Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 27

October 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 27, 2020.

More redirects with stray ""
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . wbm1058 (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Mataco-Guaicuru languages → Mataco–Guaicuru languages (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mataco-Guaicuru_languages_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Hindustani grammar → Hindustani grammar (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindustani_grammar_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Hindustani phonology → Hindustani phonology (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindustani_phonology_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Central !Xung → Central !Kung (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Central_!Xung_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Mising people → Mising people (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mising_people_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Juǀʼhoan language → Juǀʼhoan language (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ju%C7%80%CA%BChoan_language_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Khowar people → Kho people (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khowar_people_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bidasoa River → Bidasoa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bidasoa_River_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bzyb River → Bzyb River (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bzyb_River_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are all artefacts of a bizarre technique for moving articles. All of these have been the title of the article for between hours and one day (except for Bzyb River, which was there for two days back in 2016). Implausible as search terms, no meaningful chance of incoming links. – Uanfala (talk) 23:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Useless and implausible search terms. CycloneYoris talk! 01:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Nice job digging these up. - Eureka Lott 02:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB (newly expanded to include such cases). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per everyone above me. We don't need all this junk with empty disambiguators, especially if it isn't written that way in the target. Are there any more such redirects like this? Regards, SONIC  678  02:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Devoke water   (talk)  10:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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Transformational ministry
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Thryduulf (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Transformational ministry → Ex-gay movement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transformational_ministry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A Google search for this phrase suggests it is commonly used for Christian ministry focusing on whole life transformations, this seems to be too narrow of a target. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 00:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Devoke water   (talk)  16:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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Michi Saagiig Anishinaabe
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 * The result of the discussion was No consensus/retarget. There is no consensus here but equally no support for the status quo, and as two relists have failed to attract more input it seems unlikely a third relist would be fruitful. Accordingly I'm closing this as no-consensus but retargetting as the softer option.  Thryduulf (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Michi Saagiig Anishinaabe → Curve Lake First Nation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michi_Saagiig_Anishinaabe&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Michi Saagiig Anishinaabeg → Curve Lake First Nation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michi_Saagiig_Anishinaabeg&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target or the about page of the subject's own website. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 18:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment appears to be an alternative spelling of the Anishinaabe language name for the Mississaugas (i.e. the whole group, not just this one band). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 00:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mississaugas. Google searches of these phrases with -wikipedia show some legitimate usage. I think they're mostly referring to the Curve Lake First Nation, but I agree that this seems to be a rendering of "Mississauga Anishinaabe", and if in doubt, it's better to point to the broader topic. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Garage days revisited
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 * The result of the discussion was '''no consensus  . Thryduulf (talk) 16:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Garage days revisited → The $5.98 E.P. - Garage Days Re-Revisited (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garage_days_revisited&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The term "Garage Days Revisited" more correctly refers to the B-sides of the Creeping Death single. This is referenced in the article for the current redirect target: The $5.98 E.P. - Garage Days Re-Revisited. A source would be the website of the Riot Fest punk rock festival: https://riotfest.org/2018/04/revisiting-garage-days/. I believe that the redirect should be retargeted to the Creeping Death page. JJPMaster (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as the EP is more notable than the origin of the name which is by Metallica anyway. The EP/album should explain the origin of the name though if it hasn't already. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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Xiao Ding Dang
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 4%23Xiao Ding Dang

Baltimore accent
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . wbm1058 (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Baltimore accent ">Baltimore accent → Baltimore accent (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baltimore_accent_&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Empty disambiguator. No incoming mainspace links; page views have been minimal. Delete. Note: this is a r from move, but the article was only at this title for less than a day in 2013. - Eureka Lott 20:23, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Devoke water   (talk)  20:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as an artefact of a bizarre process for moving articles. – Uanfala (talk) 23:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Torching paper
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete.  Per author request below.  Hut 8.5  20:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Torching paper → Toilet paper (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Torching_paper&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. This is not mentioned on the target article or anywhere else on Wikipedia (or Wiktionary). The exact phrase does get google hits, but almost all are in the sense of setting light to paper, non-English contexts or derived from this redirect, the rest have various other uses and that don't seem to be meaning toilet paper as far as I can tell. Thryduulf (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete I'm not sure what 2009 me was thinking. I think this is a direct translation of the French slang term. Feel free to CSD this, if the option is available. Acebulf  (talk &#124; contribs)  20:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Fuck-you-money
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Thryduulf (talk) 16:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Fuck-you-money → Financial independence (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuck-you-money&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:46, 10 October 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as something close to a r from synonym. See . - Eureka Lott 22:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * R from related topic, you mean? I'm not sure how helpful this is without anything describing this at the target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment: there is one extant link in an article, which was added after the redirect was created. I'd be inclined to replace it there with a self-explanatory phrase. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I'm inclined to agree with 1234qwer. Perhaps we could create Fuck-you money to redirect to fuck-you money if someone really sees the utility of a redirect of this type. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep although it isn't mentioned at the target, this is a synonym for financial independence (or rather the amount of money which makes someone financially independent), so the redirect makes sense. There isn't any requirement that a redirect has to be mentioned at the target article, as long as it's a plausible search term, and this definitely is.  Hut 8.5  20:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * keep per Hut 8.5. Hobit (talk) 22:27, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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Paradife loft.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Paradife loft. → Paradise Lost (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paradife_loft.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible with a full stop. We already have Paradife loft without full stop. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 18:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Per nom --intelatitalk 20:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The cover for the original edition, as shown in the article, read "Paradiſe Loſt." –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete, and I'm also about to RFD the other one, which seems clearly to be a joke. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 00:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For a quick link, you can find it at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 28. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete since the version without a full stop exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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Burn It All
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 5%23Burn It All

Environmental causes
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 5%23Environmental causes

Thames foot tunnel
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Thames foot tunnel (disambiguation)  . Per WP:MALPLACED, redirecting to an existing disambiguation page is unnaceptable, so I'm going to swap the DAB page with "Thames foot tunnel" to make it avoidable. (non-admin closure) Seventyfiveyears (talk) 13:46, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thames foot tunnel → Thames Tunnel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thames_foot_tunnel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Thames Tunnel is not a foot tunnel anymore, so make sense to retarget to Tunnels underneath the River Thames, which clearly states which tunnels are foot tunnels <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget. While I think this is a former name of the target, the Woolwich foot tunnel and especially Greenwich foot tunnel (the latter is close to primary) are by far the most common tunnels referred to by this name these days. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC) [comment moved from under the wrong header to here Thryduulf (talk) 23:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)]
 * Dabify. We can do better that redirecting to a long list article. I have created Thames foot tunnel (disambiguation). <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 23:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Thames foot tunnel (disambiguation) -- Devoke water   (talk)  20:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Redirect to Thames foot tunnel (disambiguation) Thincat (talk) 18:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Thames foot tunnel (disambiguation), and then WP:ROBIN swap them per WP:MALPLACED. Narky Blert (talk) 17:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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Veil of Aphrodite
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 20:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Veil of Aphrodite → Vattikuti Urology Institute (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veil_of_Aphrodite&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Article no longer mentions the term; target article history suggests that its inclusion was promotional, and thus likely won't be reintroduced. Vahurzpu (talk) 15:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete It appears that the term "Veil of Aphrodite" was coined by Mani Menon of the Vattikuti Urology Institute, but I admit a redirect to any article without mentioning the term (the meaning of which is not obvious) is confusing if the article says nothing about it. If Enwiki has nothing, it's better to have no redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ideally we should have some content relating to this, but all I've found is a mention at Anthony J. Costello, but I don't think that's enough to anchor a redirect. I'm hesitant to say per WP:REDLINK as I don't think there is scope for an article here, but that's the spirit my recommendation is made in. Thryduulf (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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Baltimoron
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . wbm1058 (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Baltimoron → Baltimore accent (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baltimoron&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Known derogatory term for someone from Baltimore with no mention in the target whatsoever. Jalen Folf  (talk)  02:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Completely unnecessary, this wouldn't be the right article for it anyway BlackholeWA (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to be more commonly used as a (derogatory) term for someone from Baltimore, rather than someone with a Baltimore accent. We don't have a suitable target for that.  Hut 8.5  20:45, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Devoke water   (talk)  20:48, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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