Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 27

August 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 27, 2021.

List of the 100 largest metropolitan areas in Canada
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 00:29, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * List of the 100 largest metropolitan areas in Canada → List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete It's currently linked to only 13 links; other country lists don't have "100". Catchpoke (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Logical search term. WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. The editor is simply trying to avoid observing WP:NOTBROKEN as can be seen on the editor's talk page (that was recently cleared) and Talk:Canadians. The editor seems to think if this redirect is deleted, they can point to "the correct" article. This is simply Wikipedia:Gaming the system and another example of WP:NOTHERE. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Being WP:POINT. Catchpoke (talk) 23:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I actually agree with Catchpoke's changes, it doesn't make much sense to link as "100" for a page that isn't actually a top 100 list. However, that's not a reason to delete the redirect; someone wanting the 100 largest metros in Canada will find it at the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The move is fine. Deleting a redirection and ignore NOTBROKEN is unnecessary. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On further inspection, WP:NOTBROKEN isn't applicable in this case since the list includes over 100 entries. Catchpoke (talk) 20:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm with Tavix. I think we should keep the redirect as a r from move and as a high-traffic redirect—but we should also tag it as a r from incorrect name and replace all incoming mainspace links. - Eureka Lott 01:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as a well used redirect left over from a page move. I also fail to see how this is inaccurate, since the target contains a complete list of metropolitan areas in Canada it includes a list of the "100 largest" by default, since they're just a subset of the same list. We have a number of other redirects with the same form and target, e.g. List of the 100 largest cities in the United States and List of the 100 longest-running Broadway shows. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 02:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And upon still further inspection, List_of_census_metropolitan_areas_and_agglomerations_in_Canada states "Canada had 35 CMAs and 117 CAs as of the 2016 census" so it does not include 100 entries by default.Catchpoke (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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Draft/Champion Island Games
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Draft/Champion Island Games → Talk:Doodle Champion Island Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It seems that the article Doodle Champion Island Games was moved around as follows: Draft/Champion Island Games (original title) → Talk:Champion Island Games → Champion Island Games → Doodle Champion Island Games (current title). This redirect currently points to the talk namespace, which it shouldn't do. I'm unsure if "Draft/Champion Island Games" is a plausible search term for "Doodle Champion Island Games" or if "Draft/" simply is a typo for "Draft:" and that the page originally was meant to be created in the Draft namespace. Stefan2 (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Unclear what action needs to be taken here...

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 * Delete as an inappropriate cross namespace redirect resulting from a misplaced draft. This is an extremely unlikely search term and there's no draft content left in the page history of the redirect. This should fall under speedy deletion criteria R2. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 02:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per 192. The "draft" had lasted for only 23 minutes before the creator started moving it around.  Jay (Talk) 06:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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John S. Slocum
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Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Tridentine Mass. signed,Rosguill talk 06:27, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church → Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nothing in the WP article or on the website indicates "Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church" is one of the names or a former name of the organisation. Therefore, "Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church" should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 07:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'm a bit confused here. The target article indeed doesn't use the term, but says that the Congregation was founded by Francis Schuckardt, whose article does use the term to describe what sounds like the same organization (or a closely related one), but only mentions the Congregation once, in an image caption. Is there anyone around knowledgeable on sedevacantism / traditionalist Catholicism who can elucidate this? For now my fallback position is to retarget to the Schuckardt article. (Incidentally, that article could use some love on the NPOV front. I'll try to take a swing at it presently.) -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 14:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Before being, the target mentioned that it is also known by the name Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church. If there is a reference, add it back.  Jay (Talk) 09:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Ivan.  Jay (Talk) 06:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tridentine Mass. The article explains that the Tridentine Mass is the traditional mass of the Catholic Church under the Roman Rite (a.k.a. Latin Rite), which was the most common mass from the 16th century up to the 1960s, when mass was always conducted in Latin. Sedevacantists view the modernist reforms of the Second Vatican Council (which include the local-language Mass of Paul VI) as heretical and consequently don't recognize the authority of popes after Pius XII (died 1958) and I suppose it may have been seen as attractive to name a sedevacantist church after the old form of mass. Since that's a very niche topic and also not actually the church's name, it's better to treat this as an odd lumbering search term and target the more generally relevant article. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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Valley Girl Syndrome
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  MBisanz  talk 19:08, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Valley Girl Syndrome → Valley Girl (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is this a useful redirect? The term is not mentioned at the target page, but googling suggests that it is a term that is in use, with most (but not all) of the uses referring to one or more aspects of the speech patterns described at Valley Girl (mostly the high rising terminal and/or usage of "like" as a filler word), others like seem to using it to describe a focus on presentation above content. The redirect started life as a very non-neutral description attempted article about something tangentially relevant, that content very similar to the content recently deleted at Articles for deletion/Valley Girl Syndrome (VGS) so there are no issues with deleting article content if the conclusion here is that this is not a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Perhaps someone comes upon this term but doesn't even know what a Valley Girl is. Then the redirect is useful. I knew what a Valley Girl was and the first thing I thought of was Valleyspeak, which is described in the target article. So the redirect seems fine to me. Winston (talk) 19:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't provide any usefulness.     23:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete No RS evidence of this consistently referring to any encyclopedic topic. Nardog (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also per WP:RFD. We shouldn't keep a redirect that ostensibly pathologizes a group of people just because it might be useful. Nardog (talk) 08:10, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Winston. Potentially useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs) 20:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as seems plausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 22:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. We usually don't keep redirects without mention, and no one's made a case for why this should be an exception. We shouldn't mislead readers into thinking we discuss a topic that we don't. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tamzin. A distinct way of speaking isn't necessarily a syndrome, so we shouldn't make a connection unless it's explicitly discussed as such. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Winston and WP:R, and tag with R without mention. 57 pageviews in the last 6 years, it could be one person checking it out regularly, or several people. Multiple sources talk about the exact term "Valley Girl Syndrome". Leading readers to Valley Girl would be a good start.  Jay (Talk) 19:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 10 pageviews a year isn't really that much. In my opinion anything under 200 "all-time" (i.e. since 2015) can't be distinguished from background noise of crawlers, people clicking the wrong link in the search suggestions, etc. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:26, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, we have no benchmark. I was going through this RfD from 2018 which tried to establish the reliability of pageview stats, and while it ended openly, it did say that the activity of bots and spiders do not get into pageviews.  Jay (Talk) 20:14, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Speaking from historical experience, if you try using page views to justify keeping or deleting a redirect, you'll end up driving yourself mad with all the exceptions you would have to make. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:57, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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High Expectations Asian Father
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:08, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * High Expectations Asian Father → Jeon Moo-song (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While this may indeed be the man from the meme (see, ), it is not mentioned at all at the target. Delete unless dully sourced relevant content can be added to the target. signed,Rosguill talk 18:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Unsure. According to KnowYourMeme and other sites, the man in the image meme is Jeon Moo-song. However, our article on this style of meme is image macro, which also doesn't mention this particular iteration. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 18:46, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Tiger parenting covers the general concept, and even has a section specifically on high expectations. Someone specifically looking for the meme would probably be disappointed, though. --BDD (talk) 20:47, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as neologism that isn't mentioned either in Jeon's article or the tiger parenting article. Revisit if it gets notability like Woman yelling at a cat. Similar to the phrase Asian fail AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Winston (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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David Thorne disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  as WP:CSD.  ✗  plicit  13:40, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="David Thorne disambiguation)">David Thorne disambiguation) → David Thorne (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Missing parenthesis on the qualifier, making this both an unlikely string if anyone wants to link to the DAB page and a technical error if they use it. Delete. Narky Blert (talk) 15:16, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - obviously created in error and not being used at all. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment by nom. Not being used at all, because I fixed the article which called it after it appeared in an error report. Narky Blert (talk) 19:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete — mea culpa. The sooner this embarrassment is expunged the better, and sorry to have wasted your time. Doug butler (talk)


 * Delete: This redirect contains an implausible typo. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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John & Sebastian Cabot
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:47, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="John & Sebastian Cabot">John & Sebastian Cabot → Cabot (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It seems like a poor practice to redirect the names of two relatives (in this case, a father and son) to a disambiguation page that happens to be their common surname. I would either delete this or (as a distant second chice) point it to whichever of the two was the more significant figure, for context. BD2412 T 14:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY. There is no incoming activity on this page, it's quite clearly not useful. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This term is not mentioned in the target article. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:05, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No Cabot family article or media titles that group them. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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I hope she made lotsa spaghetti
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:22, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I hope she made lotsa spaghetti → Hotel Mario (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term; quote from the game in question. Has been speedy deleted in the past alongside the other YouTube Poop cruft.  O.N.R.  (talk) 09:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete nonsense. Popcornfud (talk) 14:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Do we truly need to have redirects for every line in this game? &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. That was a heroic effort. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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Interim president
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Acting president. Not much of a consensus among the various redirect options, but after two relists I'm calling this in favor of the vote front runner given that no one appears to prefer the status quo. signed,Rosguill talk 06:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Interim president → Provisional government (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This could just as easily refer to an interim president of a corporation rather than a country, in which case the desired target would be interim management. Rather than having to add a hatnote at interim president, I think it'd just be better to delete the redirect. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Acting president, and then decide what to do there (which I think should be disambiguate). -- <b style="color:red">King of ♥</b><b style="color:red"> ♦</b><b style="color:black"> ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 02:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. As far as I know, no presidential democracy has a provision for the appointment of a temporary leader by any name. Either there is a succession process whereby the next candidate in line immediately becomes president (the United States), or the duties of the head of government are carried out by a deputy or vice-president and the position remnains vacant until a new election is held (e.g. Westminster democracies). Delete in favour of search results. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 00:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Interim (disambiguation) which has entries for both Interim government and Interim management.  Jay (Talk) 04:30, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also Oppose retarget to acting president as that DAB is specific to country presidents, and not inclusive of corporations or organizations, which is the premise of this nomination.  Jay (Talk) 09:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems to me it would be better to redirect to interim management with a hatnote to provisional government (the target of interim government), per my comment above that no governments exist that appoint an interim president by name (while almost all corporations do), but that doesn't mean a reader wouldn't search for an article on the concept. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Added interim management as a See also for Acting president. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to acting president. 2409:4061:2D1D:B8B8:804A:E54A:78DB:CEFE (talk) 06:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment if it redirects to acting president, then there should be a hatnote to Interim management for non-government leadership. Also note that Interim CEO redirects to Interim management  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Interim management and add hatnote to Acting president. I think the non-government use is more common/likely and this best covers all the bases. I'll add Provisional government to the See also at Acting president. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Space Frontier
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