Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 16

November 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 16, 2020.

A Subaltern
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 25%23A Subaltern

HoganStand.ie
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 26%23HoganStand.ie

Bionicle stuff
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Bionicle stuff → Bionicle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bionicle_stuff&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search term. Dominicmgm (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:AFF. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Bionicle contests
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Bionicle contests → Bionicle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bionicle_contests&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Dominicmgm (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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Bionicle products (not building sets)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Bionicle products (not building sets) → Bionicle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bionicle_products_(not_building_sets)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search term. Dominicmgm (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyone who's using it is probably looking for List of Bionicle media, but I agree this is an unlikely search term. --BDD (talk) 22:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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China occupied Kashmir redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Kashmir. While the current target is certainly justifiable, there is undoubtedly a level of ambiguity around other areas administered by China. The overall page Kashmir has been a popular choice in previous RfDs when resolving some of these genuinely ambiguous terms, and the suggestion of Kashmir seems to be the section that has the most comprehensive mention of this particular subset, and which most participants seem to prefer. ~  mazca  talk 20:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * China occupied Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=China_occupied_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chinese administered Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_administered_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * China administered Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=China_administered_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chinese-controlled Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese-controlled_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chinese Occupied Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_Occupied_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chinese-occupied Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese-occupied_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Kashmir, China → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir,_China&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chinese Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chinese-administered Kashmir → Aksai Chin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese-administered_Kashmir&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Kashmir since Trans-Karakoram Tract is also administered by China. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 17:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, China-occupied Kashmir targets to Kashmir. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 09:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - Theoretically speaking, China has indeed occupied part of what we regard as "Kashmir" and what the CIA map shows as Kashmir. The problem is that China itself doesn't think it is Kashmir, but rather that it is part of Tibet or Xinjiang. But I don't think it matters. A redirect is defined to facilitate somebody searching for the term, and it is conceivable that somebody might want to know what part of "Kashmir" China had occupied. The correct target section for all of these terms is Kashmir. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The blue link is a section of my proposed target, Kashmir. And I think it is better to retarget these redirects to Kashmir. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget all of them to Kashmir as it is consistent with Indian administered Kashmir and Pakistan administered Kashmir. The target section explains the various competing claims and provides a much better understanding of the situation.--DreamLinker (talk) 12:16, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep, as the area is currently administered by China. Félix An (talk) 19:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Trans-Karakoram Tract is also administered by China, which was part of Gilgit-Baltistan administered by Pakistan. Please think twice before !voting for keep. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:13, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And Gilgit-Baltistan is still internationally (including under current enwiki consensus) considered part of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, so I don't see your point. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 04:53, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Er, sorry, my apologies: it's late night here, so I didn't realise that you were pointing out that there is more to China-administered Kashmir than just Aksai Chin. Self-trout :-) M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 04:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to disambiguation page that says something like "Chinese administered Kashmir may refer to Aksai Chin or Trans-Karakoram Tract.VR talk</b> 18:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Kashmir per DreamLinker. --BDD (talk) 16:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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Fraternity ring
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 28%23Fraternity ring

Fraternity paddle
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 28%23Fraternity paddle

Jesus Cristo
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:11, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Jesus Cristo → Jesus (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesus_Cristo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jesús Cristo">Jesús Cristo → Jesus (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jes%C3%BAs_Cristo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Hispano-Portuguese WP:FORRED. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Note nominations with identical rationales combined. Thryduulf (talk) 13:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep at least as it is commonly used in areas of the United States where Spanish is heavily used to refer to the listed target.  Even people who do not speak Spanish recognize its meaning. Only reason not to keep as-is is if it has a clear target OTHER than Jesus or multiple equally-likely targets in other parts of the English-speaking world. This looks like it falls under "Examples of redirects that may have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis" in WP:FORRED. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  17:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Gesù
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 * The result of the discussion was move  Gesu (disambiguation) over redirect due to the ambiguity and lack of primary topic. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:08, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gesù">Gesù → Jesus (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ges%C3%B9&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:FORRED? Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 10:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment this was created as a redirect to Gesù Nuovo by Charles Matthews. It was retargetted, without comment, to Church of the Gesù by Neelix. In 2016 it was retargetted to the present target, this time by Lucas citing "common use". Thryduulf (talk) 12:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Gesu (disambiguation) or Church of Gesù to match Gesu. It does get use in English but not really as far as I can tell with the plain meaning "Jesus" as much as for churches. Thryduulf (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, this should be used for disambiguation. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Gesu (disambiguation) and tag as R from diacritics and R ambig. Narky Blert (talk) 19:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Church of the Gesù (not the disambiguation page) since that's where Gesu targets. It's illogical to have Gesu targeting an article with "Gesù" in the title, but Gesù targeting an article with "Gesu". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:39, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * This really depends on whether Gesù on its own is synonymous with Church of the Gesù as primary topic. But probably not if it's anything like Jesu which is a disambiguation. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, move Gesu (disambiguation) to Gesu and retarget Gesù there, but they must be consistent. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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No personal attacks
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to No personal attacks. Unlike in the last discussion, there does not exist consensus to delete and some appetite for an XNR to the appropriate project page. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * No personal attacks → wiktionary:Special:Search/no personal attacks (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No_personal_attacks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was speedily deleted, but Deletion review/Log/2020 October 29 decided to refer it to RfD instead. This is a procedural nomination, I am neutral.  Sandstein  08:51, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as a soft redirect to project space, which seems appropriate (it is not a redirect to wikt). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The current target is a soft redirect, which suggests that anyone reading it clicks on the link to WP:No personal attacks. That strikes me as a better target. Narky Blert (talk) 14:32, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:NPA (well, WP:No personal attacks, but you get the gist). ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 23:17, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hard redirect to WP:No personal attacks. Although I know it's cross-namespace, there doesn't seem to be any other reasonable destination or a real-world subject. I also feel as though the fact that it's so fundamental and central to Wikipedia, that it's worth being cross-namespace. Also having a look at the inwards links, it seems pretty obvious that it's a simple error for talk pages trying to link to WP:NPA. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 07:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey, what's going on here? This currently points to No personal attacks, and as far as I can tell, has never been a Wiktionary redirect. Also, this page has been deleted multiple times, and it looks like all the revisions were restored instead of just the 2020 ones. - Eureka Lott 00:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea what's going on with this page. I'm just implementing what the DRV wants.  Sandstein   21:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Restoring all the history enables people to see ... the history. Which informs debate.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough  14:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC).

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to No personal attacks, as this project page seems to be a better target.  Seventyfiveyears (talk) 01:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment as Shhhnotsoloud said, I'd like to confirm that this page is not a redirect to Wiktionary; the template used to redirect to project space is a fork of the one used to redirect to Wiktionary, which may have caused confusion. JJP...MASTER!...MASTER!!! master of puppets, i'm pulling your strings (0-3-5)[talk about or to] JJP... master? master? where's the dreams that i've been after (0-3-6-5) 14:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Further to my !vote for a soft redirect above, and the following !votes by other editors for a retarget, I should say that I do object to a straightforward retarget, which would be an unnecessary and undesirable cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:35, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We should probably decide what to do with policy/guideline XNRs. I think that they are in general useful but they might be WP:COSTLY. A compromise would be to redirect them to an article about Wikipedia such as Articles for deletion should probably redirect to Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia (since its discussed there) and on a related note we do have the likes of Biographies of living persons redirecting to Biography and Village pump redirecting to Well. "No personal attacks" only returns 3 other articles (other than the current redirect) one of which being Common Knowledge? where it is a reference to Wikipedia so this could redirect there until/if something is added to a more specific Wikipedia related article.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete may have had some purpose in 2004-2008, I agree with 2016 RFD's outcome of "delete" and its rationale. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  18:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
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White car
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * White car → Ambulance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_car&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * White Car → Ambulance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_Car&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Hmm, don't these just refer to cars that are white? TheAwesome Hwyh  21:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Would it make sense to redirect to car colour popularity? Though it would seem that many other pages of the form "color car" or "colorcar" are either films (blue, grey) or other transit (red, yellow, green) articles. Definitely seems odd to have point to ambulance especially since the lead image is chartreuse colored. Chris857 (talk) 01:28, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak disambiguate White Car (drafted below the redirect) for the WP:DABMENTIONed songs and such by that name. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate using the IP's draft. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dismabig per the IP. Thryduulf (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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El viaje de Chihiro
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * El viaje de Chihiro → Spirited Away (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El_viaje_de_Chihiro&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This appears to be the Spanish language name for this film. I don't really see the connection between this film and the Spanish language. I believe this redirect should be deleted per WP:RFFL. TheAwesome Hwyh  21:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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Musa Cliffortiana
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  Thryduulf (talk) 00:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Musa Cliffortiana → George Clifford III (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musa_Cliffortiana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Mentioned as See also at the target, which has a link to a deWiki article. Delete per WP:R #10. signed,Rosguill talk 18:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. It is mentioned at Carl Linnaeus bibliography (under what looks like a different spelling), if we have to redirect it somewhere that would be better.  Hut 8.5  18:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I corrected Musa Cliffortiania (with "ia" at the end) at Carl Linnaeus bibliography, which judging by and the image there, is a misspelling. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:36, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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LOL JK
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 24%23LOL JK

Halaman Utama
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  as a repost.  Hut 8.5  18:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Halaman Utama → Main Page (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Halaman_Utama&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure what was being attempted here. Not mentioned on Main Page.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 16:19, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as db-repost per Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 6 (this is Indonesian for "main page"; see on Wiktionary). Note that the creator has been blocked for sockpuppetry (though not until after creating this redirect, so it's ineligible for db-g5). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 16:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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TiJe
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 25

Tkp.me
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 24%23Tkp.me

User:Stevage/rdtest
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn.  Not sure why I thought deleting this would accomplish anything. (non-admin closure) Hog Farm Bacon 19:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="User:Stevage/rdtest">User:Stevage/rdtest → Inhalant (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Stevage/rdtest&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Appears to be an old userspace test, discouraged per WP:XNR. Hog Farm Bacon 16:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep harmless, and old. Can't see the rationale for deleting this at XNR. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  14:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC).


 * Keep redirects out of userspace a harmless and not mentioned at all at WP:XNR (which is about redirects from article space to userspace). As with all userpages we should not be deleting them unless there is a specific problem with them or the owner of the userspace requests it, and neither are true here. Thryduulf (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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Temple of Victoria
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 24%23Temple of Victoria

Dr. Excel
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Dr. Excel → Gerard Verschuuren (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dr._Excel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Orphan redirect with no apparent connection to the target article. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 13:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This redirect may cause confusion. There are plenty of uses of "Dr Excel" revealed by Google but I can't find a direct connection to Dr Verschuuren. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:51, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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IPhone (sixth generation)
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  because it was opened by a sock. I'm reverting some vandalism which changed it from its correct target. The iPhone 5 is the only sixth generation iPhone, so it is not ambiguous. It seems Thryduulf and Rich picked up on that bit of incorrect information from the nominator which influenced their !votes. If this still needs to be discussed, any editor in good standing may renominate. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="IPhone (sixth generation)">IPhone (sixth generation) → IPhone 6 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPhone_(sixth_generation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous as the iPhone 5 is the sixth-generation iPhone, and there is no iPhone (fifth generation), iPhone (seventh generation), etc. Although redirect has gained quite significant pageviews, so maybe retarget/disambiguate instead of deleting. The Incognito Guy (Browsing privately) 06:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * retarget to List of iOS and iPadOS devices where the reader will find a link to whichever model they are interested in. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * RT per T All the best: Rich Farmbrough  14:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC).


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IPhone X Edition
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  . Nom is a blocked sock. (Block reason includes spurious RfD.) (non-admin closure) —  HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:12, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * IPhone X Edition → IPhone X (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPhone_X_Edition&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This apparently refers to a custom iPhone X by Caviar (which itself doesn't have its own article), and a Google search brings up only one result of the actual phone. Plus the target doesn't mention it, and it has only 3 pageviews in its history (one by me). The Incognito Guy (Browsing privately) 06:23, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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IPhone Five
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure)  — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * IPhone Five → IPhone 5 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPhone_Five&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No source refers to the device as the iPhone Five, and there isn't an iPhone Six, iPhone Four, etc. It also only has 1 page view in its history, which was from it's creator. The Incognito Guy (Browsing privately) 06:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It's logical, unambiguous, harmless, and not misleading. Hog Farm Bacon 12:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Hog Farm. Though it may seem like search bar clutter, it isn't really in the way of anything (as is pretty much the case with a lot of other redirects like this, such as Toy Story Two). Regards, SONIC  678  22:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Huh? I count 85 views. Schierbecker (talk) 04:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone above. While it only got 1 hit in the month preceding this nomination it got 51 hits last year so it's clearly being used. Thryduulf (talk) 14:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination per above. The Incognito Guy (Browsing privately) 03:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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越南社會主義共和國
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  although I agree with Rich Farmbrough that bringing this to RfD was probably unnecessary. signed,Rosguill talk 21:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="越南社會主義共和國">越南社會主義共和國 → Vietnam (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%B6%8A%E5%8D%97%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9C%8B&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

越南社會主義共和國 is Chinese instead of Vietnamese (Cộng hòa Xã hội chủ nghĩa Việt Nam, 共和社會主義越南). Konno  Yumeto  09:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep – Vietnam and China has a very long history of relationship, similar to Sino–Korea or Sino–Japan relations. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nominator and WP:RLOTE. I don't feel that the two countries having a long relationship is the right thing to focus on; rather, the main concern here is whether it's a likely search term for English Wikipedia users (debatable at best), and whether there's anything encyclopedic as opposed to WP:DICDEF to say about the full name of the country in Chinese that we could expand some article like Names of Vietnam to discuss this term (there really isn't; its just the proper name followed by the two standard dictionary words "socialist" and "republic"). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 16:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDELETE point 8, we shouldn't generally have redirects in foreign language terms which don't exist in English unless the subject relates to that language or some culture which speaks that language. Although there are minority groups in Vietnam who speak Chinese it's not a major language within the country or any part of the country.  Hut 8.5  18:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * RDELETE says " should generally not be created" rather than "should be deleted". This is for a reason, the cost of deletion is many times the cost of not deleting. The benefit of deleting is so slight as to be a phantasm. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  14:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC).


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Saturday Night Live parodies of Joe Biden
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . However, the draft looks ready for prime time to me, so I'll move it over as an editorial decision. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 04:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Saturday Night Live parodies of Joe Biden → Saturday Night Live (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saturday_Night_Live_parodies_of_Joe_Biden&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed at the target, delete unless a duly sourced mention is added. signed,Rosguill talk 18:35, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Despite having articles for sketches parodying Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and Sarah Palin we don't have any equivalent content about Joe Biden I have found. Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Considering all the news on Jim Carrey's portrayal of the candidate, the history of Biden on SNL, and along with the fact that Biden is the newly elected president of the United States, I would say that the redirect is useful at the moment. I've been thinking about creating the page from the redirect for some time, and now that Biden is going to become the 46th POTUS, I think I'm ready to start the draft. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: A draft for the redirect can now be found at Draft:Saturday Night Live parodies of Joe Biden. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete would make sense if the target article actually discussed the subject of the redirect, but it doesn't.  Hut 8.5  18:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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Walche Cut, Kentucky
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Walche Cut, Kentucky">Walche Cut, Kentucky → Menard Limestone (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walche_Cut,_Kentucky&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. The redirect is about a railroad cut in Kentucky, while the target claims to be a geological formation in Indiana. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC) Meh I put it up as an editorial decision so the outcome of the afd has no weight here. Spartaz Humbug! 18:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Speedy procedural keep this redirect exists because of the consensus at Articles for deletion/Walche Cut, Kentucky which was closed today. If you disagree with the result of the AfD then you need to start by speaking to Spartaz who closed it. Thryduulf (talk) 18:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. This is a confusing redirect due to the lack of mention. I don't see consensus for the redirect at AfD, so there is nothing wrong with a specific discussion concerning the redirect. It was suggested by so pinging in case they have something to add to the article and/or discussion. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * If more people at the AfD had read Paul H.'s Comment it would be clear why this has been made into a redirect, and the implementer of the close would have included the relevant information in the target.  So:


 * Keep All the best: Rich Farmbrough  15:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC).


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