Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 29

September 29
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 29, 2020.

William Neville (born c.1338)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 6

Template:School disambig
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 * The result of the discussion was keep -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Template:School disambig → Template:School disambiguation (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:School_disambig&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary and unused recently created redirect to Template:School disambiguation. I do not see any use in keeping this, there are also already two redirects to this template; Schooldis (original template name moved to School disambiguation in 2011) and Schooldab (created in 2012) which are used, although these two names do look a bit terrible. Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – Cheap and harmless. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 18:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, of course, just like Disambig. What a pointless nomination. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC) –


 * , if we're speaking of pointless, as you can see my edit here I changed disambig to School disambiguation which is the correct disambiguation template for this page. You then reverted my edit changing School disambiguation to School disambig which didn't exist at the time, only to then change it back to School disambiguation. Then you created School disambig. Pointless edits. Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for kindly saving me the bother of explaining why the redirect (like the city names that you removed and I restored, on the disambiguation page) is needed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Good for restoring the city names, but you didn't add the country which should be added. Changing correctly added School disambiguation to non-existent School disambig, explain the logic here.. Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Potentially useful and completely harmless, a classic example of a WP:CHEAP redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Useful, just like schooldis and schooldab - and also like variants of disambiguation such as disambig and dab. They all save typing and memory work. Narky Blert (talk) 17:15, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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Clocks
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Clock as prior to March last year. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Clocks → Clock (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clocks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Clock per WP:PLURALPT, as someone searching for "clocks" is most likely looking for the article on the time pieces. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * For most of its history, this was targeted to Clock. But in March last year, its target was changed to Clocks (song), which remained the case until a few days ago. The issue was briefly discussed at Talk:Clocks_(song), so pining participants:, , , , , . – Uanfala (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with either, it certainly can be argued that someone typing the plural form wants the song and while we can safely say the song isn't primary (at least by PT#2/ASTONISH) I'm not sure the device is, that said the usual rule at WP:PLURALPT is that a plural form redirects to its equivalent singular. To add to the evidence I presented at the RM a Google Search for clocks mainly returns the device but the song is there, Images and Books only show the device though.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Either redirect to Clock (disambiguation) or to Clock, but not to the song. The plural form probably does raise the likelihood that someone is looking for the song, but not up to the point that they would be almost certainly looking for the song. People definitely should not be astonished if they look for "clocks" and end up at an article about timekeeping devices. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Clock per nom and discussion Randy Kryn (talk) 03:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep existing target of Clock (disambiguation). Redirects to WP:PTOPICs always collect bad links. It's best for the encyclopaedia to keep redirects to PTOPICs to an absolute minimum. One more click for readers? natch. Bad bluelinks? come back after you've fixed a couple of thousand, and then try to convince me they're a good idea. Narky Blert (talk) 17:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but this goes against our general redirect policies of usually redirecting plurals the primary topic as laid out at WP:PLURALPT. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand from that that you think that it is more important to rigidly follow a guideline than to worry about bluelinks which point readers to the wrong place. I disagree. Narky Blert (talk) 23:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I think the guidelines exist for a very good reason, and in this particular case I definitely think the guideline should be followed. Links can be fixed. Laziness is not a valid reason to oppose following the guidelines. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I prefer to minimise the number of bad bluelinks which WP already has, and to minimise the chances of yet more being created. Narky Blert (talk) 20:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Then you fix the links. Linking to a DAB page isn't a good solution. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:41, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
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Titiedius Servilius Casca Longus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:04, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Titiedius Servilius Casca Longus → Gaius Servilius Casca (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Titiedius_Servilius_Casca_Longus&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a real name for this person. ★Trekker (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment a linked nomination is at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 28. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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Enecyclopedia of the brethren of purity
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:04, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Enecyclopedia of the brethren of purity → Encyclopedia of the Brethren of Purity (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Enecyclopedia_of_the_brethren_of_purity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo for "encyclopedia", with no hits whatsoever for the full name "Enecyclopedia of the brethren of purity" on WP or Google. — MarkH21talk 09:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:R3 - implausible typo. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * R3 is only for recently created redirects, this has existed since 2008 so is ineligible. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, delete it is then. Place Clichy (talk) 17:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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Straight front
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 19:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Straight front → History of corsets (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Straight_front&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. "Straight front" is ambiguous and this redirect may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Could refer to anything, including buildings. Narky Blert (talk) 14:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
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Swedish Namibian
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  the first, keep the second as article. The latter was effectively rendered out of scope by being converted into an article in good faith. Thanks, IP! --BDD (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Swedish Namibian → Category:Namibian people of Swedish descent (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swedish_Namibian&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Portuguese Trinidadian and Tobagonian → Category:Trinidad and Tobago people of Portuguese descent (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portuguese_Trinidadian_and_Tobagonian&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Cross-namespace redirect to a category. Not directly eligible to speedy per WP:R2, however I can see no value in this redirect. There is nothing in the category beyond the redirect itself and a subcategory with 2 articles. There is no other specific content related to the Swedish diaspora community in Namibia, if it even exists. The second redirect is a similar creation by the same user, also pointing to a descent category with a handful of biographical articles and the redirect itself. Place Clichy (talk) 07:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. These cross-namespace redirects are not helpful because the target contains no substantive information on the subjectand will only ever be an incomplete list. It is possible there may be an alternative target but these redirects should not stay as they are. (The redirect of list articles to category space is discouraged). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Portuguese Trinidadian and Tobagonian as I've started an article there (and the sources actually use the term "Portuguese Trinidadian"). Delete Swedish Namibian per above, and also because it's not clear whether it's supposed to mean Category:Namibian people of Swedish descent or Category:Swedish people of Namibian descent anyway given that no WP:RS use this term. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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Toddlercon
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Toddlercon → Hentai (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toddlercon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Toddlerkon → Hentai (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toddlerkon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Toddlercon is "an obscure genre of manga and anime which depicts toddler characters in a suggestive or erotic manner". This term has long since disappeared from the articles it has redirected to over the years, and for good reason, since it is an unencyclopedic neologism that is not worthy of note. A new editor has recently attempted to restore the article at Toddlercon with no sources other than its AfD. I restored the redirect per the AfD and WP:G4, but I also believe that these redirects should be deleted. Crossroads -talk- 03:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Crossroads. I don't see how these redirects are needed. No valid reason for them to continue to exist. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 04:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Articles for deletion/Toddlercon (2nd nomination) No increase in notability since then. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 06:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per the AfD discussion(s), probably a hoax and no encyclopaedic potential whatsoever. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to Wiktionary. This is very much not a hoax - the second AfD turned up plenty of mentions and (thin) references in journals and there are also references at pt:Toddlercon (although that article is essentially a dictionary defitition); and it's not really a neologism at this point either. It isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia, but it does have a Wiktionary entry which is where we should be directing people. Thryduulf (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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Sarah Macintyre
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Sarah McIntyre. Yes, we indeed have a SNOWstorm on our radar. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Sarah Macintyre → Sally Macintyre (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Macintyre&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I see no indication that the sociologist has ever been referred to as "Sarah". 207.161.86.162 (talk) 01:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Sarah McIntyre as similar name and likely spelling variant. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 06:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sarah McIntyre per AngusWOOF. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sarah McIntyre per AngusWOOF. Thryduulf (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sarah McIntyre per everyone above as an R from alternative capitalization. Looking at our weather forecast, it seems like we have a WP:SNOWstorm on our radar. Regards, SONIC  678  22:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment – Retargeting to Sarah McIntyre seems reasonable to me. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 06:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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