Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 21

December 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 21, 2021.

Joel Dean
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . There is no consensus to make the economist the primary.  I suggest you start an RM. IP65's point about the page history is reasonable, but there is no consensus to restore, so I'm moving the page to , redirecting that to Dean & Deluca, and copy-pasting Jay's draft DAB back to Joel Dean with edit-summary attribution. IP65, if you want to un-BLAR, that's your right. (non-admin closure)  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 08:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Joel Dean → Dean & DeLuca (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page used to be a biography of the founder of Dean & Deluca. It was redirected to that page in 2020 by (a decision that's a little questionable, given that he had an NYT obit—how thorough was your WP:BEFORE?), but even if his standalone biography is restored, it's unlikely to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over Joel Dean (economist), one of the founders of business economics. Also, when the page was redirected, the hatnotes were not added to Dean & Deluca, so someone who searches for Joel Dean looking for the economist is currently in trouble. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: A draft DAB would be nice. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate since both the D&DL guy and the economist have notability. Chumpih. (talk) 19:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, including Joel Deane. And,, WP:BEFORE is a policy about deletion, not redirection; you could just have reverted the redirect if you wanted. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have attempted a draft at the page. Create a Joel Dean (disambiguation) and make the economist the primary, Move Joel Dean (economist) to Joel Dean. Jay (talk) 13:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Disambiguate - Disambiguate, including Joel Deane. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename the edit history to Joel Dean (Dean & Deluca) and restore per WP:BLAR and open a merger discussion on the talk page, and disambiguate Joel Dean to the two Deans and other Deane. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 20:19, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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Template:R from other punctuation
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Template:R from alternative spelling. wbm1058 (talk) 19:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Template:R from other punctuation → Template:R from modification (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should target Template:R from alternative spelling, where Template:R from alternative punctuation currently targets. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Argument makes a lot of sense. Also, I love discussing an R shell at RfD. It feels quite meta. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 23:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Spelling is not punctuation, the scope of spelling should be limited to A–Z. wbm1058 (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Paine Ellsworth has done a lot of work with these, and might have some valuable insight. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 07:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Thank you very much, ! don't know how helpful I can be judging by the histories of the two redirects, "other" and "alternative" punctuation. Others have discussed this situation, e.g. this '08 RfD. Agree that punctuation is not same as spelling; however, with no better targets out there, these two should aim at either R from modification or the more specific R from alternative spelling. Whichever editors decide, the Rcat shell should have an See also R from alternative (or other) punctuation. hatnote placed on both, each pointing to the other redirect(s). Hopefully that will help editors maintain consistency among the similar rcat template shortcuts. Also see R from punctuation.  P.I. Ellsworth &numsp;- ed.  put'r there 09:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Retarget - Retarget per nom. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Meh, I guess this ship already sailed with Template:R from incorrect punctuation. I guess that's considered to be a typographical error. These non-actionable templates are less critical. wbm1058 (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Draft:2020
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Chega
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) free Hong Kong 10:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Chega → Chega (political party) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect initially went to Chega, Iran, a village of under 150 people. It now, rather confusingly, redirects to Chega (political party). Searching on Google Books for "Chega Andre Ventura" (the founder and leader of the party) there are books specifically on the party or as part of a wider treatise on nationalism. "Chega Iran" in Google Books mostly lists one-off mentions in gazettes. However, a third use of the name was a 2,500-page official report by the Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor, a very serious and notable topic. In my opinion, "Chega" should be a disambig, or a link to the Timorese commission, no preference. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Revert back to Chega, Iran per nominator. Aasim (talk) 21:07, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Whether Chega (political party) needs to be moved over this title or the base title becoming a disambiguation page is another question, which can be discussed elsewhere. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 22:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate as there is recency bias for the Portugal political party created in 2019. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Disambiguate - Disambiguate per AngusWOOF. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate There's also a song by Gaia Gozzi -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Jenshin Impact
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Jenshin Impact → Genshin Impact (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

For one, this spelling is the wrong pronunciation. Genshin is pronounced with a hard G (as in groceries). For another, this typo seems like a completely implausible spelling. In the year that I have played Genshin, I have never heard anyone try pronouncing it like this title. Google Trends data also shows that Jenshin is almost never searched. The Genshin being pronounced like a J is lit a meme after this happened on the Game Awards. But nonetheless this is not at all a plausible search term. Aasim (talk) 18:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I suppose one could make an argument that G and J are two keys apart on a QWERTY layout, but it seems highly unlikely that anyone would genuinely search for "Jenshin Impact", and not as a joke. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not a spelling variant. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlikely search term, while someone might confuse it when saying it out loud, Wikipedia is not in the business of helping phonically challenged users.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 03:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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WrestleMania XXXVI
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Wrestlemania 36.  Jay (talk) 22:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC)


 * WrestleMania XXXVI → WrestleMania 32 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

XXXVI is 36, not 32, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 18:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: Per WP:R3 as this is an implausible typo from a recently created redirect (like a redirect created a month ago, that is pretty recent). Aasim (talk) 18:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If it belongs anywhere it would be Wrestlemania 36 though I’m not sure it’s needed since while some of the previous events have used Roman numerals the last on to do so was in 2014.--67.70.101.198 (talk) 04:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete looks like a mistake on the originating editor's part, not an attempt to Romanize everything above 30 given the other edits surrounding it. Not needed. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WrestleMania 36. Even if Roman numerals are not used for this specific event, the fact that they have been used in the past may lead someone to assume that all events are in Roman numerals, thus making this a plausible search term. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:47, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the 36th one -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 20:22, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WrestleMania 36 per Tavix. We already mentioned the target here. 2405:9800:BA31:F6:2D51:E764:39B6:55EA (talk) 08:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:SLOP
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Armenians
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Kiev compromise
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion . -- Aervanath (talk) 09:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Kiev compromise → Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete not used, has no relation to language in Ukraine. Heanor (talk) 13:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have just notified of this RfD at the talk pages of the creator and the target. Is the phenomenon described here the Kiev compromise the creator intended to capture? Jay (talk) 21:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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Church of Martyrs
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to disambiguation page  . As there seems to be no primary topic, the current redirect at Church of the Martyrs will be deleted and the disambiguation page moved to that title. -- Aervanath (talk) 09:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Church of Martyrs → Assyrian Church of the East (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Church of the Martyrs → Melitians (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget first or second (probably first). But I can hardly find anything even after extensive googling using "Church of Martyrs". --Northumber (talk) 20:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 08:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There seems to be agreement for the second. The first needs more discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 09:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete vague at best as religious leaders can call their congregation as a church of martyrs like how Pope Francis did for the Catholic church. I think the best fit for the Church of Martyrs would be the Coptic Orthodox Church due the historical and current persecution they face. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There exists also DAB: Church of the Martyrs (disambiguation). --Northumber (talk) 09:11, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Second redirect can point at the dab. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:46, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to the disambiguation page -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 03:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. --2405:201:9002:E06A:D86A:DA7F:4918:86BB (talk) 13:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Lenticel is right that the first term is vague, but the DAB adequately serves to disambiguate it. If someone was looking for churches and martyrs in general, a "See also" link to Martyrdom in Christianity can be added at the end. Move DAB to Church of the Martyrs; retarget other one there. To be clear, @closer: This is substantially the same thing as the retarget both !votes. It's just foreseeing what would happen immediately after that, which is the DAB being reversed per WP:MALPLACED. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 08:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Madhulika Rawat
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Madhulika Rawat → Bipin Rawat (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redundant (completelyi non-notable wife of a famous person) User:Loginnigol 00:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as R from spouse and remove circular wikilink from target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * She died along with her husband in the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash which was a previous (and more appropriate) target of the redirect. But first I would suggest Restore and discuss via AfD. Jay (talk) 10:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as R from spouse. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - The wife of CDS Rawat becomes well known after the helicopter crash in Coonoor. --2405:201:9002:E06A:5875:CF74:258A:C7CF (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Chembox entry
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Aervanath (talk) 09:15, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Template:Chembox entry → Template:Chembox (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete. Unused by redesign & deprecation (2015). As a Chembox subtemplate, it would only be called from the main template i.e., no public calls. Therefor, [not] called from main template only. Current target is nonsense (Null sink/error trigger). No use for distracting variant names in the subtemplate list. From maintaining main Chembox, I'd say technical and non-controversial cleanup only. -DePiep (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * request: page is protected, so please see the editrequest at (no redirect) Template talk:Chembox entry. (regular ER fails b/c redirect issues). -DePiep (talk) 19:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've tagged the redirect. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 02:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: Sound reasoning in the nom. If the only way to call it via another template that does not do so (since it uses the target), then this will not break anything. -- 2pou (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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Enthusiast
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Schools inspector
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Net carbs
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