Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 15

August 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 15, 2021.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 22:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban → Doha Agreement (2020) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible title, far too wordy, potentially factually incorrect as the position of the United States is not yet known e&pi;/  💬  21:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you read the agreement, the treaty is with a group titled "The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban". (As far as I can tell, this is the actual treaty.)  Thus it is an encyclopedic name. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 21:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * okay, that's fair! Am I allowed to close this myself? e&pi;/  💬  21:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: I nominated this but I wish to withdraw nomination because I failed to do my due dilligence and check that the title was in fact how this party was referred to on the treaty e&pi;/  💬  21:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Waterflame
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Waterflame → Geometry Dash (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The section linked to has been deleted and the article no longer mentions waterflame. Even when it had, contrary to LightningComplexFire's statements Waterflame is not solely famous for Geometry Dash music - he created OSTs for 2 other notable video games and his most popular Spotify track didn't even appear on GD. ~ El D. (talk to me) 19:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: This person is clearly not solely known for his work in Geometry Dash's soundtrack (or any other soundtrack) so there is not a clear target for a redirect.  Username 6892  19:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as we don't provide useful information on him there, so having a redirect is a bit misleading. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 16:54, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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WB350F/WB351F/WB352F
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Samsung Electronics.  ✗  plicit  00:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * WB350F/WB351F/WB352F → Samsung (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is multiple Samsung models grouped together. None of these models are mentioned at the target which is the Samsung page itself. Of no use to any reader. Whpq (talk) 17:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  21:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Samsung_Electronics and tag as a r from file metadata link. This term is used in exif data, and deleting it would create broken links on Commons—see File:Universal Orlando coaster ride (Unsplash).jpg for an example. - Eureka Lott 16:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per EurekaLott, that's a reasonable case for keeping. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 16:54, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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2021 Berlin ePrix
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn (no longer a redirect)  . (non-admin closure) SSSB (talk) 11:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


 * 2021 Berlin ePrix → 2020–21 Formula E World Championship (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nominate for deletion per WP:RFD (deleting redirect to promote article creation) SSSB (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment These articles always redirect to the season's page until the ePrix has finished. I'm working on it now, should be ready in an hour or so. Not much to discuss. MSport1005 (talk) 15:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Matt Walker (baseball)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 02:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Matt Walker (baseball)">Matt Walker (baseball) → Seattle Mariners minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

According to baseball-reference, this particular Matt Walker hasn't played professionally since 2019. According to b-ref, there's currently a Matt Walker in the Tigers org, but it also lists a total of 5 Matt Walkers and 1 Matthew Walker who have played in pro baseball, none of whom meet WP:NBASE. Not sure that any one target is better than others, given the ambiguity of "Matt Walker (baseball)" Hog Farm Talk 06:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete' since we don't have any information about any of them on Wikipedia. 02:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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Andrew Ferguson (baseball)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 02:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Andrew Ferguson (baseball)">Andrew Ferguson (baseball) → Houston Astros minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure what to do with this one - according to baseball-reference, Ferguson hasn't played in the Astros system since 2019 (2020 lost due to the corona). He was with the Mets org in 2021 until June, and then went to the Independent league KC Monarchs, but is no longer with them since earlier this month. Not sure if deleting or keeping this around to see if he winds up somewhere else is the better call. Hog Farm Talk 05:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete, keeping around the redirect just in case seems needlessly costly. It can be recreated if need be. signed,Rosguill talk 02:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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Wotan
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 02:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Wotan → Der Ring des Nibelungen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect previously pointed to Odin, but was changed to the current target, a set of epic music-dramas using Odin-Wotan as a character, in May of this year. Wotan is a German-language form of the name of Odin,(see Wotan) not specifically the name of Odin-Wotan as he appears in the Wagnerian epics. (Though the form was popularized by the epics) Most of the links to this redirect seem to be referring to the god rather than the epic character. I think that it should be retargeted back to Odin, as the god is the primary topic over the epic character, and the present target Der Ring des Nibelungen is potentially surprising to people looking for information on the god. -Thespündragon 05:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Retarget back to Odin per nom, I was surprised by this recently, and I would consider myself a Wagnerian. It is far more fitting at Odin, where readers will be given a much broader view of the god and his place in culture, story and song. Well, nice to learn that Wagner was the first to use the variant 'Wotan'! In that case, the link straight to the Ring article makes sense. JohnmgKing (talk) 09:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. As explained and supported by a reliable source in the article on Odin, the name Wotan was invented by Wagner, drawing inspiration from names for Odin but creating his own variation. Wotan is treated as a character in his own right in the reception history and by various writers, from opera critics to Aleister Crowley. I wrote "for now" because the best solution would be to write a separate article about Wotan - there are definitely enough sources to support it - where all of this and more can be covered. Ffranc (talk) 11:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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Deidre DeJear
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 23%23Deidre DeJear

Field of Dreams (Laredo, Texas)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 23%23Field of Dreams (Laredo, Texas)

Nimitz Hill (geography)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 29%23Nimitz Hill (geography)

Brett Adcock
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Brett Adcock → Houston Astros minor league players (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Adcock hasn't played in the Astros org since 2019 and is now in Indy ball. There's a presumeably different Brett Adcock mentioned at Vettery, and this Adcock appears in a current roster template at Sioux City Explorers. Not sure what the best thing to do with this one is, as I'm not sure that either potential target takes priority over the other. Hog Farm Talk 05:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Same situation as with the other redirect below.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete no "Brett Adcock" appears close to notability or needing a redirect. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Brett Adcock (currently the cofounder of Archer aviation) is a serial entrepreneur that is mentioned in the news often. Suggest we keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.84.94.66 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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Mud Volcano
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Hog Farm Talk 04:33, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Mud Volcano → Mud volcano (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

On its surface this is a simple R from other capitalization but the capitalized, proper noun form refers to a thermal area and a specific thermal feature in Yellowstone National Park. How best to handle this WP:DIFFCAPS situation? Keep as is, target the section at its current target, Mud volcano, or target Geothermal areas of Yellowstone? Mdewman6 (talk) 23:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Multiple options presented by the nom but no decision yet on what action needs to be taken.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, "Mud volcano" is a big article, while we don't have an article on "Mud Volcano", nor are we likely to (it's pretty minor I guess). My guess is that more than half of readers selecting "Mud Volcano" are looking for "Mud volcano" (no way to know either way; it's my best guess that a lot of readers are not that savvy about where differently capitalized links might lead them.) So then, I'd just keep it as a redirect to the top of "Mud volcano". But then it's just clogging up the search list. So delete.


 * (For anyone who is looking for "Mud Volcano" specifically, I think that Mud volcano would be more satisfying than Geothermal areas of Yellowstone. So, how to get them there? I don't know. We could have a hatnote at "Mud volcano" saying "Mud Volcano redirects here; for the Yellowstone Park feature with that name, see below" or even "...see Mud volcano" to give an easy link. But I've never seen that done, and we don't generally do things that have never been done before because someone might object on the grounds that it's never been done, and that's just a hassle.)


 * (A way around that would be to have the hatnote at "Mud volcano" say ""Mud Volcano redirects here; for the Yellowstone Park feature with that name, see Geothermal areas of Yellowstone. That's legal, but takes the reader away from the article that has the best info to a place not as good. So, legal or best? Or punt and have no hatnote, which is worse than either option I guess. But at any rate, delete the redirect.) Herostratus (talk) 03:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. Is there a capitalized Mud Volcano at Yellowstone? Both proposed targets have mentions but are lacking references. I have added a Citations needed at Geothermal areas of Yellowstone and a Page needed at Mud volcano.  Jay (Talk) 06:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are solutions to this, but since the article about the non-capitalised thing has has a whole section about the capitalized thing, we're trying to solve a problem that isn't there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per SNSL. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:10, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix, SNSL et al. --2409:4061:2D1D:B8B8:804A:E54A:78DB:CEFE (talk) 06:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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