainly support it. Even better, I think, would be to create an article on Nahum Chandler, whose work seems to be at the centre of current uses of the term, and who presumably at least acknowledges Becker. But at the same time, it's an obscure term, and a redirect which currently provides the reader with no useful information, so I don't think deletion would be the end of the world. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Really, I don't see that it is harmful. A long discussion here would be more effort than just adding a sentence or two to the article. But it is a placeholder, and why is that a problem? Charles Matthews (talk) 11:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added a Paraontologie subsection to Oskar Becker, as some sort of fix. The Becker article clearly needs to be worked over and referenced, anyway. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That works for me. I'm happy to withdraw this if no one else objects. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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Beer shits
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Beer shits → Diarrhea (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beer_shits&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target article. Delete unless a justification can be proven. Ocelot Creeper ( ta lk ) 16:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. More Urban Dictionary-type WP:MADEUP rubbish. Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Aivo Lucioli
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Aivo Lucioli → Avio Lucioli (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aivo_Lucioli&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

very likely typo, although used here: Estopedist1 (talk) 15:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Three years ago I moved the page, because the name was clearly misspelled. In my opinion there is no reason to even have a redirect, it would be like Vaelntino Rossi { --Kasper2006 (talk) 16:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you were the creator of the article before it was moved, I'm tagging it per G7. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 18:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep; when a reader looks at the Sports Reference page for this athlete and searches him up here then they are very much helped by this redirect. See, K4, and K5. This is a plausible misspelling if a highly-used website has done it, thus I've removing the G7 tag. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 04:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Having read CSD G7, I'd really like to know what all the exceptions are for denying a G7 request. The second sentence clearly states "For redirects created as a result of a page move, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages before the move.", which this fits. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 14:18, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * CSD is only for the most unambiguous of scenarios. Given a reputable website has made this particular mistake, this is by no means an unambiguous scenario. From CSD: Administrators should take care not to speedily delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases. Also, please adhere to MOS:LISTGAP. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 18:52, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Uanmbiguously cerated in error. Narky Blert (talk) 14:39, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per nom. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * just contact this reputable website's system administrator to change this name in their database. And after that, the case in question can be closed--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sports Reference has a fair amount of these errors, which makes the redirects more justified than a regular misspelling, not less. A reader could easily search for one of these incorrect names and they will have no idea what is happening if it's a redlink. See Yasumasu Nishino, Shizuki Narahara, Keisuke Satsuke, Tsutomuko Mitsudome for other instances. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 04:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Xezbeth. Plausible misspelling, no need for deletion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Huron Elks
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Basin League. signed,Rosguill talk 22:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Huron Elks → Huron Phillies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Huron_Elks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Intercollegiate baseball team team pointing to an article about a professional team. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Basin League as there is a non-trivial content about this team there, that will unambiguously help the readers. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 04:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Deprecated sources
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Deprecated sources → Wikipedia:Deprecated sources (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deprecated_sources&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Recently created WP:XNR to project space. Izno (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as a XNR without a real other usage. Really should be eligible for CSD R2. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as taking the place of a potential article about deprecated sources IRL. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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list of members of the National Assembly (South Korea), 2016–present
<span id="list of members of the National Assembly (South Korea), 2016–present"> <span id="list of members of the National Assembly (South Korea), 2016-present"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 8%23list of members of the National Assembly (South Korea), 2016–present

Burlington Athletics
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Burlington Athletics → Northern League (baseball, 1902–71) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burlington_Athletics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Collegiate baseball team redirecting to a minor league baseball article that the team has no connection to. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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One Day
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="One Day (Dua Lipa, Bad Bunny and J Balvin song)">One Day (Dua Lipa, Bad Bunny and J Balvin song) → Dua Lipa discography (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_Day_(Dua_Lipa,_Bad_Bunny_and_J_Balvin_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Absolutely no mention of the song on its target article and a quick Goolge search leads to no results apart of speculative lyrics pages. No confirmation that this song exists. -- Lk95 06:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete song dosent exists. TheImaCow (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Goidelic
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Goidelic languages. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 19:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Goidelic → Old Irish (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goidelic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Goidelic languages. Old Irish is not the only Goidelic language. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 06:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Narky Blert (talk) 13:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No contest. - Gilgamesh (talk) 14:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 11:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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Ogt
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to OGT. (non-admin closure) feminist &#124; freedom isn't free 02:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Ogt → AGT II (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ogt&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The "Ogt" redirect page should be deleted. There is already an existing disambiguation page "OGT" that includes the "AGT II" page in addition to offering other suggestions, making it easier for people to access other pages with the search "ogt". Currently, "ogt" automatically redirects to the "AGT II" page and does not go to the disambiguation page. Scheng23 (talk) 06:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB page OGT, tagging as R from other capitalisation and R from ambiguous term. There are many precedents for this, e.g. is a redirect to DAB page IOT. Narky Blert (talk) 13:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable to me. Scheng23 (talk) 02:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to OGT per Narky, though there is an argument for WP:DIFFCAPS. Second choice keep as is. — &thinsp; J 947  [cont] 18:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete if the search engine would then direct the user right to the OGT disambiguation page. That page would also need an adjustment, since the redirect appears there. Redirecting would have the same effect, though, just an extra step invisible to the user.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 10:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to OGT seems to be the most reasonable solution for this. No need to delete. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Transvestigations
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Transvestigations → List of conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transvestigations&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Finding no evidence this is a term used commonly, most of what I'm turning up is on Pinterest, although it is used in a publication titled "Transvestigation In Hollywood (Illuminati Secrets Revealed, #2)", which also doesn't seem reliable. Hog Farm (talk) 04:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I've heard of this - it's a specific type of conspiracy theory that alleges that all celebrities and politicians are secretly transgender. However, it is not mentioned in the article and shouldn't be because no reliable sources have covered it, so delete. Spicy (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it is or was a YouTube channel too. It's one of the more stupid conspiracy theories anyways. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and probably Salt - It's not notable enough (it doesn't have much of any reliable sources and I believe it's some youtube channel too) and doesn't have any entry on the target page. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It was mentioned in the article, though without a source, at the time the redirect was created, but was subsequently removed. --Bsherr (talk) 16:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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300 MPG Carburetor Conspiracy
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Fuel saving device. signed,Rosguill talk 22:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * 300 MPG Carburetor Conspiracy → List of conspiracy theories (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=300_MPG_Carburetor_Conspiracy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target article, delete unless indication that this is important enough to be mentioned in the target article can be provided. Hog Farm (talk) 04:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Fuel saving device, where it's mentioned. Narky Blert (talk) 09:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Talking donkey
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate or listify in this case. As noted, the examples aren't really title-ambiguous, but a list of examples. Might survive as a list article. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Talking donkey → Donkey (Shrek) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talking_donkey&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous, there's also Balaam's donkey to consider. Delete, as no real dab targets. Hog Farm (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Kinda weak delete this thing, while it has had considerable pageviews since July 2015, it's ambiguous as to who it's referring to, and a Google search brings up results for Balaam's donkey (and two images of Donkey of Shrek fame). Oh, and by the way, I'm making waffles in the morning... Regards, SONIC  678  04:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous. My first thought was Balaam's donkey. Narky Blert (talk) 13:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There's also Puzzle in C. S. Lewis' The Last Battle. Narky Blert (talk) 13:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (And there's G. K. Chesterton's poem "The Donkey", which we don't seem to mention anywhere.) Narky Blert (talk) 13:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * On second (or even third) thoughts, perhaps disambiguate. I've added a draft. Narky Blert (talk) 17:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider those to be ambiguous terms. Rather, they appear to be examples of a class, all of which are or should be covered in Cultural references to donkeys. BD2412  T 23:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, but can't see an easy way of accommodating the idea in Cultural references to donkeys. Nonetheless, my draft DAB feels like disambiguation between examples of a concept rather than titles.
 * There's also "Der Kuckuck und der Esel" (a singing contest between a cuckoo and a donkey) and the folk song "Lob des hohen Verstandes" (, a singing competition between a cuckoo and a nightingale in which the cuckoo disingenuously proposed a donkey as arbiter). The latter poem was included by Achim and Brentano in their collection Des Knaben Wunderhorn, and was set to music by Gustav Mahler in his song collection also called Des Knaben Wunderhorn. Narky Blert (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete or maybe Disambiguate as ambiguous. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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