Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 21

August 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 21, 2021.

Kieswetter
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Craig Kieswetter. signed,Rosguill talk 02:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Kieswetter → Kiesewetter (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Craig Kieswetter is the only person with this surname, everyone else has surname Kiesewetter. Therefore, Kieswetter should redirect to him in my opinion Joseph2302 (talk) 17:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  dud  hhr  Contribs 17:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, and add hatnote to current target.  Jay (Talk) 05:50, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
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Why weren't you at elf practice
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Why weren't you at elf practice → Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Apparently a "meme" not mentioned at target. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. It strikes me as an implausible redirect. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  19:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - a somewhat well-known line from the very famous stop-motion Christmas special; harmless and points to the correct target. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 00:10, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete While it is a line from a work in question we don’t need every line to be a redirect and I don’t believe being a meme that isn’t covered in the target article is enough of a justification for this one.--65.93.194.2 (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – Just because it exists, doesn't mean we must include it in our encyclopedia. Senator2029</b> <b style="color:#00c6ff;">❮talk❯</b> 01:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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Saif
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was Move Saif (disambiguation) to Saif  .  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Saif → Arab sword (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target has changed a few times recently. This is apparently an Arabic word for sword and the prior target Scimitar includes this definition: "saif in Arabic can refer to any Middle Eastern (or North African, South Asian) sword, straight or curved". The current target (Arab sword) also says the word means any sword, but is about a particular kind of Arabian sword - so perhaps not the best target. Another option is to handle this on the dab Saif (disambiguation) <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 02:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Saif (disambiguation) and clarify there. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 09:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Move ' to ' per the above logic. No reason to have the non-(disambiguation) title redirect to the (disambiguation) one. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 10:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate at Saif as outlined above. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 07:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The redirect is correctly targeted as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep if you want to move Saif (disambiguation) to Saif you should file at WP:RM. User:力 (power~enwiki, π,  ν ) 00:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Move Saif (disambiguation) over the redirect. I might be more inclined to side with 力 if Arab sword had been the longstanding target of this redirect before the recent changes, but it was not—it pointed to Scimitar for almost 10 years. If this is indeed just the Arabic word for any sword, disambiguation seems like the best option. Note that Arab sword will need to be added to Saif (disambiguation), and perhaps Scimitar should be too. --BDD (talk) 03:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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Homestar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 28%23Homestar

Wikidata redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5 * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * <span id="Elena Litchman (Q61767356)">Elena Litchman (Q61767356) → Elena Litchman (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Esther Lewis (Q97312789)">Esther Lewis (Q97312789) → Esther Lewis (abolitionist) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Leelah Alcorn (Q18697285)">Leelah Alcorn (Q18697285) → Leelah Alcorn (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete per nom and the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 76 – while the proposed new R5-criterion was opposed on the grounds of this being more curiosity than common occurrence, there's plenty consensus and precedent for these being generally useless. If I ever move any other new pages using this number as a disambiguator to a more useful title, I'll probably just R3 the resulting redirect myself.  Angry Harpy   talk 09:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I hope questions are appropriate here as I am confused. I have no concern with deleting this redirect, but I set up the redirect as it seemed odd to have a link to Elena Litchman (Q61767356) as that is clearly not her name. Who/how would be the best way to get the original link changed to just be to Elena Litchman? If someone points me in the correct direction, I can work on this but I am unclear as to where to start. Perhaps can help? DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not totally sure I fully understand your question (i.e., where did you see the link to her name with the wikidata number appear) but for what it's worth, I've just merged item Q61767356 into item Q107349014, which is the one that's currently connected to the article (see top right). Wikidata is mainly populated by bots, so duplicate creations of items like this are prone to happen sometimes. In the discussion I linked above there's talk of a bot [...] creating a list of missing articles with links that include a Q1234567 style number, so if you saw the link in such an automatically generated list of missing articles, assuming links of this kind are still being generated, the easiest way to handle this is to just ignore them in the future. Hope this was helpful.  Angry Harpy   talk 13:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was not clear. The link to Elena Litchman (Q61767356) appears on the list of red links that is here: . Hence, my question is really how to change the red link information. Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've clicked the "Update the list now" link on that page, and it no longer links to this redirect. But that's all irrelevant, because past consensuses have established that these redirects should not exist, even if they are being linked to by a bot-generated list. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 14:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The Wikidata numbers aren't plausible search terms for these people. What we need to do is update the links in Wikidata-generated lists, rather than creating redirects with the Wikidata Q numbers. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand we have to update the Wikidata-generated lists. However, I still do not understand how to do that. - is there a place that describes that process? DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Look just under the red box at the top of the page, at the right. There's a link there called "Update the list now" if you click that a bot will update the list for you. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 22:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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