Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 27

December 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 27, 2021.

Isopentyl
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Pentyl group.  ✗  plicit  00:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Isopentyl → Isopentane (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Neopentyl → Neopentane (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to pentyl group, similarly to how and the other isomers redirect too butyl group. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Pentyl per nom, where they are mentioned and defined. Mdewman6 (talk) 14:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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MoS4
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 4%23MoS4

Template:R from formula
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 8%23Template:R from formula

Communist holocaust
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 11%23Communist holocaust

Department of Internal Affairs
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 4%23Department of Internal Affairs

Memes about Greta Thunberg
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:10, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Memes about Greta Thunberg → Greta Thunberg (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is a lot of information in this article about the public response to Thunberg but there is no mention of "memes" about her on this encyclopedia. This may be a misleading redirect. I'm sure there are other words that better capture the response in art, politics and social media. Liz Read! Talk! 17:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Relisting comment: I don't see this related to CSD R2 which is for cross-namespace. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 17:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's left over from a move – see the history of . I should have caught it, but now I think we could just apply WP:CSD? –&#8239;Joe (talk) 19:49, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's fine with me, I just don't want to take action on a page I nominated for deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, useless redirect. Wikipedia is not Google Search, and in any case the title would be misleading as the redirect won't lead to memes. — kashmīrī  TALK  22:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete since stats show that practically nobody is using this as a search term, and also per nom. and per .   Chumpih. (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unnecessary and WP is not the place to search for BLP-related memes, — Paleo Neonate  – 20:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hero (Dragon Quest)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . As the discussion revealed that the character is actually named Hero, and this fact was added to the target.  Jay (talk) 04:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hero (Dragon Quest) → Dragon Quest (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. The redirect is in Category:Super Smash Bros. fighters but not in Template:Super Smash Bros. which suggests a lack of notability. There are no incoming links. The target page describes the player-protagonist as a hero character, but this does not indicate any need or use for a redirect. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, it gets a decent amount of views each month (around 20 to 30) (as seen here ), also redirects are cheap and, due to Super Smash Bros., it is a valid search term. (Oinkers42) (talk) 01:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete There is a "hero" in most works of fiction, so having it as a disambiguated redirect is unnecessary and useless.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment "Hero" is the default character name for the protagonist character, and is used as such in the adapted fiction based on this videogame property -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 19:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's clear that it stands for the noun, hero. Being a generic hero that can be found in nearly any work of fantasy, it would be WP:PANDORA to give a Hero (Insert franchise here) to any fiction that contains a hero. This is distinct from a character like Hiro Protagonist, where characters literally remark on his name. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me. The character's name is literally "Hero" in the adapted fiction from the videogame franchise. The character class is the character's name, when it comes to some of the comics etc based on the videogame. Indeed, Japanese manga and light novels using a generic D&D setting many times have the protagonist character literally named "Hero", and other characters refer to the protagonist as "Hero" (proper noun subject), they lack any other name, this being their only personal name. Definitely a lack of imagination there. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 02:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, if that is really the case then Keep as it is indeed the name of the main character and has a reason to be there. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:05, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sorry, but I find it ludicrous that this redirect entry is even brought up for deletion. We could certainly discuss the appropriate retarget: whether it should be redirected to the main Dragon Quest page to refer to the player character as a literal "Hero" trope the series keep leaning on since its inception, or if it should be retargeted for the "Characters of Super Smash Bros" page to refer to a specific incarnation of that player character. But per the arguments by Oinkers and IP editor, it is a recognizable feature of two very notable franchises. Haleth (talk) 03:31, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad someone found it laughable, but none of the above was clear from the article. I have now inserted a mention of this in the lead section of Dragon Quest. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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Nef (ship)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 11%23Nef (ship)

Wikipedia:NOU
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 * The result of the discussion was refine to Username policy  - Eureka Lott 18:11, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * NOU → Wikipedia:Username policy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear association with current target (previously targeted the now-redirect No offensive usernames), excluding shortcut lists this has been used exactly once to refer to this page in 2003. I think it's safe to say no one is using this anymore. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 18:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  10:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It's getting page views, over 100 last year, even if it isn't used in internal links. Unless you are proposing to repurpose it for some other page there is no benefit to deletion and it might inconvenience some people. Thryduulf (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm also fine with the suggestion below to refine to a specific section. Thryduulf (talk) 20:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Username policy, likely better to aim at a specific section about what not to use as a username (and also interpreted by me as "no-username"). 172.112.210.32 (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Refine to Username policy as a more specific section. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 15:15, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Username policy since the page is indeed getting a couple of views per week. Chumpih. (talk) 09:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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Estancia Grande
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 3%23Estancia Grande

Third Republic of Texas
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 3%23Third Republic of Texas

Building control
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Building control → Building code (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Building control may suggest a Building control body, perhaps a Building code (per current), and also Building automation / Building management system. Suggest disambiguate. Chumpih. (talk) 06:59, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Disambig per nom, Building automation was my first thought. Thryduulf (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have attempted a disambig draft at the redirect. Jay (talk) 04:01, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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List of Wikiprojects
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * List of Wikiprojects → Wikipedia:WikiProject (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Inappropriate cross-namespace redirect. the target page doesn't even have a list of wikiprojects. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for the heads up, I believe I fixed it. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:40, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CRN Keep reason 4 Otherwise the newbie users for whom these redirects are useful would be left up the creek. In most cases, users who type such names in the search box expect to be taken to its other-namespace target. New users can't be expected to know to add "WP:" to their search. This seems to be an appropriate CNR for people trying to get involved with wikiprojects since the target has been corrected by . snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 15:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep as retargetted. While I am very much a believer in retaining cross-namespace redirects (I believe Snoon1205 intended to link there, (WP:CNR), rather than the closure requests noticeboard) that aid very new users finding the project-space pages they are clearly looking for, the question is whether a list of wikiprojects is something someone who has not yet learned about namespaces would be looking for? Thinking back to the before times when I was involved in training such new users, Wikiprojects are things that sometimes came up in discussion so it is quite likely to be searched for, and while I did always mention namespaces it is not realistic to expect everyone to remember everything perfectly. Thryduulf (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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Alcatraz
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Alcatraz → Alcatraz Island (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was created in 2003, as it previously held an article created in 2002 that is now at Alcatraz Island. The prison article was only created in 2012, and it appears that nobody has discussed this redirect since then or ever. I believe the term "Alcatraz" predominantly refers to the prison to the general public, not the island or another entity. I suggest moving the redirect target from Alcatraz Island to Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary. ɱ (talk) 02:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep as is. The prison is the most famous part, sure, but when people tour "Alcatraz", they get the whole history of the island.  Think the broader topic is the safer redirect here.  SnowFire (talk) 13:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep it as is per SnowFire. The hatnote at the top should suffice for people looking for the prison. Regards, SONIC   678  15:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as is. Retargeting long-standing redirects like this usually create a slew of problems that need fixing and there is no obvious major benefit to a change. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 16:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate if the prison is the most famous, and the one that is likely, then it should not target the island. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Disambiguating would mean making it an extra click to get to any article, while keeping and retargeting mean only making it an extra click for people looking for the other thing. I concur with previous commenters that in a case like this it makes sense to target the broader topic. There are some cases where a narrow topic becomes so well-known that it claims the ambiguous term; for instance,  redirects to Watergate scandal rather than Watergate complex. But here, as SnowFire notes, the island and the prison are discussed together frequently. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 02:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . This page has been merged so the history is required to be kept per WP:ATTREQ.  The existence of a draft is neither here nor there, but I note that the draft has not even been submitted for review yet. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 16:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild → Ice Age (franchise) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete redirect ZX2006XZ (talk) 00:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Nominator has failed to provide any reasoning for deleting this redirect. This was also previously an article, so it should be kept for attribution purposes. N.b., I went ahead and fixed this nomination which was malformed. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete . The draft formed on behalf of the article's deletion has multiple reliable sources and coverage is beginning to be notable.ZX2006XZ (talk) 02:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC) duplicate vote struck <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 16:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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