Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 23

September 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 23, 2020.

Bart Has Two Mommies (The Simpsons)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 03:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Bart Has Two Mommies (The Simpsons) → Bart Has Two Mommies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bart_Has_Two_Mommies_(The_Simpsons)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This article was moved to help clear up what show it's from, but it got moved back a few days later. There's nothing else called Bart Has Two Mommies, so there's no real point in having this redirect. Most users would search the title first instead of adding parenthesis. Additionally, no pages currently link to this and it was created before the episode aired. Delete. Scrooge200 (talk) 20:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Neither incorrect, ambiguous, or harmful. It's not necessary, but few things around here really are, if we're being honest. Hog Farm Bacon 20:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Hog Farm. R from move, R with history, unambiguous, helpful, harmless, etc. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above as an R from unnecessary disambiguation. Who cares if someone searches with such disambiguation if it's still appropriate? Regards, SONIC  678  23:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per all of the above. "Not necessary" is never a reason on its own to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone above. "Bart Has Two Mommies (The Simpsons)" is technically a Simpsons video, so where is the proof of deleting this redirect? Seventyfiveyears (talk) 17:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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2003 Atlantic tropical cyclones
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep, refining targets where able  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hurricane Larry → Tropical Storm Larry (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Larry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hurricane Mindy → 2003 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Mindy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hurricane Nicholas → Tropical Storm Nicholas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Nicholas&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hurricane Odette → Tropical Storm Odette (2003) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Odette&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hurricane Peter → 2003 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Peter&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Those storms never reached hurricane intensity, nor were there any hurricanes along with those names. Cyclone Larry did occur in the Southern Hemisphere. Same for Cyclone Nicholas and Cyclone Odette. However, I'm not 100% sure if we should retarget Nicholas and Odette to the storm list. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 20:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Harmless. These names are all included in one of the naming lists for the Atlantic, so it's more than likely that we'll see them being used for future hurricanes. Interestingly enough, this list will be used next year. CycloneYoris talk! 22:28, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm only 85% sure that we should retarget Nicholas and Odette to dab page. Disambiguate Larry just in case that there is another hurricane with this name, for example in 2021. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 23:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would have no objection to that. However, disambiguating Larry does seem unnecessary, at least for now, we should wait for Larry 2021 to form next year. In the meantime, the hatnote at Larry’s article does the trick. CycloneYoris talk!</b> 06:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget Hurricane Mindy to 2003 Atlantic hurricane season and Hurricane Peter to 2003 Atlantic hurricane season as more specific targets. Set indexes can be created and linked if/when these names are used for another system. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 09:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all It doesn't hurt anything/harmless. Seconding KN2731.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  03:12, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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That Man
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  the first, retargeting the second there. Thanks to Shhhnotsoloud for the draft! --BDD (talk) 19:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * That Man → List of Excel Saga characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That_Man&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * That man → That Man (song) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That_man&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think this is a WP:DIFFCAPS situation. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:14, 15 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Is either of these topics notable? In case it's decided that disambiguation is appropriate, then entries could be added for a nickname in List of nicknames of presidents of the United States, and for That Man: Peter Berlin (where the part after the colons can be mistaken for a subtitle). Either way, it will make sense to move That Man to something like That Man (Excel Saga) to preserve the bit of article history there. – Uanfala (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. I have provided a draft. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Can that draft be moved to That man pending the outcome of this discussion? I ask this since That Man has history as an article for the character in List of Excel Saga characters, so its edit history would probably be best moved elsewhere and not tied together with two different subjects/pages/articles. Steel1943  (talk) 17:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If that is necessary then I have no problem with it, but I think any final disambiguation page ought to be at the capitalised title. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree with that at all. Just trying to prevent editor attribution issues at the pass. Steel1943  (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate under the new proposal. None of these characters have primary topic, so that would be best.   AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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Babur Lateef
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Babur Lateef → 2021 Virginia lieutenant gubernatorial election (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Babur_Lateef&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not currently mentioned at the target, appears to have been recently removed in this edit. If the edit isn't reverted, then we have no use for the redirect. signed,Rosguill talk 17:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete If the name isn't included on the page, then there's no reason for a redirect. KidAd   talk  18:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Without a mention in the article this redirect is confusing, and impedes effective use of Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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"NUMBER and NUMBER" encoding
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . I think this fairly could've been either keep or no consensus, though the outcome is the same. --BDD (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * "4 and 4" encoding → Group coded recording (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%224_and_4%22_encoding&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * "5 and 3" encoding → Group coded recording (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%225_and_3%22_encoding&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * "6 and 2" encoding → Group coded recording (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%226_and_2%22_encoding&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's unclear why these redirects need to exists when their non-quotation equivalents 4 and 4 encoding, 5 and 3 encoding, and 6 and 2 encoding exist. It doesn't seem as though the quotations are used for the name of the subjects, and if they aren't, the use of quotations are somewhat WP:COSTLY as search terms considering the subjects represented by their redirects are not subjects that would traditionally use quotations or double apostrophes on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Steel1943 (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep They exist because this spelling is used in some of the literature. It is quite normal for such kind of terms that different typographical notations (like with space, with hyphens, quoted, with slashes, in parentheses, etc.) are used by different authors and over larger timespans. One purpose of redirects is to provide an input interface for any of them. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "One purpose of redirects is to provide an input interface for any of them." That's preaching to the choir. But can you provide any references that shows these terms used in quotes? Steel1943  (talk) 19:27, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not preaching to the choir, but just tried to be efficient in the use of my time to safe a perfectly valid redirect carelessly nominated for deletion. You are obviously not WP:AGF in your fellow editors. May I ask you to do your homework and be much more careful WP:BEFORE you make nominations for deletion? This is no fun at all, it is wasting other editors' precious time and energy. And there's always a risk involved of good contents to be accidently deleted if the original author is not (or no longer) around to provide background on something and no other competent editor happens to stop by in the few days of discussion. There are other venues (like article talk pages (in the case of redirects probably that of the target page)) to discuss possible issues, if you are not already sure something must be deleted because it is junk or a mistake.
 * While a lack of Google hits does not tell anything about the existence of something, here are two links from the first page of Google hits using these terms and notations (one historical and one modern):
 * http://asciiexpress.net/files/docs/Beneath%20Apple%20DOS.pdf
 * https://extrapages.de/archives/20190102-Floppy-notes.html
 * I could provide probably a dozen others, but I don't want to waste yet more time on this.
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 21:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You took my "preaching to the choir" statement out of context, and accused me of doing something I didn't. I was saying that I know what purpose redirects serve, which is why I nominated these things in the first place. Your claim that "You are obviously not WP:AGF in your fellow editors." is a claim with no foundation. I did my WP:BEFORE and found no results, which is why I started this discussion. These are redirects, not articles. It should be clear why a redirect targets an page without having to know a figurative backdoor or secret handshake for references that only subject material experts know in order to to figure out why a redirect targets a page; at the same time, the redirect needs to be spelled and punctuated in a plausible manner. Anyways, your whole comment was an WP:AGF failure so I have nothing more to say. Have a nice day. Steel1943  (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Over here "preaching to the choir" is an accusation, that's what I responded to in regard to AGF. Also, because you obviously don't put trust in the competence of other editors, those who wrote the article, provided the references, created the redirects, and answered swiftly above. You certainly don't need to be an expert on a topic, but you should know enough about a topic to be sure that something you nominate for deletion is incorrect. Otherwise, better don't make such nominations (except for in cases of obvious junk) as you are thereby putting possibly good contents or infrastructure at risk - that's potentially harmful, wasting resources, and annoying the contributors, and therefore not good, even if you act with the best intentions (I'm sure you did).
 * If you have some background in coding theory you will know that there are many sometimes strange looking conventions and notations in use to describe the codes. We can't do anything about it, they are used and therefore we need redirects for them.
 * It might be difficult to track down a larger body of the printed literature, but fortunately in this case some stuff is online, and it was trivially easy to find the listed refs with Google proving the use of this notation. There's no backdoor or secret handshake involved. You should have found them as well, in particular as one of the citations is prominently used in the article where these codes are discussed, indicating that you did not even look at the locations these redirects point to. So, I really wonder what you did at all to come to the conclusion that these redirects should be deleted even though their purpose is fully covered by our guideline WP:RPURPOSE. Clearly, your necessary research prior to the nomination was not thorough enough per WP:BEFORE. This can happen as a mistake, but it should remain a rare exception, otherwise you need to improve that and your judgement before making nominations for deletion. This isn't the first time that you make invalid nominations. That's why I ask you to please be more careful.
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:31, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep, seem like plausible search terms. I'm not sure I follow why having this pattern of quote marks would be costly. signed,Rosguill talk 19:45, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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Kilo Highway
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Kilo Highway → Ring II (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kilo_Highway&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target or the connected svWiki and fiWiki articles. The Finnish article mentions "Kilonväylä" as an alternative name, but it's not clear whether that's equivalent to this term. Searching online I couldn't find anything suggesting that this was an alternative name. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 16:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Etymology of Georgia
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Etymology of Georgia → Names of Georgia (country) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Etymology_of_Georgia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Names of Georgia → Names of Georgia (country) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Names_of_Georgia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous with List of state and territory name etymologies of the United States -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 11:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Disambig. Why does this even need to be discussed? It's a clearly useful search term that is ambiguous with a finite number of articles and no clear primary topic. What else other than disambiguation could be appropriate? Thryduulf (talk) 17:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is much more relevant. The etymology of the US state is very simple as it is named after the British monarch. Regards, An emperor /// Ave 16:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Added Names of Georgia, same rationale. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and add hatnote to target article. We don't have an article on the etymology of the U.S. state name, so a hatnote will suffice in place of a disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 02:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: If kept, Names of Georgia (country) should be renamed to Names of Georgia. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep, though I totally agree that the article needs to be moved to Names of Georgia if so. I've added a hatnote for the US state, which should've been there already. I would be fine with disambiguation: the etymology of the state is much more simple than the country's, not necessarily less notable. But in general, it makes more sense to prefer a full article as primary topic over a section or list entry. --BDD (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Gugumani
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . G7 per  signed,Rosguill talk 18:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Gugumani → Inn of the Good Samaritan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gugumani&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, internet search didn't turn up anything that clarified the connection, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 16:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Wayne Lineker
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Wayne Lineker → The Only Way Is Essex (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wayne_Lineker&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Wayne Lineker was only on TOWIE for a month. (Daily Star) He's had just-as-notable adventures since then (Google News) and it doesn't make much sense to have this being a redirect to a page he isn't even mentioned in. Let me know your thoughts! Bernat (talk) 14:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Without a mention in the article this redirect is confusing, and impedes effective use of Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup/Archive 1
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup/Archive 1">Template index/Cleanup/Archive 1 → Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Template_index/Cleanup/Archive_1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup/Archive 1">Template messages/Cleanup/Archive 1 → Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup/Archive_1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. No substantive history or links. The talk page exists as a talk page archive, but we generally don't create redirects of the subject pages of talk page archives. Bsherr (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * See also Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines. --Bsherr (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Military career of Napoléon the Great
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Military career of Napoléon the Great">Military career of Napoléon the Great → Military career of Napoleon Bonaparte (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_career_of_Napol%C3%A9on_the_Great&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Reopening the discussion after 11 months since accented redirects like this are implausible. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 07:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep plenty of English language sources use the accent so there seems to be no reason to regard this as implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf. No valid reason given for deletion, nom's rationale strikes me as an unnecessary WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per those above – completely plausible. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Belgians in the Congo
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Belgians in the Congo → Belgian Congo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgians_in_the_Congo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not really a likely target BilCat (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment. When i saw the redirect, it was initially pointing to "We Didn't Start the Fire", a song that includes "Belgians in the Congo" as a redirect. Belgian Congo made a better redirect target than that. No objections if deleting it seems a better move than keeping it with this target. —C.Fred (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Probably unnecessary and certainly too ambiguous. Station1 (talk) 22:52, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This presumably derives from the song lyric as C.Fred suggests. It is not a helpful redirect, not least since it could well point to either Belgian Congo or White people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This redirect is ambiguous and may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is plausible due to the song lyric, and gives the proper context for Belgians in the Congo. I disagree that it's sufficiently ambiguous, the current target is what someone would be looking for when researching this phrase. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Would Belgium–Democratic Republic of the Congo relations be a suitable target? feminist (talk) 03:58, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Belgian colonial empire (or keep as a second choice. The song lyric makes this an extremely plausible search term - someone is quite likely to hear it and want to know what the Belgians were doing in the Congo and why it was a big deal (as all the events listed in the song are (or were at the time) big deals). The best overview of that we have is at Belgian colonial empire (covering both Congo Free State and Belgian Congo and linking to them as main articles). I don't see how the term is ambiguous with anything else. Belgium–Democratic Republic of the Congo relations would be an incorrect target as that covers the post-colonial relations between the two countries while the search term is about Belgian colonial activities in the Congo, while White people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo is tangential to what is being sought. Thryduulf (talk) 11:39, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Belgian colonial empire per Thryduulf, the more comprehensive target.
 * While I know precedent isn't binding around here, I can't help but think this outcome is discordant with the deletion of the much more oblique "Fire" lyric British politician sex, but I digress. --BDD (talk) 19:51, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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Minneapolis Riots
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Keep and retarget proposals have roughly equal amounts of support. signed,Rosguill talk 19:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Minneapolis Riots → George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minneapolis_Riots&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Twin Cities riots → George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twin_Cities_riots&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Twin Cities protest → George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twin_Cities_protest&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Twin Cities protests → George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twin_Cities_protests&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Minneapolis uprising → George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minneapolis_uprising&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Twin Cities uprising → George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twin_Cities_uprising&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This set of redirects are currently targeted at an article discussing 2020 events. It might be better if they went to the more general list List of civil unrest in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (notwithstanding the current hatnote at the target article). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:23, 5 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Only the first 2 are averaging more than one view per day. I think for the moment they are probably pointing to the right article for most people. That could possibly change in the future. It doesn't matter much, as long as the hatnote is in place. Station1 (talk) 18:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I concur with Station1. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Generally agree these should be retargeted. --Izno (talk) 16:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as is per Station1. They're primary topic at the moment. Other incidents don't come to the same level as the recent protests and reader convenience is served best this way. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep the target article is, at least currently, the primary topic by a significant margin. Readers looking for other events are served by the hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget all of them to List of civil unrest in Minneapolis–Saint Paul. A new article, Minneapolis downtown riot, is about a different event on August 26, 2020. Retargeting to the list would be most helpful for readers as the terms are vague, and it would prevent them from being re-targeted later to the issue du jour.VikingB (talk) 06:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. You say "primary topic for now", I say WP:RECENTISM. --BDD (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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Uboat.net
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Uboat.net → Template:Cite Uboat.net (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uboat.net&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Extremely WTF-y WP:XNS redirect. A reader searching for Uboat.net does not want to be taken to a citation template. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Clearly misleading and unhelpful. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete but only if the transclusions at SS India and List of hospital ships sunk in World War I are fixed . I think having the redirect is harmful, since it's possible an article could be written about this source, but right now it's more harmful to break those two template usages. Hog Farm Bacon 01:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Upon further investigation, these are linked within the template text, not in lieu of the template, so yeah, just straight delete these with no qualms. Hog Farm Bacon 01:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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