Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 2

September 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 2, 2020.

Giant Enemy Crab
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Genji: Days of the Blade. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 23:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Giant Enemy Crab → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giant_Enemy_Crab&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Giant enemy crab → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giant_enemy_crab&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirects and the target unclear. Also, Giant Enemy Crab is a R with history that was apparently WP:BLANKANDREDIRECTed in 2012. Steel1943 (talk) 21:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Why not redirect to Genji: Days of the Blade, which has a section about the meme that it apparently started. – Uanfala (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Eh, either that, or restore the content at the section which these redirects currently point. For example, when I see this phrase, I think of an enemy named "Crawmerax" in the Borderlands DLC The Secret Armory of General Knoxx (though it's currently not mentioned there.) Steel1943  (talk) 21:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Genji: Days of the Blade.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:29, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Genji: Days of the Blade per Zxcvbnm BlackholeWA (talk) 14:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Neo FIlms
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 10%23Neo FIlms

IRIN
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Irin. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 23:18, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * IRIN → The New Humanitarian (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRIN&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

IRIN is ambiguous with 4 entries at disambiguation page Irin, 2 of which are capitalised. It is possible but difficult to prove that The New Humanitarian is the primary topic for "IRIN" but retargeting to the disambiguation page may be better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I support a disambiguation page, on the grounds that IRIN is a longstanding abbreviation for the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy since 1979, and was used extensively to refer to the The New Humanitarian from 1995 to 2019. Pahlevun (talk) 18:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to DAB page Irin, tagged as R from other capitalisation plus R from ambiguous term. There are many precedents, e.g. and  which I happened to come across earlier today. Narky Blert (talk) 18:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment It appears that the dab page Irin was just created today, changing a long standing redirect from Irin -> Watcher (angel). Is the Aramaic term the primary topic for irin? I am neutral on the IRIN to Irin dab page redirect. Natg 19 (talk) 01:28, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, created by me. With 4 uses of various capitalisations of "irin" it seems to me very unlikely that Watcher is the primary topic, which is why I created a disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
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Draft:Untitled Harley Quinn project
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . If there were any future untitled projects that could fit these descriptions, I suspect we'd quickly get consensus (if these titles weren't just BOLDly usurped). --BDD (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:Untitled Harley Quinn project → Draft:Gotham City Sirens (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Harley_Quinn_project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Beauty and the Beast series → Draft:The Little Town (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Beauty_and_the_Beast_series&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Beauty and the Beast spinoff → Draft:The Little Town (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Beauty_and_the_Beast_spinoff&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Suicide Squad spinoff film → Draft:Gotham City Sirens (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Suicide_Squad_spinoff_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Ridley Scott/Lady Gaga Gucci murder film → Draft:Gucci (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Ridley_Scott/Lady_Gaga_Gucci_murder_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Batgirl film → Draft:Batgirl (upcoming film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Batgirl_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Borderlands film → Draft:Borderlands (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Borderlands_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Kingsman third film → Draft:Kingsman 3 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Kingsman_third_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled The Simpsons Movie sequel → Draft:The Simpsons Movie 2 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_The_Simpsons_Movie_sequel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Draft:Untitled Metal Gear film → Draft:Metal Gear Solid (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Metal_Gear_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Draft:Untitled Metal Gear Solid film → Draft:Metal Gear Solid (film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Untitled_Metal_Gear_Solid_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete just like in the mainspace, once films/albums/other created works get a title, any redirect with "Untitled" is misleading and should be deleted. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. Rusted AutoParts  20:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all since they are all redirects which target pages in the "Draft:" namespace, the "Draft:" namespace is set up to not be indexed by third party search engines (should not show up in their search results), the "Draft:" namespace is not intended to be used as a search mechanism for "live" pages, and these redirects could potentially prevent duplicate articles and/or drafts being created at these titles since 1) they redirect to the most applicable draft and 2) it gives editors a warning box if they try to create articles with title matches of pages in the "Draft:" namespace. Steel1943  (talk) 20:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete alll Redirects are costly and not what the draft namespace is for. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Steel1943. Redirects within draft space are probably the very opposite of costly. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Would your argument to keep change once the draft was "promoted" to article space and the redirect is no longer within draftspace? (See Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 26). UnitedStatesian (talk) 11:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a link to this discussion, but in general terms my answer would depend on the timing of the move, whether there was any merging of drafts, whether the creator was aware of the new title and whether it was plausible the title would be useful for a draft about a different topic in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Tied
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . Thanks to Uanfala for drafting it! --BDD (talk) 22:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Tied → Tide (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tied&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Tied may be a possible typo for tide, but is probably more likely an intentional search term for the past tense of tie. The current redirect is WP:ASTONISHing, and should be avoided. Suggest either re-targeting to Tie, or deleting. Paul_012 (talk) 19:57, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or retarget to Tie (draw). "Tied" is not a reasonable search term for any of the uses listed on the extensive disambiguation page except, possibly, Tie (draw) so if it is retargetted anywhere it should be there. However I disagree that the current target is more or less astonishing than any other typo or homonym, especially as we regularly redirect those but don't regularly redirect other verb forms. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keeping is definitely out: misspellings can't take precedence over correct forms. The other target noted by Thryduulf is definitely plausible, but there are other targets as well, and I can't see a primary topic even if I squint. Disambiguating looks viable, but it will be tricky to do with the NOTDIC and PTM issues. Articles like Tied house, Tied cottage, Tied aid should probably be included: they look like partial title matches, but in each of those three cases you can discern a specific meaning of "tied" that's not exclusive to these particular phrases: you can also talk for example of a pub, a contract, or a loan being tied. – Uanfala (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. This redirect is too ambiguous. There are a lot of titles containing "Tied". Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Simply having a lot of titles containing the word is not enough for disambiguation, there would have to multiple titles that are actually fully known as "Tied". See WP:PTM for more details. Which articles did you want to include in your proposed disambiguation? -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:19, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Tie (draw) which looks to be the primary topic to me. I agree with Uanfala that you may be able to stretch together a disambiguation if you squint (eg Tie (music): you can say that two notes are tied, but I can't imagine someone searching for that using "Tied"). I think a hatnote to Tie (disambiguation) would take care of that. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to add, I don't think Tie (draw) is any more eligible as a target than other articles, like Tied aid. If anything, it's an everyday word in this case and so probably a lot less likely to be sought by readers of an encyclopedia. – Uanfala (talk) 23:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tie as a disambiguation. -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 21:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is ambiguous and any redirect to any target may cause confusion (especially the current target). Let Search do its job uninhibited. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB page Tie as R from ambiguous term. Knots are tied. Narky Blert (talk) 09:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tie dab page, add it to the Wiktionary link on that page, and add a couple of "See also" links to "look from" and "in title" for "Tied". Too many uses - tied cottage (home linked to job), tied house (pub committed to brewery), knots, etc as well as sports. If anyone feels strongly about the typo for "tide", add that as another "see also". Pam  D  10:53, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've drafted a dab page below the redirect: if the term is to be disambiguated at all, then it definitely should be at its own title. Redirecting to Tie is out of the question because the overlap between the two terms is infinitesimal: only three, maximum four, of the 36 entries at Tie are relevant for "tied", and many of the meanings of "tied" are not relevant for "tie". I don't have very strong objections to deletion, but a separate page is probably the most helpful solution; retargeting anywhere else (except maybe Wiktionary) will be as good as useless for our readers. – Uanfala (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate as set out by : thanks for your work. Perhaps add a gloss "... is the past tense of the verb to tie"? We may need to WP:IAR slightly for this set of PTMs, but it looks the solution which will be the most helpful to the most readers. I've removed a duplicate entry and added the "in title" and "look from" searches. Pam  D  18:21, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per multiple editors above, seems to be the best solution for this. A draft has already been created below the redirect anyway. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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Bangkok International Airport
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Bangkok International Airport → Suvarnabhumi Airport (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangkok_International_Airport&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bangkok Airport → Suvarnabhumi Airport (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangkok_Airport&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was a disambiguation page until 2015 when User:ZJOEY redirected the page to Suvarnabhumi Airport. While Suvarnabhumi inherited the IATA code BKK from Don Mueang International Airport in 2006, it has never been officially referred to as "Bangkok International Airport", which was Don Mueang Airport's official name up until then. (Before being officially named, Suvarnabhumi was referred to as "New Bangkok International Airport".) Both are currently international airports serving Bangkok. I suggest the disambiguation page be restored. Paul_012 (talk) 18:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Restore dab per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 20:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Bangkok which summarizes nicely the situation in context and has prominent links to both airports. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment adding, which should be consistent. (Not adding all the BKK/bkk redirects.) A separate dab page has the advantage that links to it show up in WP:DPL. Or maybe it's a disadvantage, since "Bangkok International Airport" was actually a correct historical name of one of the airports in question and just a WP:PTM for the other. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:00, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep because Suvarnabhumi Airport is the primary topic for both terms (being the principal airport for Bangkok), and there is an adequate explanatory hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Restore dab. The handful of incoming wikilinks shows usages for both airports (and one usage that's indeterminate to me), and the older airport is a valid target despite the newer one. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Restore DAB. WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs tend to collect bad links, and JHJ's research has shown that this one indeed does. Narky Blert (talk) 09:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per nom. While neither of Bangkok's two operating international airports is officially named "Bangkok [International] Airport", readers will be looking for something at that title, and it's possible (though not very likely) that old articles, histories, and mirrors host ambiguous links originally intended for the old official title for Don Mueang. Disambiguation is the best way to handle these, and hopefully prevent creation of new ambiguous links. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Giant enemy crap
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Giant enemy crap → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giant_enemy_crap&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While there is content about Giant enemy crab on enwiki, I'm not convinced "giant enemy crap" is a plausible search term for that meme. Hog Farm Bacon 15:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "...there is content about Giant enemy crab on enwiki..." There is? If so, I couldn't find it, so I nominated it and Giant Enemy Crab for RfD. Steel1943  (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete; implausible. --Paul_012 (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Soysauce-Warrior Kikkoman
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted  by  per G8. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Soysauce-Warrior Kikkoman → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soysauce-Warrior_Kikkoman&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and is old unencyclopedic content from 2004. FWIW, an article on this subject was deleted on the Japanese wikipedia in 2013. Hog Farm Bacon 15:06, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Articles for deletion/Soy Sauce Warrior Kikkoman. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per good spot. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedily delete as G8. Another case of the double-redirect bots messing things up. --Paul_012 (talk) 22:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Man sauce
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Man sauce → Semen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Man_sauce&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Looks like an obscure or novel synonym of the target, which is one of the WP:RFD reasons for deletion. A Google search, at least on my device, is mostly bringing up various BBQ and hot sauces claiming to be "for real men", as well as a bizarre internet challenge involving soy sauce and testicles. Hog Farm Bacon 15:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, we are not Urban Dictionary. Also, it's kinda ambiguous given the nom's info about the Google search. Regards, SONIC  678  00:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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Descriptive theory
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 17:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

The redirect is not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 04:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Descriptive theory → Explanation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Descriptive_theory&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

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Orland Albert Wolfram
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Donald Justin Wolfram. signed,Rosguill talk 17:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Orland Albert Wolfram → Pillar of Fire International (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orland_Albert_Wolfram&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Orland A. Wolfram → Pillar of Fire International (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orland_A._Wolfram&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Orland A. Wolfram was delinked in Donald Justin Wolfram with edit summary "removed invalid link", and there is no clear reason why these redirects should exist. Pam D  22:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Seventyfiveyears (talk) 14:49, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Donald Justin Wolfram as R from relative, since he is mentioned there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:41, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:BADWORDS
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Offensive material. signed,Rosguill talk 17:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * BADWORDS → Wikipedia:No legal threats (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BADWORDS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seem like a completely logical redirect. It's old (2008), but only has one link, and it's an old user talk archive that's basically an announcement this redirect has been created. WP:CUSS links to Offensive material, WP:SWEARWORDS links to Civility, and WP:SWEARING links to What_Wikipedia_is_not. I guess this redirect could point to any of those, but the no legal threats target seems to have, by far, the weakest connection to "bad words", which usually means profanity. Hog Farm Bacon 14:04, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Offensive material. That matches WP:CUSS, WP:PROFANITY, WP:F***, and various other redirects. It also has a hatnote note pointing to Civility and a link to What_Wikipedia_is_not in the first line. Thryduulf (talk) 15:06, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. "Wikipedia:Offensive material" is where profanity is mentioned. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Offensive material per Thryduulf and Seventyfiveyears. Chompy Ace 01:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Given the date I suspect I created it in response to a comment on WP:ANI. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I would be fine with the proposed retarget but that's still pretty ambiguous, and this is an old one-off shortcut that nobody has used in 12 years. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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AmaNdebele
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 9%23AmaNdebele

Orbital maneuvering system
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Orbital maneuver. signed,Rosguill talk 17:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Orbital maneuvering system → Space Shuttle Orbital Maneuvering System (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orbital_maneuvering_system&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Since articles like spaceflight used this wording to refer to any orbital maneuvering systems in general, this redirect should be retargeted to orbital maneuver and hatnote the target. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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User:Jimbo
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . I see strong arguments on both sides, and little reason to think a relisting would change things. I suspect Jimbo Wales himself expressing an opinion would tip the scales, but he hasn't been active in a bit. --BDD (talk) 16:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I do not understand why this page redirects to that user page. Also, I feel like if anyone made an account using this username, they would not expect this redirect. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 12:27, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Jimbo → User:Jimbo Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jimbo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * User talk:Jimbo → User talk:Jimbo Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Comment: Also check User talk:Jimbo → User talk:Jimbo Wales - doing this before a separate RfD is filed. FMecha (to talk|to see log) 13:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is even a user going by this name on trwiki. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. As the creator I naturally think the redirect has value to prevent disruption and confusion. Impersonation should be blocked. User:Jimbo Wales is a significant enough editor that his nickname should be reserved for him alone across all Wikimedia/Wikipedia platforms. (BTW, the talk page was already a redirect at the time I made this one.) -- Valjean (talk) 15:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Unified login, since there's a user who's registered this name on trwiki. If they were ever to edit here, User:Jimbo would be there userpage on enwiki.  I don't see why this redirect should stand in the way of the single-user login.  Heck, this could even be eligible for WP:U2, right? Hog Farm Bacon 15:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not eligible as long as there is a dispute and discussion about it. Don't complicate things. Let this run its course first. -- Valjean (talk) 16:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. This redirect is widely used. Currently 494 uses are registered. -- Valjean (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So what happens if the trwiki editor with this username ever edits enwiki and wants a userpage? Hog Farm Bacon 17:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd assume that one of two things would happen, either 1) the user would be assigned the username User:Jimbo~enwiki (see User:Power~enwiki for reference), or 2) no other user would be able to create this name since WP:SUL would prevent them from doing so. (I don't know if the latter is the case, but I'd assume there have been updates to the WP:SUL process such as this since SUL was enacted a few years ago.) Steel1943  (talk) 18:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ...Wait, User:Jimbo~enwiki exists and belongs to a registered account? Did a user formerly at User:Jimbo get moved to User:Jimbo~enwiki when the WP:SUL process went live? Yep, sure enough, that is what happened. See this revision. Steel1943  (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Mark it doppelgänger account per above comments. The Turk user will notice that their enwiki uses pages are created to avoid impersonality with Mr. Jimbo Wales. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 17:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Soumya-8974, "User:Jimbo Wales" is not the only "User:Jimbo" in enwiki. User:Jimbo is not even similar to "Jimbo Wales". Other users also have the named "Jimbo" (i.e. User:Jimbo Herndan, User:Jimbo online, etc). Please read this. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 18:06, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete per 1234qwer1234qwer4's findings. Since the user name is used for a global account unrelated to the target, this redirect should be deleted per the purpose of WP:SUL. Steel1943  (talk) 18:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Updated to "strong" after my findings in my response to Hog Farm. Looks like this user name is reserved specifically for the editor who has edited on "trwiki" since the WP:SUL for "Jimbo" was assigned to them. I'd even go to the extent to say this redirect should be deleted per WP:G6 since its existence has the potential to cause technical issues that conflict with WP:SUL. Steel1943  (talk) 18:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's the SUL report. The user itself haven't edited since 2011, but the SUL results indicate an attachment to German Wikipedia in 2020. FMecha (to talk|to see log) 19:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You know, at this point, I'm just going to ask the editor themselves for input in this since they are still active and probably know more about this first hand than me: Power~enwiki, is there anything you may know regarding your own experiences with the enacting of WP:SUL which may help with this discussion? Steel1943  (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see how SUL is relevant here. All the renames were done in 2015 (including that of a blocked account at enwiki from Jimbo to Jimbo~enwiki) and nobody's username is going to change now. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 19:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as the overwhelming primary topic, given that is blocked and the Turkish Jimbo hasn't edited since 2011.  is more likely than any other user to be searched by those who know who he is but may not know the username. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand this stance, but I'd like to present an alternative. So, for the page 沙盒, deleted via an RfD, I created Template:Editnotices/Page/沙盒 which appears on the page when anyone attempts to create it. Would having such a edit notice at the top of the page, possibly stating something like "User:Jimbo does not exist. You may have meant User:Jimbo Wales, the account for Wikipedia's founder" suffice? That way, readers will still be directed to where they may possibly intend to go, while at the same time leaving this title free since it belongs to an account authenticated via SUL that has nothing to do with Jimbo Wales? (Even though yes, the odds of them using their account are rather low since they have both never edited on the English Wikipedia and haven't edited at all for about 9 years?) Steel1943  (talk) 21:25, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds like an excellent solution. The point is that people need to be directed to their likely target. -- Valjean (talk) 20:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per discussion about the years-last-edited it's a clear 'keep'. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless Jimbo Wales himself owns this account it should not redirect to his userpage 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 22:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hell In a cell(2020)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Hell In a cell(2020)">Hell In a cell(2020) → Hell in a Cell (2020) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hell_In_a_cell(2020)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Double redirect (from a page move) for a PPV that isn't yet happening (target currently redirects to WWE Hell in a Cell). FMecha (to talk|to see log) 06:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete because of the miscapitalisation and missing space rather than it being a double redirect. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 06:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Xezbeth. Two errors is too many. Narky Blert (talk) 11:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: highly implausible errors. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete because of the incorrect spacing between the punctuation, also we don't need double redirects like this. Regards, SONIC  678  15:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Implausible redirect. --◊ <b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b> <sup style="color:#707">balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 23:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Steel1943  (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Body shame
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Body shaming. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Body shame → Modesty (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Body_shame&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect confusing and contrary to WP:PLA: The section linked does not exist. Hildeoc (talk) 02:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Body shaming after restoring that as an article per Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 26. Thryduulf (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget as proposed. I just went to boldly do it and see that it's up for discussion, so I'll just leave the comment here. As noted in the previous discussion, this redirect targets a section that no longer exists, and the restored article is a better target anyway. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Return of the Killer Windshield
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Return of the Killer Windshield → The Far Side (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Return_of_the_Killer_Windshield&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned anywhere on enwiki, it's a rather funny one-panel gag in the comic strip, but definitely out of scope to mention anywhere. Hog Farm Bacon 02:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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Draft:SWMPs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Draft:SWMPs → Retention basin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:SWMPs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Improper use of the draft: namespace, it was created as a redirect from the draft space to the article space. Hog Farm Bacon 02:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Also, this acronym is highly ambiguous: the intended meaning here is "storm water management pond", but there's also "surface water management plan", "site waste management plan", Smith and Wesson M&P (the former target of ), and a bunch of other stuff not discussed in Wikipedia. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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Elder Scrolls redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  the first six, retarget Snow Elves to Elves in fiction. --BDD (talk) 15:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Battle of Ionith → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ionith&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Gaiden Shinji → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaiden_Shinji&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dark_Brotherhood_Sanctuary&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Reman Cyrodiil → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reman_Cyrodiil&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sigil Stone → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigil_Stone&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Thras → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thras&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Snow Elves → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snow_Elves&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target article has a very large number of incoming redirects for sundry in-game entities, but these ones here are probably among the most obscure. There's no content about them anywhere on Wikipedia, and I can't imagine there ever being added any. And because of the presence of either generic or short words in some of these names, the redirect are likely to interfere with searches for other topics. There's nothing useful in the histories of those redirects: Battle of Ionith was created in 2006 as a short article about the event, but was then promptly redirected; similar was the beginning of Sigil Stone in 2007. The rest have remained redirects since their creation: Gaiden Shinji in 2007, Thras in 2013, Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary, Snow Elves and Reman Cyrodiil in 2014. – Uanfala (talk) 00:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak retarget Snow Elves to elves in fiction, which mentions "Snow Elves" in a few different works. Delete the rest per nominator. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget Snow Elves and delete the rest, as per previous. These seem extremely obscure, and other less obscure redirects could probably also stand to be deleted. 2A00:23C7:6C88:B101:6885:48BA:A08F:6255 (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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Jackson Pollock (longevity claimant)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Jackson Pollock (longevity claimant)">Jackson Pollock (longevity claimant) → Longevity claims (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackson_Pollock_(longevity_claimant)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As far as I can see, the only relevant name listed in the target is Jackson Pollard, not Pollock. Hildeoc (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This looks like a mistake. We already have as a redirect to Longevity claims, where he has a sourced mention. Narky Blert (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The name "Jackson Pollock" is mentioned in this newspaper: — Naddruf  (talk ~ contribs) 17:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned in the target article, leaving readers not finding the information they may be looking for. Steel1943  (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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