Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 7

September 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 7, 2020.

Memorial to Thomas Jefferson
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Jefferson Memorial. signed,Rosguill talk 18:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Memorial to Thomas Jefferson → Lewis and Clark National Historical Park (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Memorial_to_Thomas_Jefferson&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I believe there is some sort of Memorial to Thomas Jefferson included within Lewis and Clark National Historical Park, but I also believe most searchers are seeking the Jefferson Memorial article regarding the well-known Jefferson Memorial in D.C. Perhaps this should be retargeted pursuant to WP:ASTONISH? Unless someone can confirm a memorial in Oregon/Washington that carries this name that would justify the current target. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jefferson Memorial, which is what appears to the primary topic. Whatever is in Lewis and Clark NHP doesn't seem to be too prominent, and the Jefferson Memorial is a better potential target than Jefferson National Expansion Memorial due to the phrasing. Hog Farm Bacon 18:33, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jefferson Memorial per nom, also the target article doesn't even mention Thomas Jefferson's name! Regards, SONIC  678  20:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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Joseph Harper (English politician)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . per ANI. Black Kite (talk) 09:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Joseph Harper (English politician) → Joseph Harper (British politician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Harper_(English_politician)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading, should not be used per WP:REDIRECT, appears only in templates and draft-spaces GPinkerton (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per (which I note is part of WP:REDIRECT); hardly misleading. Old external links pointing to this redirect are a certainty, as this was the article's title for 14 years. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 18:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. In this case, "English" is essentially a R from unnecessary disambiguation that could also describe the subject of the target article. Steel1943  (talk) 01:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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John Tilley (English politician)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . per ANI Black Kite (talk) 09:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * John Tilley (English politician) → John Tilley (British politician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Tilley_(English_politician)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused, misleading, should not be used per WP:REDIRECT GPinkerton (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per (which I note is part of WP:REDIRECT); hardly misleading. Old external links pointing to this redirect are a certainty, as this was the article's title for 6 years. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 18:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. In this case, "English" is essentially a R from unnecessary disambiguation that could also describe the subject of the target article. Steel1943  (talk) 01:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Ed Tomney
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Ed Tomney → Blast First (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ed_Tomney&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:XY. No specific target to redirect this individual. Has composed for a number a films and listed on two labels. Check seach results. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:41, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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John Edwards (English Labour politician)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . per ANI Black Kite (talk) 09:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * John Edwards (English Labour politician) → John Edwards (British Labour politician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Edwards_(English_Labour_politician)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Empty and unlinked-to, with misleading title GPinkerton (talk) 15:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * It was not unlinked to until ignored WP:NOTBROKEN and changed the links. DuncanHill (talk) 15:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per (which I note is part of WP:REDIRECT); hardly misleading. Old external links pointing to this redirect are a certainty, as this was the article's title for over 5 years. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 18:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per J947, this guy was born in England so it's perfectly plausible to use "English" here. Regards, SONIC  678  19:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Noting that there is an ANI discussion of interest to participants. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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Charles Waterhouse (English politician)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Charles Waterhouse (English politician)">Charles Waterhouse (English politician) → Charles Waterhouse (British politician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Waterhouse_(English_politician)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Empty and unlinked-to, with a misleading title GPinkerton (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * It was not unlinked to until ignored WP:NOTBROKEN and changed the links. DuncanHill (talk) 15:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per (which I note is part of WP:REDIRECT); hardly misleading. The fact that old external links are pointing to this redirect is shown by the pageviews. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 19:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per J947. In addition to both that and the one above receiving those pageviews, this guy was also born in England, so this redirect is also perfectly plausible. Regards, SONIC  678  19:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As was once famously (not) said by the Duke of Wellington: being born in a stable does not make one a horse. David Lloyd George was born in England; is he an "English prime minister"? Julia Gillard was born in Wales. Is she a "Welsh prime minister"? GPinkerton (talk) 21:13, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirects don't have to be correct. What matters here is how helpful the redirect is to readers. As shown by the pageviews above, this redirect is used – and if deleted, would result in those readers being negatively affected. Read and . — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. When I saw the comments above I had assumed Waterhouse must have moved to Wales and represented Welsh constituencies. He was born in England, and was contesting elections only in English constituencies. As a title, yes one could argue its misleading, but as a redirect, even before the considerations about incoming external links, it's hardly incorrect. As for Julia Gillard, a suitable title would be Julia Gillard (Australian politician), but a redirect from something like Julia Gillard (Victorian politician) should be fine (but not as a title as it would be misleading/confusing, but we are discussing a redirect not a title) since her seat was in Victoria. A7V2 (talk) 23:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. In this case, "English" is essentially a R from unnecessary disambiguation that could also describe the subject of the target article. Steel1943  (talk) 01:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Moonshot Entertainment
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Moonshot Entertainment → Bryan Cranston (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moonshot_Entertainment&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; therefore not providing the reader any relevant information. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 19:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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Osprey Productions
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Osprey Productions → Josh Berman (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Osprey_Productions&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; therefore not providing the reader any relevant information. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 09:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Major H Productions
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Major H Productions → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Major_H_Productions&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; therefore not providing the reader any relevant information. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 19:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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Shamley Productions
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Shamley Productions → Alfred Hitchcock (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shamley_Productions&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; therefore not providing the reader any relevant information. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 09:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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National Record
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * National Record → The Philadelphia Record (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Record&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target (though it appears to be a former name), and many other complete or parial name matches e.g. National records in athletics, National Record of the Historic Environment related to National Monuments Record of Scotland. Thus we should delete to not confuse (as a dab would be confusing in my opinion as lots of the matches are partial matches) <b style="color:#ffcc00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00e64d">2302</b> (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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James Mendez
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * James Mendez → Two Witches (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Mendez&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This person is not mentioned in the target article. To be honest, I have absolutely no idea what the purpose of this redirect is. The only page that links to the redirect is False Prophets (EP).  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 08:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Seemingly created because the person has a songwriting credit on the compilation Awake the Machines - On the Line Vol. 2 for a song by Two Witches. Listed as a remixer on the False Prophets EP. WP:XY. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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Shifonf/sandbox
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  by Maile66 per criteria R3 and G6. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 05:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Shifonf/sandbox">Shifonf/sandbox → John Carruthers Stanly (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shifonf/sandbox&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect left after moving to correct namespace following user's moving page out of sandbox. John B123 (talk) 08:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment there's this thing called "CSD R3" 100.33.92.194 (talk) 19:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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Automotive SPICE
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 14%23Automotive SPICE

Los Angeles Real Estate
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Los Angeles Real Estate → Job or No Job (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Los_Angeles_Real_Estate&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

So this presumably exists because of, but the target is a tiny article on a defunct reality TV show. If we had Housing in Los Angeles that would be an appropriate target, but this redirect strikes me as confusing/misleading at the moment. (Indeed, I was confused/misled until I Googled it.) I suggest deleting outright. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 03:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * very weak retarget to Los Angeles County Assessor which is the office that deals with the government functions related to real estate in Los Angeles, which is relevant to some ways this search term could be used, but it's the best I can find. I'm not going to be upset in if the consensus is for deletion though. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just keep redirecting to Job or No Job until there's a more appropriate target. Not doing any harm in the meantime. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Techie3 (talk) 05:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Another Believer. This is the title of an episode of Job or No Job, so not entirely misleading. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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UK Alfa 164 Register
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * UK Alfa 164 Register → Alfa Romeo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UK_Alfa_164_Register&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at target or anywhere on Wikipedia. Created as an article back in 2004 then redirected 4 minutes later. Delete. A7V2 (talk) 02:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete not in article as way too niche. Looks like there's a Alfa 164 Register website where you can register yourself as having one of these cars, but nothing about that is ever going to be in an encyclopedic article about Alfa Romeo. <b style="color:#ffcc00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00e64d">2302</b> (talk) 14:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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F1 The Game
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * F1 The Game → 2009 Formula One World Championship (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F1_The_Game&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Clearly the current target is unsuitable (the only use of the word "game" is a hatnote to F1 2009 (video game) but there are many F1 games). Arguably could be retargeted to Formula One video games, however as far as I can tell no such game actually exists (so of course there is no mention at that article) and there are other kinds of games which aren't videogames, eg Formula 1 (board game). I would prefer deletion. A7V2 (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I assume it's meant to be pointing to F1 2009 (video game) rather than 2009 Formula One World Championship, but there are many Formula 1 games (there is one almost every year). So delete as ambiguous. <b style="color:#ffcc00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00e64d">2302</b> (talk) 14:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Michael Pollack
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 14%23Michael Pollack