Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 14

July 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 14, 2021.

Abandoned building
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Abandonment (legal).  MBisanz  talk 00:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Abandoned building → Urban decay (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Abandoned buildings → Urban decay (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Abandoned buildings are not only associated with urban decay, many are in rural areas. The most similar topic I can find an article for is ruins. Peter James (talk) 23:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Vacancy redirects to Occupancy, so that's a potential target, but I think a better choice would be to retarget these to Abandonment (legal), which addresses the topic. We could tag abandoned buildings as a r with possibilities. - Eureka Lott 03:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property which was the target for #1 added by, but was removed in a month by . I don't see how the current target is better than the one it replaced.  Jay (Talk) 16:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambig #1 to urban decay, ruins, abandonment (legal), occupancy, etc. Too broad to redirect to an existing page.
 * Soft redirect #2 to Category:Abandoned buildings and structures.  Jay (Talk) 05:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Occupancy (via Vacancy) as per Eureka. - The article discusses abandoned buildings (if only briefly). I guess this would be better than deletion, but deleting would be my second option, as there is no really suitable target I am aware of. I would specifically oppose redirecting to Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property, because that is a distinct topic - you cannot lose or mislay a building, and most abandoned buildings are not abandoned in the sense of abandoned personal property (there is generally still an owner with a legal ownership interest who intends to sell or otherwise get value out of the property later).  ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  17:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 00:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Academy 360 Cougars
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 26%23Academy 360 Cougars

Red Dead 2
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Red Dead.  MBisanz  talk 00:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Red Dead 2 → Red Dead Redemption (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retarget to Red Dead Redemption 2. There seem to be a small edit war months ago disputing the target. While technically Red Dead Redemption is the second entry in the Red Dead series, Red Dead Redemption 2 is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "Red Dead 2", evidenced by Google search results. I also have seen gaming media used this term to refer to RDR2. enjoyer -- talk 10:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget per nom. My google searches give the same results as theirs. Thryduulf (talk) 12:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom – Muboshgu (talk) 15:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Red Dead, which gives the full timeline. I think going this route is the least confusing option overall. RDR2 is probably the current primary topic, but before RDR2 was developed, this would unambiguously refer to the second overall entry. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I doubt that's true. Before RDR2 existed, people simply refer to Red Dead Redemption as RDR, not "Red Dead 2". enjoyer -- talk 01:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Red Dead per Tavix. I agree a good case can be made that RDR2 is the primary topic here, but I am leaning toward using the games section as a de facto disambiguation page and not trying to predict which game is intended by searching this term. In any case, the current target is unsatisfactory and definitely should be retargeted elsewhere. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Participants are still split between two different targets.
 * Retarget per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:36, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Red_Dead per above. It's probably true that most people would be referring to RDR2; but, technically, that's the third Red Dead game. So, our redirect would technically be incorrect, which is not preferable. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  19:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Gulte
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 21%23Gulte

LiFe
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * LiFe → Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Change redirect to Life (disambiguation). LiFe has nothing to do with LiFePo4 and is not used commonly - if anywhere - to refer to the latter. Lithium iron is a rare compound that doesn't warrant its own page. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 11:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - this seems like it could equally represent an omission error in lithium iron phosphate battery and a mishearing/misspelling in lithium-ion battery, based on Google. This would not be an appropriate redirect to "life" (per WP:SMALLDETAILS) so search results are better. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ivanvector's squirrel. Polyamorph (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
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Agrae
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Agryle with hatnote. --BDD (talk) 17:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Agrae → Athens (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Agrae was apparently "a district within ancient Attica, likely populated by or associated with the Agryle" (see Talk:Athens). Agrae is not mentioned at Athens or Attica; Agryle mentions it, but doesn't have any substantial or sourced information about it. There also exists Agrae (Pisidia), which is about an unrelated ancient place. Lennart97 (talk) 10:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Not clear from this nomination what action is proposed, but on the Attica talk page redirection is under discussion. It could probably be a stub article along the lines of, "Agrae was a district within ancient Attica, likely populated by or associated with the Agryle", or redirected to Agryle, since I don't see any articles about districts of Attica; it's not identified as a deme, so it doesn't seem to fit on the page listing demes.  Or alternatively, make this the title for the one in Pisidia, and use a hatnote for people searching for it in connection with Attica or the Agryle.  P Aculeius (talk) 14:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I failed to make clear that I was not proposing any particular action, merely asking for ideas. Based on your comment I think giving the Pisidia town the base title makes the most sense, as indeed it doesn't currently seem like the Attica district is deserving of its own article. Lennart97 (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I could not find any discussion happening at the Attica talk page.  Jay (Talk) 06:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agrai was the part of Athens to the southeast of the Acropolis, over the Ilissos river. It included the Panathenaic Stadium, a sanctuary to Artemis Agrotera, and the tomb of Herodes Atticus. The deme Agryle Hypenerthen is in the same area, but I don't think we know what the relationship between location and deme was. (RE article here, from 1893) It's now well inside the city of Athens, so a redirect to there rather than Attica makes sense, but an actual article would be better. In first instance, we could just paste in the RE article, since it's now public domain. Furius (talk) 23:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * As the creator of the redirect, I originally created this as I was reading some reference material (I believe it was an article in the Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology in which the writer said so and so was from "Agrae" with no further clarification and I had no idea what that meant, so I found that it was a district in Attica. It didn't seem to merit its own article, and it didn't seem quite relevant enough for inclusion in the Athens article either. So even though it wasn't as specific as I would have liked, I think it would have generally done the right thing for someone in my situation: pointed you to the closest "idea" that answers the question "what is 'Agrae'". As far as other suggestions, I suppose if we believe the current redirect is insufficient, we could redirect to Agryle, and add a little more clarification. This would help the reader in the specific but not give broader context; for that they would still have to go to Athens anyway. And as mentioned above, it's not really clear what relationship the deme even has to the district, so redirecting to Agryle really just makes the information more discoverable, not necessarily more correct. Ford MF (talk) 17:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 09:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agrae can be a DAB once we have Agrae (Athens) or something similar to disambiguate it from Agrae (Pisidia). For now, retarget to Agryle per Ford, and use the same hatnote from current target.  Jay (Talk) 06:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
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New York NOW
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 21%23New York NOW

サンフランシスコ国際空港
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 01:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="サンフランシスコ国際空港">サンフランシスコ国際空港 → San Francisco International Airport (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Japanese name of the airport is not mentioned at the target article. Notwithstanding the historically significant Japanese American population of the region, there does not seem to be any encyclopedic reason to add the Japanese name at the target article either. See also the arguments made at last week's RfD on the Chinese name. (Both the Japanese and the Chinese redirects were created by an editor who was subsequently blocked for sockpuppetry. However, as neither the sockmaster nor other socks were blocked at the time this redirect was created, it is ineligible for WP:CSD.) 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reason we deleted the Chinese redirect: San Francisco may have a large Japanese-speaking population, but there is no connection between the Japanese language and the San Francisco airport specifically. Mlb96 (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Polyamorph (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Redirects in languages other than English. As noted above, this was just discussed in detail re the Chinese redirect. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  19:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 19:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I don’t see any substantial difference between this and the deleted Chinese language redirect that would justify keeping this.--70.24.249.16 (talk) 04:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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