Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 3

April 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 3, 2021.

MOS:Naming convention
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 11%23MOS:Naming convention

Matt Gaetz child sex scandal
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per discussions at AN and elsewhere  . Black Kite (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Matt Gaetz child sex scandal → Matt Gaetz sexual misconduct allegations (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matt_Gaetz_child_sex_scandal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This title is a BLP violation; it assumes the truth of serious, unproven allegations. This was the original title of an article which was moved to  Matt Gaetz sexual misconduct allegations leaving this redirect. The subject is under discussion at AN. The argument for deleting this redirect is that it is a BLP violation; the argument in favor of retaining it is that there are currently 60 or 70 pages that link to it. However, they are links from user pages or projects, plus a few from portals; I found no links from mainspace. MelanieN (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I moved the page and was unsure whether to leave a redirect. I was focussed on clearing up the AfD move and forgot to raise whether this was appropriate. I support deletion and apologise for leaving it in place. Fences  &amp;  Windows  18:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I called for keeping the article, and by the technical letter of the law, 17rs-old is a child, but let's err on the side of discretion for now. Sources generally aren't labeling this story with this terminology. Zaathras (talk) 19:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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Long Bar
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Long Bar → Bar (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_Bar&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous. Could mean a long bar (as in furniture) or else long musical phrase. Unlikely search term imo. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  17:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. This could refer to a long example of several things listed at Bar, but there's nothing specific to "long bar" listed there, and most likely someone searching for what is there would just search "bar". I don't see this redirect as helpful. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 02:38, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Long Delete as unlikely and unhelpful. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * REtarget to Longbar as a R from misspelling and use hatnotes there for any other uses -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 21:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Rather ambiguous, and the Scottish hamlet of Longbar certainly isn't the primary topic. Not convinced this is a good candidate for disambiguation, so uninhibited search is likely the best thing to do here. Hog Farm Talk 04:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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Francis Henry Fee
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hog Farm Talk 04:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Francis Henry Fee → List of mayors of Melbourne, Florida (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Henry_Fee&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The AfD decision was to delete this page, not redirect, see Articles for deletion/Francis Henry Fee Devoke  water  16:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's OK to make a redirect at the location of a deleted article, so it shouldn't be deleted on that basis, but this politician was the mayor of two locations and appears in two lists: List of mayors of Melbourne, Florida and List of mayors of Fort Pierce, Florida. This could sensibly target either and we have no way of knowing which one a searcher is looking for, so this is a bit of an WP:XY situation. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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Focative case
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hog Farm Talk 04:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Focative case → Fuck (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Focative_case&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This term does not appear in the target page, and never has. The five instances of the word in the iWeb corpus all refer to the single use in The Merry Wives of Windsor, and while there may indeed be a ribald intent there, on the surface it is a character's error for "vocative". I thus think that this redirect serves no useful purpose, and could be confusing. If it exists at all, it should point to The Merry Wives of Windsor, but I think it should be deleted. It has no history, and no talk page. ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete It was added to the article in 2002, was there when the redirect was created, and was removed in 2015 as no source was cited. Without a source to say that this is its meaning, it doesn't belong in the article so a redirect is not useful. Peter James (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Without a mention in the article, this redirect may lead to confusion, or at worse be misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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Adio (company)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 11%23Adio (company)

'Aladdin (musical)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hog Farm Talk 04:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * 'Aladdin (musical) → Aladdin (2011 musical) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%27Aladdin_(musical)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

redirect from improbable typo Yeeno   (talk) 🍁 07:10, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can understand why Aladdin might be transliterated with a leading apostrophe or similar character (there are several redirects to Aladdin), but not like this for the musical. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as an implausible search term, I agree with the above.Less Unless (talk) 11:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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Julian of Rome
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 17%23Julian of Rome

Automagic
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hog Farm Talk 04:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Automagic → Automatic (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Automagic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target besides the sister project link to Wiktionary. Why not soft redirect there directly (automagic)? Note that automagically already is a soft redirect. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Soft redirect per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete to facilitate Search, which will find encyclopedic uses, including Thor washing machine. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Soft redirect to wiktionary, where the reader can find useful information about the word. Searching is still possible if desired. —Kusma (t·c) 10:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't like the idea of prioritising content at sister projects when there is at least one apparent encyclopedic topic with the name here. Yes, there's a link to the search results from the Wiktionary redirect template, but that requires an extra step for the reader. If the redirect is deleted, then both the search results on Wikipedia, and the Wiktionary entry will be visible in a single screen, which is preferable. – Uanfala (talk) 14:29, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete to facilitate search. There are several like the already mentioned washing machine, some most probably crappy book and List of portmanteaus. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete BUY JOHN E. VAN'S AUTOMAGIC MACHINE! 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  10:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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