Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 30

August 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 30, 2021.

Sussy (meme)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:30, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I reverted this close first because it was an inappropriate early close (per WP:SK) and then a second time as an inappropriate non-admin re-close, but have re-closed it myself per WP:SNOW. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:42, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sussy (meme) → Among Us (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-notable redirect. Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 22:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Mentioned in the article, could help people who want to know the origin of the meme. Whether it's "non-notable" should be worked out at the article itself, not here. We can revisit this if it ultimately is removed from the article. Mlb96 (talk) 22:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 13:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Mentioned in the target, gets a significant number of pageviews, and the nomination statement makes no sense - the concept of notability does not apply to redirects. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. (JayPlaysStuff &#124; talk to me &#124; What I've been up to) 17:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep the redirect, sussy has worked its way into everyday language for people my age, so keeping it as a redirect to among us for its continued popularity and cultural significance only makes sense. -GoatLordServant ☂ (Talk - Contribs) 12:17, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
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Motle
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  MBisanz  talk 19:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Motle → Motel (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not convinced that this is a plausible misspelling of Motel, a google search suggests to me that this should probably be targeting Mottle. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the discussion we were already having about hotle. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 23. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. A redirect that could plausibly be a typo of multiple targets should not exist to avoid confusion and defer to search results. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:10, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hafter
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 * The result of the discussion was Disambiguated.  [ Disambiguated by IP.] BilledMammal (talk) 01:31, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hafter → List of people in Playboy 1970–1979 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a surname of Khalifa Haftar and a Playboy model that does not have her own article. Neither one is exceedingly well-known as Haftar. Delete as confusing. MB 18:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak disambiguate (drafted) for hafting and Glossary of botanical terms. Surname entries can go in a separate section at the bottom of the dab page per WP:DABSUR. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per the draft. Moved hafting and Khalifa Haftar to the See also. They don't mention Hafter.  Jay (Talk) 16:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate: Per Jay Qwerfjkl  talk  18:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hivemind (Game show)
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Think Mark, Think
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  MBisanz  talk 19:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Think Mark, Think → Invincible (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Added info on the "Think Mark" meme at Invincible (TV series) section. GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per 's addition of information. Waddles</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 18:21, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Pre-Colombian Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 03:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Pre-Colombian Africa → History of Africa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Pre-Columbian Africa → History of Africa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

a) "Pre-Columbian" is misspelled. b) "Pre-Columbian" only applies to the New World. c) Google search only finds 18 instances of this misspelling/solecism. Macrakis (talk) 16:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - while "Pre-Colombian" is a plausible misspelling for "Pre-Columbian" (Columbus' Italian name was Cristoforo Colombo) there is not a demarcation in African history for his arrival as there is in the Americas. Europeans had been trading African slaves for a couple centuries before Columbus got involved, and so Columbus' involvement in that trade in the 15th century was not a significant development in that continent's history. We separate American history before Columbus from American history after Columbus because his arrival began a cataclysm which killed off (by some estimates) 90% of the Indigenous population within a few decades, and is probably one of the most singly genocidal events to have happened in human history, notwithstanding the deliberately violent atrocities some Europeans carried out against Indigenous Americans in the centuries since. It's also nonsense that this title redirects to a section on African prehistory, which refers to the evolution of modern humans several hundred thousand years before Columbus' time. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 18:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading per Ivan. Once we are done with this, we need to list (the correctly spelt) Pre-Columbian Africa as well. Not bundling it here as a) and c) in the nomination are about the misspelling, unless wants to reword the nomination and include this.  Jay (Talk) 16:26, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete that one too, per my rationale above. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:18, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that Pre-Columbian Africa should be deleted. It seem to be intended to mean "pre-Columbian contact between Africa and the Americas", but would anyone actually enter that term? Even if they did, the typeahead result for Pre-Columbian Africa-Americas contact theories comes up. --Macrakis (talk) 18:21, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Bundled, as this is no longer about a misspelling.  Jay (Talk) 18:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories, which is a thing I didn't know was a thing, but these titles are clearly suitable to refer to that. That article explains many different theories on human contact and migration from Africa to the Americas prior to Columbus' popularly-described "first contact", and includes links to more detail on some of the more prominent theories. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Of the large number of redirects to Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories, of which 3 have the word African and one has the word Africa-Americas, all 4 of them are indicative of the new world, whereas Pre-Columbian Africa would still be meaningless and misleading.  Jay (Talk) 16:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The only way this would make sense to me would be in the context of the Columbian exchange and its effects on Africa. For example, pre-Columbian Africa would be cultivating sorghum and millet instead of maize and cassava. To that effect, I would oppose Ivanvector's suggested retarget. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I could see scholars starting to use this term in the context Tavix describes, or maybe in a particularly in-depth exploration of what Ivanvector discusses. Absent such scholarly usage, or even notable non-scholarly usage, though, it seems misleading to maintain redirects along these lines. Thus delete both. (I'll note that I see the typo as a non-issue, though. In high school I attented a world-affairs trivia contest where the organizers, who worked for a foreign policy magazine, managed to misspell Colombia three years in a row.) -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 17:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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EMD SD35形ディーゼル機関車
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:24, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="EMD SD35形ディーゼル機関車">EMD SD35形ディーゼル機関車 → EMD SD35 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is from a Japanese related phrase to an article that has nothing to do with Japan Qwerfjkl  talk  12:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete I have no idea what this is meant to be, but it seems completely pointless. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reasons provided at [] and Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 31.--65.93.194.2 (talk) 01:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: "EMD SD35形ディーゼル機関車" translates from Japanese to "EMD SD35 type diesel locomotive" for anybody wondering. <b style="color:white">Waddles</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 18:22, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This is a useless redirect that implies that its non-Japanese subject is actually Japanese. Furthermore, I doubt that anyone would search for that phrase on this version of Wikipedia. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 23:01, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Most English Wikipedia users don't even have the keys to type out Japanese letters, so there's no point in this redirect existing. Maybe if the train was Japanese, but the EMD SD35 is not a Japanese train. (JayPlaysStuff &#124; talk to me &#124; What I've been up to) 20:01, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
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Morlach army
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  MBisanz  talk 19:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Morlach army → Morlachs (Venetian irregulars) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article this redirect goes to is about a military group of the army of the Republic of Venice composed by ethnic Morlachs. It isn't about the army of a Morlach country or a particularly Morlach independent military group, no, so calling it "Morlach army" is excessive, as if the Morlachs had never participated in another army that wasn't this one. To give some context, the Morlachs were an Eastern Romance people, related to the Romanians you could say (perhaps the same people as the Istro-Romanians). By the way, "Morlach army" gives 0 results in Google Scholar and all its results in Google are to Wikipedia mirror sites. Super  Ψ   Dro  11:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Question: I'm not going to !vote because I have no experience with this, but I wonder: does this not fall under the 'reason for not deleting' listed at WP:RFD redirecting a misnomer to a correct term? People who are not familiar with the subject or have only basic English might type in Morlach army and still arrive at the right place that will properly explain what this irregular military group was about? ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 16:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But this redirect may make an assumption to readers that this is the one and only Morlach army ever to have existed, when there could have been other groups that could have fallen under the name "Morlach army". Super   Ψ   Dro  12:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If we assume for the sake of the argument that "Morlach army" is a proper designation for the Venetian irregulars... We should definitely have either a redirect to the Venetian troops if they are the only plausible target with a Wikipedia page, and a disambiguation page if there are multiple of them. That would therefore not be a good argument for deleting the redirect.
 * This being said, the nomination argument makes me lean delete. I feel that if we need to keep the redirect, Morlachs would be a better target; but "X army → X history" really looks like a poor idea for a redirect. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastes Paracelsus
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WeatherTech
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  . Waddles has turned this into an article, with a clear consensus behind him. (non-admin closure)  -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 04:07, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * WeatherTech → IMSA SportsCar Championship (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WeatherTech is a company that makes automotive accessories. It does not make sense for its page to redirect to the page for the IMSA SportsCar Championship, a racing series WeatherTech happens to sponsor - it is confusing and unintuitive. You would not redirect the page for Xfinity to the NASCAR Xfinity Series, and the same principle applies here. Derache123 (talk) 04:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. WeatherTech is a private company with no parent. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 21:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget or create an article - I expect there's enough coverage for a stand-alone article; they did run ads on the broadcast of the last Super Bowl. If not, perhaps the CEO David MacNeil is notable.  It is kind of silly that his son Cooper MacNeil has an article because he is a race-car driver sponsored by WeatherTech. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 00:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 *  Keep or create article - Keep or create article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  06:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 *  Keep or create article  per above. I'm fairly sure it would be notable enough to have it's own article. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 15:18, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and to encourage article creation (WP:RFD, item 10). The company is notable and the current target includes no meaningful information about it. I don't see another article that would be an appropriate target. - Eureka Lott 17:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, now that we have an article at the title. Thanks to for getting it started. - Eureka Lott 20:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: I can create an article for WeatherTech. It's a very notable company, I've heard of it thousands of times, and I didn't know that it did not have an article on Wikipedia. I'm positive there's many reliable sources that could be sued to create one. <b style="color:white">Waddles</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 18:27, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: I've drafted a short article at WeatherTech. I plan to add more content and references, but anyone can feel free to help contribute if they want. <b style="color:white">Waddles</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b>
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DigiBlast
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Wikipedia:FH
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * FH → Wikipedia:Fordham (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

One final nomination, I don't believe this project page, that contains details about Wikipedia workshops at Fordham University that occurred several years ago, warrants a redirect. I doubt that any reader will be looking for this internal information page or use a redirect to locate it. Not every page needs a redirect especially in project space. There is a similar situation with KTW. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not including the shortcut and links related to this RfD the target page has a total of 3 incoming links. A page with so few links does not require a shortcut redirect. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As the creator of the redirect, I personally hope to found the shortcut to other positions. You can try to search for it and if you found a better target, you can let this shortcut redirect to there.--Here's 28 and did I make a mess? 13:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - absent any indication that this would be better off as a shortcut to a different target, it's harmless and there's no pressing need to delete it. If there is a more suitable target, anyone can retarget it there. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:35, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Q28
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per criterion WP:G7 by . Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Q28 → User:Q28 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Individual editors don't need redirects from project space to their user account page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:57, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a useful redirect. The chance of someone confusing Wikipedia space with user space is miniscule, and this editors username is potentially confused with wikidata properties. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:MZ
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * MZ → Wikipedia:WikiProject Mozambique (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This WikiProject has an existing abbreviation (WP:MOZ) and doesn't really need another. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I didn't think to make this a multiple deletion request but similar situation exists for KG, KH and other WikiProjects. And this editor recently created 11 separate redirects for one section of Redirect. Sorry for the untidiness of these proposals. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's harmless. Shouldn't have been created, but bringing it to RfD makes hassle out of something that doesn't deserve it. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per J947. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:KI
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * KI → Wikipedia:WikiProject Kiribati (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Similar to Equatorial Guinea, this redirect was created and then added to the WIkiProject as an abbreviation. I think this is unnecessary for little visited WikiProjects like this one. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:GQ
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List of product failures
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * List of product failures → Failure (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No list at the target. Was merged in 2003 into an article which would eventually be renamed to List of miscellaneous commercial failures, and then deleted by AfD in 2007. This redirect survived because a bot corrected a double-redirect to Flop, and then changed the target to its current location. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is no list of product failures in the target article, and it's too broad a target for such a specific search term. I think in this case search results do a better job. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and above. Especially since it seems a bit silly to redirect from a list of a specific type of failures, to an article about failures in general. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 15:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect has little to do with its target. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 23:04, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - the article that was at this title (in 2003!) which supposedly was merged to List of major flops (also deleted at AfD in 2007) suffered from the same problems which led to the deletion of List of miscellaneous commercial failures. Interesting that this article was written at the tail end of the early 2000s dot-com failures but the list was never about that. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. Qwerfjkl  talk  18:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Pearl shell
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Nacre.  czar  13:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Pearl shell → Margaritiferidae (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm wondering if this redirect needs to retargeted to either Nacre or the Pearling DAB page. There seems to be quite a lot of confusion on the pages referring to pearling too (harvesting pearls vs shells), so I am going to try to have a look at that too. But this target seems a bit specific for "Pearl shell" (also redirected as one word). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Pearlshell → Margaritiferidae (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * I've added . -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 10:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Webster's defines pearl shell as a nacreous or pearl-bearing shell : PEARL OYSTER. Since a number of kinds of bivalve can create pearls (including the current target), I say retarget to Bivalve shell, which discusses the formation of pearls. A hatnote can be added there pointing to nacre. We'd lose any link to the current target in the process, but I'm not sure that's actually a problem. If it is, a more complex hatnote can be devised, I suppose; or a link there can be added to the body of the article. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One final relist, since there seems to be consensus that the current target is not appropriate, but there's no consensus on what to do with this. Is Bivalve shell or Pearl preferable?
 * Retarget both, agree Margaritiferidae is too specific. Per the dict def quoted above, a pearl shell is a pearl-producing shell (pearl oyster). Bivalve shell mentions mother of pearl, the material from which pearls are formed. But it doesn't talk about pearls at all. I suggest Pearl is better since it is about pearls and discusses their formation in the shell. Also note that pearl oyster is a redirect to a saltwater genus, but that is too specific also for pearl shell. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 00:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * The problem with Pearl is that it says "Pearls are formed inside the shell of certain mollusks...", implying the round form. I would prefer the target to be nacre, which is the pearly substance, or (probably better) the DAB page Pearling. In nearly all of the articles I have used referring to pearling or pearl shell, I've had to dig further to find the most appropriate link. The articles I've worked on relate to obtaining or trading in pearl shells and pearls, mostly northern Australia and Torres Strait Islands. Pearl hunting (which perhaps should be moved to Pearling, as a better title?) refers to both the round pearls and pearl shell, as does Pearling in Western Australia. A quick google, and the abalone and nacre articles, suggest that it's not only bivalve shells that have nacre that is used for decorative purposes. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to per MB. Both nacre and mother-of-pearl are mentioned at the start of that section. I did not understand the nom's concern with implying the round form.  Jay (Talk) 16:57, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem with that target is that it is all about the round objects that are commonly known as pearls, which are formed inside a sac within the creature within the shell (usually oysters or mussels). Pearl shell refers to the type of shell which has a pearly finish inside (also formed by/with the same substance, nacre/mother-of-pearl), which can be made into all kinds of decorative objects, having a curved but flattish shape. Pearling and pearl hunting articles refer to the harvesting of and trading in both of these, which is what leads to the confusion in linking. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So what I get is: the iridescent shell is sought after even though it may or may not have a rounded pearl inside. If Mother of pearl (which redirects to nacre) is what Pearl shell refers to in the pearling industry, and meant for human consumption, then Retarget to nacre. Biologically, gives information about the pearl's shell, and I assume the reader wouldn't need a disambig page or hatnote to go to the Pearl page to know more about the shell. Keep Pearlshell (without the space) as in Wikipedia at least, I see the term refer to only the organism.  Jay (Talk) 07:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Nacre. This seems the most likely subject being sought by a reader using the terms. --BDD (talk) 18:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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List of highways numbered 28-29 Link
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * List of highways numbered 28-29 Link → U.S. Route 22 in New Jersey (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Useless redirect, their cannot be a list of highways with this name if only one has had this name so far. Hog Farm Talk 02:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unlikely search term.  Dough   4872   02:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete—unneeded and not useful.  Imzadi 1979  →   12:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect falsely implies that there are more roads that have that name. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 23:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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List of highways numbered S1A
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * List of highways numbered S1A → New Jersey Route 67 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As there appears to only have been one highway named S1A that I can find evidence, this redirect is useless, as there cannot be a list. Hog Farm Talk 02:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unlikely search term.  Dough   4872   02:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete—unneeded and not useful.  Imzadi 1979  →   12:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Again, this redirect falsely implies there are more roads that have that name. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 23:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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