Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 21

September 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 21, 2020.

Battle of Montevideo (1863)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Battle of Montevideo (1863) → Battle of Montevideo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Montevideo_(1863)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's circularly linked at the dab page, but I'm not finding any evidence that an 1863 event known as the "Battle of Montevideo" happened. Hog Farm Bacon 23:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this circular redirect per nom. If this event did indeed happen, readers would more than likely be confused if the circular link remained. Regards, SONIC  678  21:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's nothing at Montevideo about 1863. 1863 leads me to Venancio Flores but it's inconclusive. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's likely this is meant to refer to an 1865 action in the Uruguayan War, the same event mentioned in Shhhnotsoloud's link. --BDD (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Ocean Planet
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 19:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Ocean Planet → Ocean world (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ocean_Planet&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As Ocean planet already redirects to Ocean world, this R from miscapitalization is not needed and should be deleted. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:45, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Not necessary isn't really a rationale for deletion of redirects. For instance, while the search bar isn't case sensitive, hypothetical inline linking is, and searching via the search bar is case sensitive at all.  While it may seem redundant, it's not harmful (I'm presuming the current target is correct), and it may, on occassion, get someone to the right spot.  I don't see a need to delete this. Hog Farm Bacon 23:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep perfectly standard and perfectly harmless . As Hog Farm notes, these redirects are almost always useful to have. Thryduulf (talk) 00:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Not needed is not an acceptable deletion rationale – nothing is absolutely needed – whereas is. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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Nasty guy
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 19:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Nasty guy → Nasty woman (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nasty_guy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Totally pointless redirect  Pepper Beast    (talk)  23:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Mentioned in the article, referring to Ted Cruz. Someone Not Awful (talk) 23:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. It might be ambiguous, but I can see no better target. It is actually mentioned in the lead paragraph of the target article, so the redirect certainly isn't "totally pointless". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Creation of India
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 2%23Creation of India

"3 June Plan" or "Mountbatten Plan"
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * "3 June Plan" or "Mountbatten Plan" → Indian Independence Act 1947 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%223_June_Plan%22_or_%22Mountbatten_Plan%22&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I suppose this could be retargeted to Partition of India since 3 June Plan and Mountbatten Plan redirect there, but the use of quotation marks and the use of the word "or" when this is not an official title in full make this an implausible, WP:COSTLY redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete – Too costly redirect to maintain per nom. I bet J947 to agree with this deletion He didn't. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 12:21, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Notwithstanding the comment immediately above, it seems this was created based on the end of the first sentence at Partition of India (and end of the first sentence in the fourth paragraph of Partition of Bengal (1947). Retarget to Partition of India as this phrase (with double quotes) seems a legitimate way of referring to the plan. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete implausible redirect. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 09:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. A conjunction of two synonymous titles is implausible. --Bsherr (talk) 15:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Ranpat falls
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Ranpat falls → Ukshi railway station (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ranpat_falls&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 15:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Now information has been added. Crashed greek (talk) 05:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In this case, given that the station does not appear to be part of the falls tourist attraction, I think that deletion may still be appropriate per WP:R #10 signed,Rosguill talk 19:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Rosguill Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 20:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I concur with Rosguill. --Bsherr (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Primera Plastics 200
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Berlin Raceway. (non-admin closure) <b style="background:#006A4D; padding:2px"> NASCARfan0548   ↗ </b> 19:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Primera Plastics 200 → Stars & Stripes 150 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Primera_Plastics_200&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target. Seems to be a different race, albeit held at the same location. Berlin Raceway or ARCA Menards Series East could be more appropriate, but there's no mention there either. Delete unless a duly sourced mention can be added somewhere. signed,Rosguill talk 15:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget - This is not the same race. The "Primera Plastics 200" appears to have been the Berlin Raceway race of the ARCA Menards Series in 2018 and 2013, but not every year (eg see ). Suggest retarget to Berlin Raceway or Berlin Raceway but ideally it should be mentioned by name there. A7V2 (talk) 01:06, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a tough one. Berlin Raceway doesn't seem to list any of these individual race sponsor names, so only adding the Primera Plastics one doesn't make much sense. ARCA Menards Series East does list sponsor names, but not Primera Plastic right now, and I don't know how organically we could add it. This is a rare case where I might tolerate a R without mention, to Berlin Raceway. The race is mentioned by name at 2013 ARCA Racing Series and 2018 ARCA Racing Series, so perhaps disambiguation is the best option. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Berlin Raceway. The ARCA race there has held a number of different names, I can add a list of names if it makes retargeting an easier sell.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 19:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it would, and provide some other helpful information for readers too. --BDD (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Ainsley Veraa
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Ainsley Veraa → Abbywinters.com (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ainsley_Veraa&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Abbywinters.com makes no mention of this name, and Google search yields no hits other than related to this redirect. No logic for this to exist. Zim <b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b> Bim <sup style="color:black">talk 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It turns out that founder/CEO Garion Hall was born "Ainsley Verra" so this is a typo of that, but even the correctly spelled version would not be a good redirect as the name is not mentioned in the article (and I strongly suspect that mention would not be due). Thryduulf (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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Vanished (album)
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MusicPlus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * MusicPlus → Musica Studio's (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MusicPlus&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided signed,Rosguill talk 18:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is also https://www.musicplus.in/ making it ambiguous. -2pou (talk) 19:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Next Cantabrian parlamentary election
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Next Cantabrian parlamentary election → Parliament of Cantabria (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Cantabrian_parlamentary_election&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible typo. Should have been updated to Next Cantabrian regional election, but it's likely to fail to be updated again and not worth the burden of maintaining. Paul_012 (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep that's a very plausible type. We don't delete redirects because they might not be updated in the future, what matters is that readers are best served at the moment. Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Whilst I agree with Thryduulf, we do have MOS:CURRENT which discourages statements likely to become outdated, and we do have an essay WP:COSTLY which reminds us that "redirects need looking after", so on balance I'd say this redirect is likely to be less helpful in the longer term as it is helpful now. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shhh. Their argument is persuasive in this case. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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Next montenegrin parliamentary election
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 28%23Next montenegrin parliamentary election

Next Galician parliamentary election
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 28%23Next Galician parliamentary election

CinemaWorld
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 28%23CinemaWorld

Next Thai legislative election
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 28%23Next Thai legislative election

BERSATU Blackout
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 2%23BERSATU Blackout

Point break
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I tried to retarget this to the Point Break film as it makes more sense since it is just the lower case version of the article title. However, it was reverted. Currently, this redirects to Surf break. I would understand if the article title of the film was Point Break (film) (and not just a redirect to it), but... it's not. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 14:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Point break → Surf break (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Point_break&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * EDIT: I just realized that Point Break (the film) was the target of this redirect for almost 12 years before changed it in January of this year. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 19:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I changed it at the same time it was defined in the surf break article. --evrik (talk) 17:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? The term has been there since as early as 2009. Honestly, if I had noticed that you had just changed it on your own with no discussion, I wouldn't have even started this RFD. Truly, the onus is on you to justify your change. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 18:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, maybe my memory fails me. I was editing a bunch of surfing-related articles at the time. In any case, I made the change because the redirect should go to the term, and not the movie.--evrik (talk) 02:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep A point break is a specific surf term with a corresponding entry in wiktionary. The current redirect points to an article (surf break) where the term is defined in wikipedia. In fact, the movie gets its name from the term. It is appropriate as it is. --evrik (talk) 14:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. The film is by far the primary topic for this search term in all capitalisations. Thryduulf (talk) 14:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep at this capitalisation. There is a hatnote to the film. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep We are not exactly talking Citizen Kane here. In a hundred years time the film will have rescinded into obscurity but people will still be surfing. Long-term significance should trump pop culture in an encyclopedia. Betty Logan (talk) 05:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Betty.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 15:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This redirect is the actual name of the target. Retargeting it to a miscapitalization of another topic seems counterproductive. --Bsherr (talk) 15:58, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Khamzat Chimaev (fighter)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Khamzat Chimaev (fighter)">Khamzat Chimaev (fighter) → Khamzat Chimaev (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khamzat_Chimaev_(fighter)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Creator of Khamzat Chimaev (fighter) copied and paste the content of Khamzat Chimaev into Khamzat Chimaev (fighter). There is only one Khamzat Chimaev in English Wikipedia and not need to have a redirect, seeking the Khamzat Chimaev (fighter) page to be deleted. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 10:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Talk page of the forementioned page shows how ridiculously this was conducted by the creator. No need for that page as redirect per above. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 03:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. There might have been a case for R from unnecessary disambiguation but having look at the history, it should never have been created in the first place. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:CENTER
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * CENTER → Wikipedia:Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center/World AIDS Day 2018 editathon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CENTER&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible redirect. Nobody looking for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center/World AIDS Day 2018 editathon is going to type in WP:CENTER. (I was looking for a page about replacing the obsolete HTML center tag) Guy Macon (talk) 02:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I don’t see a meaningful connection other than the fact that the target has the word center in it. It also originally targeted to Centralized discussion/Terrorism but I don’t see that as any better than the current target.--76.67.170.18 (talk) 02:58, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Centralized discussion/Terrorism, which was the original target of this redirect, or to Centralized discussion which appears to be a more plausible target. This redirect's current target was added in 2017 by without explanation. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:02, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Neither one of those is a plausible search term. I say Delete without redirect so that later we can make a page about dealing with the obsolete HTML center tag. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget: WP:Centralized discussion is the only target for this that makes any sense to me (maybe with a hatnote dab to MoS section on centering text, or MoS on "center" vs "centre", or any darn thing besides an editathon that happened in 2018, really). { $$\mathbb{JPG}$$ } 10:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete without redirect Redirects answer demand and are not preemptive. I set this redirect to assist a group in finding an event page. Since that time there has been no great demand for change. Delete and leave the page blank so that it would be easy for anyone to see it is available to promote for any useful purpose.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  10:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bluerasberry; the current target is non-obvious and underused, and while you can make an argument that WP:Centralized discussion is reasonable, it's not really an obvious use. We shouldn't be actively encouraging more of these different shortcut links when WP:CENT etc are fine, and this could very plausibly be used for something else in future. ~ mazca  talk 17:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 *  Delete I was looking for formatting info. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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