Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 14

August 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 14, 2021.

Falmer (Elder Scrolls)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 02:20, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Falmer (Elder Scrolls) → The Elder Scrolls (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target article. Initially pointed to a since-merged Races of The Elder Scrolls. The topic is mentioned once each at The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Dawnguard and Elves in fiction. The former is their main appearance in the games; they also appear in The Elder Scrolls Online, but don't show up in that article either. BDD (talk) 20:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Misleading redirect. Only brief mentions of this term in each of the articles listed above. CycloneYoris talk! 01:47, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:TR
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 22%23Wikipedia:TR

Wikipedia:NOTGAME
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 24%23Wikipedia:NOTGAME

Taco sauce
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 2%23Taco sauce

George Floyd lootings
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  --BDD (talk) 21:01, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * George Floyd lootings → George Floyd protests (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Don't think I've ever seen these events described as the "George Floyd lootings". Searching "george floyd lootings" on Google brings up only 32 results, the top of which are from Quora, Reddit, and other user-generated forums. Redirect was created by User:Composemi, who has a made a fair few unnecessary redirects, though if they have a source that uses these terms to describe the protests it would be worth considering. Would like to see this deleted. LivelyRatification (talk) 10:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I've tagged with R from non-neutral name. That's not an endorsement of the redirect, but a minimum requirement IMO if this is kept in any form. There's discussion of looting throughout, so a good-faith reader looking for information about looting associated with the protests could find this helpful. It does feel like feeding the trolls, though. --BDD (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a likely search; not-neutral; may imply that Mr. Floyd was the actor.  Kablammo (talk) 13:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Redirects are not required to be neutral, and it aids in searching, per WP:RFD. The exact phrase itself is relatively rare but is used (e.g. "Lana Del Ray Facing Backlash For Posting George Floyd Looting Video" and a topic tag on at least one news website), but the lootings associated with the protests are frequently mentioned in conjunction with protests (e.g. "Bellevue police arrest 23 in connection to George Floyd protest looting"). I don't think reasonable people will be confused Floyd was the looter, so long as the redirect goes to the chief protest article and not George Floyd. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:20, 6 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Definitely not neutral but could be a realistic search term. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as with George Floyd riots. Tag as non-neutral.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's unusual to describe something as "lootings", so I'm not sure how plausible a search term this actually is. It also got almost no hits till this RfD. That said, it's doing no more harm than any other non-neutral redirect, and unlike some such redirects at least is a term that an unbiased person might enter. There was looting, after all, even if it was vastly exaggerated by certain quarters of the newsmedia. However, with any non-neutral redirect we want to point readers to a place that will give them context for the term they've entered and why it is or isn't accurate, so I would suggest we refine to . Second choice keep. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 08:31, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - see WP:RNEUTRAL. Non-neutral redirects are allowed, and typically follow one of three forms, but they must be useful. This redirect has no purpose, does not follow one of the three forms listed in RNEUTRAL, and got virtually no hits until it was nominated for deletion. As the policy says "redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion" - this fits the bill. Combefere  ❯❯❯  Talk  21:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this inherently non-neutral? There were lootings during the George Floyd protests, and one might plausibly shorten "George Floyd protests lootings" to "George Floyd lootings". The one RS to use the term did so in an at least superficially neutral manner. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to which is specific to the aspect of looting related to the protests. The first sentence also has a link to the current target.  Jay (Talk) 05:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Adult Books
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 24%23Adult Books

Oh, harder daddy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Oh, harder daddy">Oh, harder daddy → Hazbin Hotel (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not described at all at the target, delete unless a duly sourced mention can be added. signed,Rosguill talk 18:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. Seems like overt vandalism. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  18:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Nonsense, no evidence why this generic phrase would be relevant at all to this hotel. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. iirc it's referencing a line spoken by a character in the first episode of the show. SWinxy (talk) 20:09, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have no idea why this is a redirect and it should definitely be deleted. Be gone with it. Historyday01 (talk) 22:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. If this were to point anywhere, ' would be the obvious target, but I don't think we generally create r from things people say during sex—' is a redlink—nor do we need to start doing so. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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OdoBan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * OdoBan → Laundry detergent (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, likely an example of a laundry detergent brand, but not a helpful redirect unless it is discussed at the target. signed,Rosguill talk 18:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Appears to be a brand of laundry detergent, but not ever going to mentioned at the target article. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete looking it up it’s not a detergent it’s a disinfectant with one of it advertised potential uses being to to add to your final rinse cycle to freshen and soften your laundry.--65.93.194.2 (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Rustic white
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:37, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Rustic white → White bread (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

When searching online, most of the results are for rustic white architecture, not bread, and it does not appear to be commonly used as a standalone phrase. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 18:19, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Eat your vegetables
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:37, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Eat your vegetables → National Fruits & Veggies Month (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Eat your veggies → National Fruits & Veggies Month (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No particular association between this rather generic parenting phrase and the specific campaign described at the target, deletion seems like the way to go. signed,Rosguill talk 17:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: As per nom. Also, "eat your vegetables" is a worldwide phrase, so we definitely shouldn't be targetting it to an article about a US-only campaign. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Kieswetter
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 21%23Kieswetter

Taliban offensive
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 29%23Taliban offensive

India at the 2022 Commonwealth Games
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)


 * India at the 2022 Commonwealth Games → 2022 Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is nothing about the Indian team on the target page - this redirect is just causing a misleading blue link in the list of participating nations. Gladryn St John (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete not mentioned at target, and at some time in a few months, will be worthy of its own article anyway. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Australia at the 2022 Commonwealth Games
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Australia at the 2022 Commonwealth Games → 2022 Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is nothing about the Australian team on the target page - this redirect is just causing a misleading blue link in the list of participating nations. Gladryn St John (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete not mentioned at target, and at some time in a few months, will be worthy of its own article anyway. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Marcel Glǎvan
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  10:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Marcel Glǎvan">Marcel Glǎvan → Marcel Glăvan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion. Misspell of the name of a living person. It has no use, it can't be used in articles because it's inaccurate and few people will specifically search this person's name with a caron (that's how it's called) in the a in the search bar instead of just typing it with no diacritics, and even if they do, the redirect Marcel Glavan will lead them to the article. Super  Ψ   Dro  21:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. If this were a discussion for Marcel Glavan I'd vote "keep" as the diacritic-less version is easier to type, but I see no point in using the wrong diacritic. J I P  &#124; Talk 23:47, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The two kinds of diacritic can easily be mistaken—I have bad eyesight and had to zoom in just to see the difference—and on a keyboard using a compose key or one with many international options it might not be obvious to someone which they've typed. Redirects are cheap, and this redirect is helpful. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 08:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I still doubt people will search this person's article with a caron instead of typing the name without diacritics out of laziness, and even if they do, the redirect Marcel Glavan will lead them to the article. I also don't think it matters if both letters are similar if one is just wrong, the Romanian language doesn't use ǎ, and I don't see how having both is actually helpful. I must also say that in around 3 years that I've been editing Romanian-related topics in Wikipedia, I've only seen ă being confused with ǎ around 3 times. I don't think there are keyboards with both letters, which could make confusion easy, although compose key are an exception. If this redirect is kept and we leave it for 30 days after the discussion, the redirect will have 0–2 views. Super   Ψ   Dro  08:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're saying that it's only marginally useful, I agree. But marginally useful is still useful, and there's no real downside to keeping it. I generally search titles with diacritics if I know to, and can easily picture myself trying to figure out how to do a breve with my compose key and winding up with a caron instead. Even if I could easily tell them apart visually, or easily remember which is which key sequence, as someone who doesn't speak Romanian I'm not sure I'd remember which is even the right one. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 08:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Out of interest, if the incorrect diacritic looking like a small v is called a caron, what is the correct diacritic looking like an arc called? J I P  &#124; Talk 17:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A breve. (For any common letter/diacritic combination, you can copy-paste one into the search bar and be redirected to an the diacritic.) -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Why do we have Marcel Glavin? Presumably that's a plausible misspelling; I just tagged it as such.
 * At 13:36, 6 October 2012 LABADIA moved page Marcel Glavan to Marcel Glǎvan (diacritics)
 * At 21:11, 6 August 2021 moved page Marcel Glǎvan to Marcel Glăvan (this is not romanian)
 * I think the fact this sat on the wrong diacritic for nearly 9 years makes this a plausible misspelling, so just tag it as such and be done with it. Sometimes I think supporting diacritics is more trouble than it's worth.
 * WP:R says if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here"). – wbm1058 (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per wbm1058. Harmless to keep, potentially harmful to delete. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as a case study of one of the three times a caron was confused with a breve!  Jay (Talk) 05:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: per WP:CHEAP, it's a valid (albeit incorrect) search term, for people like me who wouldn't know the difference between those two. It can be tagged as a "R from incorrect name" if people really want. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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